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    (Original post by VV Cephei A)
    That really has nothing whatsoever to do with the scenario I was outlining.
    You said bachelor degrees are worthless because too many people do them (not true, and frankly not worth debating). You then suggested the taxpayer would have to begin funding postgraduate degrees because bachelor degrees are "no longer sufficient" - I merely pointed that the tax-payer already funds postgraduate degrees.
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    I think this is a great idea. Now I'll be able to say to the people of TSR: "Who are you to challenge me? My uni is tier 1 whereas yours is tier 2." It will present a much clearer demarcation between the RG unis.

    Can't wait.
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    I think it's a good idea, you would pay a lot more for the best healthcare, the best car etc. It's obvious that you would pay more for the better education too if you really wanted it.
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    (Original post by hellodave5)
    Should be free... not some kind of product.
    If you want it free, make it so far fewer people can go in the first place
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    You said bachelor degrees are worthless because too many people do them (not true, and frankly not worth debating). You then suggested the taxpayer would have to begin funding postgraduate degrees because bachelor degrees are "no longer sufficient" - I merely pointed that the tax-payer already funds postgraduate degrees.
    Yes, the taxpayer would have to begin universally funding postgraduate degrees once universally funded Bachelors cease to be sufficient. Postgraduate degrees are currently not universally funded.
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    I don't think paying so much money a year is even worth it for a lot of the good degrees, with an apprenticeship you can get to the same place in a year and be paid for it (some science/comp science subjects). I have/will never do a degree that I am not sponsored for, the best paid individuals I work with are ones with cheap degrees and larges amount of experience. People should really take a look to see if there is another way into their chosen profession before choosing to study something for years at a fee. At the end of the day not only are you 30k in debt but you wasted 3 years of possible employment to get there. It really adds up.
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    (Original post by harinimnida)
    I think it's a good idea, you would pay a lot more for the best healthcare, the best car etc. It's obvious that you would pay more for the better education too if you really wanted it.
    Doesn't that widen the economic gap? Wealthier families can afford to send their children to such universities, whereas even the smartest from less affluent families cannot afford to attend such universities anymore. You could argue the same with private schools, but as you go up the education levels, shouldn't things be becoming more merit based?
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    (Original post by VV Cephei A)
    Yes, the taxpayer would have to begin universally funding postgraduate degrees once universally funded Bachelors cease to be sufficient. Postgraduate degrees are currently not universally funded.
    I didn't say they were universally funded. Perhaps someday postgrad degrees will become a requirement for many grad-level jobs, but not because too many people are going to university. The UK is already behind many European countries where 5-year long MA degrees are the norm in all subjects, not just the sciences.
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    (Original post by Student403)
    Doesn't that widen the economic gap? Wealthier families can afford to send their children to such universities, whereas even the smartest from less affluent families cannot afford to attend such universities anymore. You could argue the same with private schools, but as you go up the education levels, shouldn't things be becoming more merit based?
    Its absolutely true. There are bright minds who cannot afford to study at a good school. I think atleast secondary education should be free. Universities need to be funded, fees might solve these problems but with proper planning and budget it possible for Gov to provide partial deduction in fees for low income families.
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    (Original post by Daftpunker)
    Its up to you. I just thinks its idiotic to protest widely and often violently against something but still go ahead and pay it that doesn't depend on your physical and mental well being.

    To a certain level the fees are your own fault. If you feel that strongly about it you should make a stand and vote with your wallets. 260,000 people applied to university last year. Since fees more students are applying not less...

