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    (Original post by Don Pedro K.)
    I personally don't agree with the death penalty. The main reason is that it obviously has no effect: murder/rape etc. happens every day and will sadly continue to happen every day it seems despite death sentences having been given to people for committing these exact crimes. In fact, I think a life long sentence is more effective, as people have to live with what they have done; they don't get an easy escape (death). Yes, there is the pain that comes with it, but will the death of the criminal bring back the victim?

    No.
    Will a 25yr prison sentence bring back the victim?
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    (Original post by fairytalecolours)
    we should rly take a long hard look at the concepts of innocence and evil. no human is absolutely innocent and no human is absolutely evil. when we start shining the 'judgement light' around we'll see lots of dirty hands, especially from those who condone capital punishment or any other form of violence. under the right circumstances ANY ONE OF US could commit atrocious acts. there are so many factors that contribute to a human being's experience of themselves.

    those of us who murder or commit any other violent act have an acute level of accumulated emotional pain. the more emotional we are, the less rational we are = the more mentally ill/imbalanced we are. there are degrees of mental illness/imbalance in all of us. ego is inseparable from mental illness/imbalance. all of us are mentally ill/imbalanced to some extent because all of us have an ego/mind to some degree.

    so yeah stop it
    A serial murderer who shows no remorse for his/her actions is evil. Anyone can commit a horrendous crime yes, but not everyone does because we have morals, unlike some people.

    Everyone has an element of emotional pain, that doesn't mean we all go outside murdering innocent people. Mental illness is not an excuse for horrific crimes like that. I say the insane should still be locked up together for as long as a 'sane' offender but perhaps receive some type of therapy/counselling
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    (Original post by saxsan4)
    yes or no? and why

    i think for the most serious rapists, murders and paedophiles and special crimes which are truly revolting, we should bring it back
    but ONLY on the most serious cases such as the woman who flushed her new born baby down the toilet. The killer of Le-Rigby as examples
    I think we should definitely bring it back. Nobody is afraid of prison anymore. when I watch documentaries about offenders who have committed capital murder or several accounts of child abuse, they seem somewhat happy in jail. They're surrounded by the company of others, they get food, showers, clothes, bed and even education. Ive also seen some people with phones and recording another offender getting beaten up and they're all laughing in the background. I even watched one guy baking a cake -__- How does that deter them from reoffending? We need tougher prison sentences with a very low but satisfactory level of comfort for less serious criminals

    serial offenders who commit the most horrendous crimes should be given the death penalty, but not immediately. So I watched a doc about a guy on death row for four accounts of murder but he had no idea of the date he'd be executed and he was terrified of the 'not knowing'. Could vary from days to years. That's what should happen and the victims families should be allowed to sit in and watch the execution from behind a screen. Yep
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    A serial murderer who shows no remorse for his/her actions is evil. Anyone can commit a horrendous crime yes, but not everyone does because we have morals, unlike some people.

    Everyone has an element of emotional pain, that doesn't mean we all go outside murdering innocent people. Mental illness is not an excuse for horrific crimes like that. I say the insane should still be locked up together for as long as a 'sane' offender but perhaps receive some type of therapy/counselling
    the more accumulated emotional pain someone has the more likely they are to act violently towards another. violence comes in many forms. a violent thought is the start of a violent action and if left unchecked can lead to consequences.

    those who 'have no morals' were most likely extensively abused as children or in adolescence. kids who grow up in a stable home environment with a lot of love and care will almost certainly not become murderers. furthermore, some societies have higher murder rates than others. this also indicates that environment plays a huge part in whether or not someone is 'evil'.

    evil is an extremely unethical concept that negates empathy. when we call someone else evil, we fail to remember that we don't know this person's background or life experiences. we cannot know what someone else has gone through because we are not them. it's extremely easy to sit on the outside and label someone as evil without having all the information; our egos love to do that.

    as a teen i experienced severe depression and anxiety and drugs pushed me to a point where i had a violent breakdown and threatened to kill people. i didn't physically assault anyone but i did shout a lot and smashed a window. if i'd been sent to prison i would've got a criminal record and my life would've been a lot more difficult than it is now. instead, i went to a psychiatric hospital where i received treatment and care.

    all criminals are mentally ill. no criminals are evil. all criminals should be regarded as equals, no matter their crimes. prisons should be abolished and replaced with psychiatric hospitals (albeit more supportive ones than there currently are now). these people should be treated with the same level as respect as you or i receive. they should have all the care they require and all the resources they require. if they want to bake a cake, give them some cake mix. a psychologist should be on hand 24/7 for unconditional care and support, speaking calmly, kindly and rationally to whoever is in hospital.

    they are our equals. i am your equal. humans need to get over ourselves before it's too late and ego destroys everything.

    edit: i'll also add that crime is subjective. to one individual, killing an animal to eat it might be perfectly ok and to another it might be absolutely disgusting. it doesn't matter what the individual thinks: we have to look at the facts. for example:

    does an animal want to die? no
    is there a way around eating meat for most people? yes
    what is that process? gradually transitioning to a vegetarian or vegan diet with absolute concern and consideration for one's nutritional requirements and therefore not pushing one's body too far
    if it's not viable for someone to become vegetarian or vegan straight away/at all, what other options are there? humanely raised animals with the most painless death possible; campaigning for factory grown meat; campaigning for animal rights to mitigate negative consequences of one's impact; donating to highly cost effective animal rights charities http://www.animalcharityevaluators.org or doing research to educate ourselves and others

    From an average donation of $1,000, Animal Equality would use about $380 towards investigations of the conditions of animals on farms and in other industries, paying for a tiny fraction of an investigation but reaching hundreds of thousands of people through media coverage. They would use about $200 to support grassroots outreach, funding two information stalls which would distribute about 650 pieces of literature each. They would use about $160 on social media and online outreach, and about $160 on bigger protests. Finally, they would spend about $60 on legal advocacy, mostly related to their investigations and protests, and about $40 on corporate outreach related to their investigations. Our rough estimate is that these combined activities would spare about 10,900 animals from life in industrial agriculture.

    so yeah the point is that you and i aren't perfect. no human is. we've all done stuff we regret. so let's forgive ourselves first and foremost and assist and support everyone else unconditionally to realise our full potential as a species and change this world into the best place it can be
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Will a 25yr prison sentence bring back the victim?
    No but will prevent the criminal from killing in this 25 years period and maybe the rehabilitation will make them a better person as they would know what made commit this crime and find other solutions to fix it

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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    serial offenders who commit the most horrendous crimes should be given the death penalty, but not immediately. So I watched a doc about a guy on death row for four accounts of murder but he had no idea of the date he'd be executed and he was terrified of the 'not knowing'. Could vary from days to years. That's what should happen and the victims families should be allowed to sit in and watch the execution from behind a screen. Yep
    that's torture. if an average member of humanity actually believes this then we're not far away from a dystopia. imagine yourself in his or her shoes. it would be hell. who knows what he or she has been through to get to that point. also, a sane family would not want to watch someone else being murdered.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    I think we should definitely bring it back. Nobody is afraid of prison anymore. when I watch documentaries about offenders who have committed capital murder or several accounts of child abuse, they seem somewhat happy in jail. They're surrounded by the company of others, they get food, showers, clothes, bed and even education. Ive also seen some people with phones and recording another offender getting beaten up and they're all laughing in the background. I even watched one guy baking a cake -__- How does that deter them from reoffending? We need tougher prison sentences with a very low but satisfactory level of comfort for less serious criminals

    serial offenders who commit the most horrendous crimes should be given the death penalty, but not immediately. So I watched a doc about a guy on death row for four accounts of murder but he had no idea of the date he'd be executed and he was terrified of the 'not knowing'. Could vary from days to years. That's what should happen and the victims families should be allowed to sit in and watch the execution from behind a screen. Yep
    I find it incredibly difficult to imagine you saw prisoners showing mobile phones in a documentary that's the ultimate contraband. I would agree that prisons need to be toughened up and some offenders should be given longer sentences.

    Even if you've committed murder you're human thus you have human rights. Having people constantly suspended in limbo would be ridiculous and our international reputation would definitely suffer. Anybody who'd want to go and watch an execution is an incredibly sick person (not in a good way)


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    Yes, but keep it reserved for people who commit treason (Lee Rigby Killers, Terrorists that have left the country then returned, etc.) As these people aren't worth spending public money on to keep alive.
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    (Original post by Xelfrost)
    Yes, but keep it reserved for people who commit treason (Lee Rigby Killers, Terrorists that have left the country then returned, etc.) As these people aren't worth spending public money on to keep alive.
    Executing people ends up being more expensive as several people have pointed out


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Executing people ends up being more expensive as several people have pointed out


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    While this can be true, you need to remember that Terrorists aren't the kind of people that the population like keeping alive in our prisons. I accept that economically there's some argument to keep them alive but there's a serious risk that in the cases where they might be let out in twenty to thirty years time for good behavior they could go out and hurt innocents. It's unfortunate that a lot of terrorists are British nationals but it's the harsh reality and keeping these people in the country is not a smart move.
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    (Original post by fairytalecolours)
    that's torture. if an average member of humanity actually believes this then we're not far away from a dystopia. imagine yourself in his or her shoes. it would be hell. who knows what he or she has been through to get to that point. also, a sane family would not want to watch someone else being murdered.
    That's torture? Someone who murdered a number of INNOCENT people, or perhaps a family for no apparent reason and that's torture? If anyone (God forbid) murdered my family members, I'd like to see them sentenced to the death penalty, I would see no other sentence appropriate enough for such a crime

    I will never be in his or her shoes because I'm not evil nor disturbed.