    Would you still pay it if fees for example hit the £100,000 mark for three year course?
    No. I would move and still go to university but in another country. But I hope you're not suggesting the 260,000 people move country.
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    (Original post by Azhar Rana)
    Its absolutely true. There are bright minds who cannot afford to study at a good school. I think atleast secondary education should be free. Universities need to be funded, fees might solve these problems but with proper planning and budget it possible for Gov to provide partial deduction in fees for low income families.
    Unfortunate reality =/
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    I didn't say they were universally funded. Perhaps someday postgrad degrees will become a requirement for many grad-level jobs, but not because too many people are going to university. The UK is already behind many European countries where 5-year long MA degrees are the norm in all subjects, not just the sciences.
    So 15 years of schooling and now a 3 year Bachelors apparently being inadequate to land an entry level job, education should be devalued further so that an extra x number of years of unrelated study, at taxpayer expense, is required to earn your first paycheck. Jeez, it's almost like this idea is pure ****.
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    (Original post by looseseal)
    Funnily enough the NHS and free primary and secondary schooling were founded upon similar "bull****" socialist values.

    Sometimes I really do wonder how people can have such a myopic view of the world.
    I find it strange why there are so many people against free university education (some with very good reason and some not) but very few people even question whether the state school complex is good value for money to the taxpayer. Also, over 90% of the public cheer whenever the government announces that it will spend more money on schools. It seems like British society views free state schooling almost as a God given right and every penny spent on it is a penny well spent.

    Imagine for a moment that the state school system was abolished but in its place every town had an exam centre to take GCSEs at (and the costs were free for the first attempt at a subject) but children had to attend independent schools, have tutors, or be home educated. I actually don't think that standards will fall but it will save the taxpayer billions.

    No longer will parents use schools primarily as a childminder service. No longer will schools be attended by children primarily for the social life. No longer will schools provide secure employment to commie teachers who are next to unemployable in the private sector.
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    (Original post by VV Cephei A)
    So 15 years of schooling and now a 3 year Bachelors apparently being inadequate to land an entry level job, education should be devalued further so that an extra x number of years of unrelated study, at taxpayer expense, is required to earn your first paycheck. Jeez, it's almost like this idea is pure ****.
    My tax money pays for childcare costs even though I don't have children, ballet dancers I won't ever see, museums I won't ever visit, infrastructure projects in places I've never heard of... etc etc. I don't see why higher education is any different.

    A hundred years ago people made this exact argument about school, that it wasn't necessary, you could get a job without it blah blah. It could be argued than a degree is (or soon will be) the new high school diploma - something everyone needs. That is progress. Get over it.
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    (Original post by Ishan_2000)
    Education is a right!! It is not to be bought! It should be openly available to everyone, no matter of their economic background. Their intelligence, desire to learn and the effort the candidates put in to enter the university of their dreams is phenomenally high!

    This standard is increasing every year. The standard of universities' education - I don't know about, but the tuition fees are incredibly high at the moment - too high!
    Is today opposite day?
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    My tax money pays for childcare costs even though I don't have children, ballet dancers I won't ever see, museums I won't ever visit, infrastructure projects in places I've never heard of... etc etc. I don't see why higher education is any different.

    A hundred years ago people made this exact argument about school, that it wasn't necessary, you could get a job without it blah blah. It could be argued than a degree is (or soon will be) the new high school diploma - something everyone needs. That is progress. Get over it.
    Oh I see, you're the typical progressive who is incapable of any kind of critical thought regarding these issues, and will blindly support anything in the name of "progress", even if it strongly disadvantages our youth, the taxpayer and pisses all over the purpose and value of education. Should have warned me sooner.
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    (Original post by marco14196)
    If you want it free, make it so far fewer people can go in the first place
    I dunno. I think its a positive thing that so many people are highly educated.
    Though I definitely think apprenticeships need to be worked on as a viable and equal alternative.
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    (Original post by hellodave5)
    I dunno. I think its a positive thing that so many people are highly educated.
    Though I definitely think apprenticeships need to be worked on as a viable and equal alternative.
    Going to university =/= being highly educated.
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    (Original post by VV Cephei A)
    Going to university =/= being highly educated.
    What?
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    (Original post by VV Cephei A)
    Going to university =/= being highly educated.
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