    I'm sure they do, that's why the screens were invented so that the victims family can watch if they choose to.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    I find it incredibly difficult to imagine you saw prisoners showing mobile phones in a documentary that's the ultimate contraband. I would agree that prisons need to be toughened up and some offenders should be given longer sentences.

    Even if you've committed murder you're human thus you have human rights. Having people constantly suspended in limbo would be ridiculous and our international reputation would definitely suffer. Anybody who'd want to go and watch an execution is an incredibly sick person (not in a good way)


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    It wasn't in a documentary, it was posted on Facebook.

    To me, the act of committing a single murder doesn't necessarily have to result in the death penalty. If there were mitigating circumstances, they should just do jail time, but repeat offenders who see no wrong in their horrific crimes should be put on death row. At this point, they should be stripped of all their human rights.

    It's sick to watch them die but it's not sick for them to watch somebody else die? I see no wrong in a family choosing to sit in whilst the execution takes place
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    (Original post by PlayerBB)
    No but will prevent the criminal from killing in this 25 years period and maybe the rehabilitation will make them a better person as they would know what made commit this crime and find other solutions to fix it

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    Not necessarily. They can still kill fellow inmates/ prison officers. I also think that after being locked up for so long for such a crime, they will be unlikely to find employment and if they can't get money legitimately, what will they do? Back to crime
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Will a 25yr prison sentence bring back the victim?
    No, but they'll be kept out of society and thus unable to murder again.

    How is killing someone for murder productive? It's counterintuitive and just perpetuates the idea of murder for murder, violence for violence. This narrative has been repeated in human history for millennia and it clearly has not worked, so what would bringing it back serve?
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    Should never give the state a reason to be able to execute it's own citizens/
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    (Original post by fairytalecolours)
    the more accumulated emotional pain someone has the more likely they are to act violently towards another. violence comes in many forms. a violent thought is the start of a violent action and if left unchecked can lead to consequences.

    those who 'have no morals' were most likely extensively abused as children or in adolescence. kids who grow up in a stable home environment with a lot of love and care will almost certainly not become murderers. furthermore, some societies have higher murder rates than others. this also indicates that environment plays a huge part in whether or not someone is 'evil'.

    evil is an extremely unethical concept that negates empathy. when we call someone else evil, we fail to remember that we don't know this person's background or life experiences. we cannot know what someone else has gone through because we are not them. it's extremely easy to sit on the outside and label someone as evil without having all the information; our egos love to do that.

    as a teen i experienced severe depression and anxiety and drugs pushed me to a point where i had a violent breakdown and threatened to kill people. i didn't physically assault anyone but i did shout a lot and smashed a window. if i'd been sent to prison i would've got a criminal record and my life would've been a lot more difficult than it is now. instead, i went to a psychiatric hospital where i received treatment and care.

    all criminals are mentally ill. no criminals are evil. all criminals should be regarded as equals, no matter their crimes. prisons should be abolished and replaced with psychiatric hospitals (albeit more supportive ones than there currently are now). these people should be treated with the same level as respect as you or i receive. they should have all the care they require and all the resources they require. if they want to bake a cake, give them some cake mix. a psychologist should be on hand 24/7 for unconditional care and support, speaking calmly, kindly and rationally to whoever is in hospital.

    they are our equals. i am your equal. humans need to get over ourselves before it's too late and ego destroys everything.

    edit: i'll also add that crime is subjective. to one individual, killing an animal to eat it might be perfectly ok and to another it might be absolutely disgusting. it doesn't matter what the individual thinks: we have to look at the facts. for example:

    does an animal want to die? no
    is there a way around eating meat for most people? yes
    what is that process? gradually transitioning to a vegetarian or vegan diet with absolute concern and consideration for one's nutritional requirements and therefore not pushing one's body too far
    if it's not viable for someone to become vegetarian or vegan straight away/at all, what other options are there? humanely raised animals with the most painless death possible; campaigning for factory grown meat; campaigning for animal rights to mitigate negative consequences of one's impact; donating to highly cost effective animal rights charities http://www.animalcharityevaluators.org or doing research to educate ourselves and others

    From an average donation of $1,000, Animal Equality would use about $380 towards investigations of the conditions of animals on farms and in other industries, paying for a tiny fraction of an investigation but reaching hundreds of thousands of people through media coverage. They would use about $200 to support grassroots outreach, funding two information stalls which would distribute about 650 pieces of literature each. They would use about $160 on social media and online outreach, and about $160 on bigger protests. Finally, they would spend about $60 on legal advocacy, mostly related to their investigations and protests, and about $40 on corporate outreach related to their investigations. Our rough estimate is that these combined activities would spare about 10,900 animals from life in industrial agriculture.

    so yeah the point is that you and i aren't perfect. no human is. we've all done stuff we regret. so let's forgive ourselves first and foremost and assist and support everyone else unconditionally to realise our full potential as a species and change this world into the best place it can be
    You're giving these terrible people excuses for their crimes. They may not be evil as an individual, but the crime they commit certainly is and therefore, they have an element of it within them.

    I completely disagree with your points that all criminals are mentally ill. You make it seem as though they didn't know what they were doing, when most of the time, that's not the case. They know exactly what they're doing, which is why some call the police immediately and hand themselves in or they try to cover up the crime and wait for the evidence to catch up to them. I understand people kill for different reasons and that's why I've said that some people have 'special' circumstances whereby they were not of sound mind or if the victim had done something terrible to them or their loved ones, but that is not true for everyone & especially not for serial offenders

    Take your example of your mental issues. You said you had an outburst and became very angry at one point in your life. I get that, but that emotional pain you were feeling doesn't last forever (particularly if you do seek help) and so it cannot account for a serial offender. Most serial offenders commit the same crime over a period of years, they spread it out.
    The people who are seriously mentally ill like you mentioned tend to hurt themselves or threaten to hurt themselves/ people they know as opposed to innocent people on the street.

    You're right about the last point. We're not perfect, and I'll never make myself out to be perfect, but there's a big difference between me making a small boo boo compared to me going out and deciding I don't like Wednesday's so I'm gonna murder and rape a number of people
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    That's torture? Someone who murdered a number of INNOCENT people, or perhaps a family for no apparent reason and that's torture? If anyone (God forbid) murdered my family members, I'd like to see them sentenced to the death penalty, I would see no other sentence appropriate enough for such a crime

    I will never be in his or her shoes because I'm not evil nor disturbed.

    I'm sure they do, that's why the screens were invented so that the victims family can watch if they choose to.
    like i said earlier, no one is evil and no one is innocent. we're all ****ed up in our own ways and to point fingers is to fail to recognise our own fallibility. i'm as bad as the worst criminal on Earth because i'm one and equal with them. we're all as bad as the worst of our world - but we're also all as good as our best. let's each individually become the best we can be and illuminate the darkness. if we can each and all be a candle, we can light the way for others until heaven is brought to Earth and our equality is realised. saying someone is evil and deserves to die is as bad as murdering someone because it comes from the very same place: ego. ego is the reason we're ****ing ourselves and ****ing the planet. let's rather FACE ourselves, forgive ourselves, and love all unconditionally. we're all ok. no one is innocent, but no one is evil either, and that leads to incredible acts of mercy and humility. i love you as myself, just as we all deep down love all as ourselves. so let's drop our egos and just forgive
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    (Original post by fairytalecolours)
    like i said earlier, no one is evil and no one is innocent. we're all ****ed up in our own ways and to point fingers is to fail to recognise our own fallibility. i'm as bad as the worst criminal on Earth because i'm one and equal with them. we're all as bad as the worst of our world - but we're also all as good as our best. let's each individually become the best we can be and illuminate the darkness. if we can each and all be a candle, we can light the way for others until heaven is brought to Earth and our equality is realised. saying someone is evil and deserves to die is as bad as murdering someone because it comes from the very same place: ego. ego is the reason we're ****ing ourselves and ****ing the planet. let's rather FACE ourselves, forgive ourselves, and love all unconditionally. we're all ok. no one is innocent, but no one is evil either, and that leads to incredible acts of mercy and humility. i love you as myself, just as we all deep down love all as ourselves. so let's drop our egos and just forgive
    I'm so disappointed I wasted a few seconds of my life reading that nonsense


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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    I completely disagree with your points that all criminals are mentally ill.
    Feel free to disagree with the facts. It is true that much crime is committed by folks without mental illness. However I find it rather alarming that 10% of men and 30% of women have had a previous psychiatric admission before they entered prison. That is staggering when you compare it against the number of people who have been admitted for psychiatric treatment in the population as a whole.

    http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/...h/mentalhealth
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    Would your stance be different if the family of the victim are able to exercise a choice, pre-trial, as to whether or not the judge and/or jury may consider the death penalty, in the event of a guilty verdict?
    I don't feel it is right to give the family that choice or for that choice to even be a choice. That is not justice and death should never pay for death in my opinion. You?

    Also that you make it more of a retributive act than judicial, as I saw in an earlier post, Justice needs to be impartial, people may feel emotionally connected to a case but they should not have any personal ties to the victim or the perpetrator.
 
 
 
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