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    (Original post by IAmNero)
    The chips? I thought they were vegetarian?
    Yeah chips are good, I just meant as a replacement to the burger I have carrot sticks :^_^:
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    (Original post by huddledapple)
    I don't know but it is depressing because I hate spicy food! Whenever my friends go to McDonald's (where the only veggie thing is a spicy bean burger or something), I always end up just getting carrot sticks and feeling like a massive cliche!! -_- Spicy veggie burgers aside though, there are some really amazing ones out there too
    Yes, i especially love the 'macro chickpea veggie burgers'
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    There's a lot of things we don't need to do that we do which harm the environment and animals.


    I like meat, I eat it everyday in at least 3 meals.
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    stop trying to take away the joys of life
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    I'll bear it in mind, the next time I then dip my chips into the red myoglobin goodness that pours out of my steak.
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    (Original post by RickmanAlways)


    Take an hour of your time to watch this please.
    Gary Yourofsky is brilliant and this will change the way you think.
    We dont. Need to eat. MEAT.
    Im gonna go veggie at the end of this week
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    We eat meat by nature, the same way that lions catch prey and eat it. Be my guest and tell all the lions in the world to stop. And do take into account that slaughtering a farm animal is nowhere near as torturous as a gazelle being hunted until it can't run any longer, then having chunks taken out of it while still alive.

    I personally hate red meat, but that's just my personal taste (I love chicken though). If I liked how it tasted, I would still eat it. If a few people stop eating meat, it won't decrease the number of animals being farmed for it.

    ALSO: drinking milk is so much more inhumane than eating meat. So is eating honey. Why not read up on what happens to the majority of male calves right after they're born, and why bees are dying? If you still consume these products, it's a bit hypocritical of you to ask others not to eat meat, don't you think?
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    the title is obvious, of course we don't have to eat meat, but people chose to sadly
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    If eating meat is going against ethics, think of all the other things that harm or damage the world such as cars, energy etc etc

    Go live in a cave if meat is a problem, we cant ponder on trivial matters like this.
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    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)
    I think it's legitimate to compare 200 years ago to now. I think 200 years ago, people probably said that they had owned slaves since the dawn of man, and that it would never change. If we can stop eating meat in two hundred years' time, I'll be happy.

    Humans and animals are exactly equal - humans are animals. The difference between a human brain and the brains of other species is one of degree, not of kind. There is no obvious, distinct line that separates sentient animals from non-sentient ones.

    Probably the biggest fish that currently needs frying is climate change. Meat consumption, through the emissions of livestock, is a massive contributor to climate change. World hunger is a very large fish. Meat consumption contributes to that too, by ensuring that the most economically viable way to farm does not feed the most people. Cancer and heart disease are also fairly significant fish that could be dealt with to a large extent by removing fatty meats from peoples' diets.
    Are you seriously expecting us to believe that cows farting make the world hotter?

    Get real. People just grasp at straws to try and get other people to not eat meat. Oh it costs more water. We live in a wet country. Oh it takes up so much land and we could grow more veg and people are starving. Generally people in this country don't eat either through bad habits or lack of funds. Not lack of availability of food. But this - climate change - this is a doozy.

    That said, I agree with health. That's not just meat though, it's processed foods as well. Less red meat, less processed grain and less dairy. Foods too rich in things we don't need.
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    (Original post by Tootles)
    Are you seriously expecting us to believe that cows farting make the world hotter?

    Get real. People just grasp at straws to try and get other people to not eat meat. Oh it costs more water. We live in a wet country. Oh it takes up so much land and we could grow more veg and people are starving. Generally people in this country don't eat either through bad habits or lack of funds. Not lack of availability of food. But this - climate change - this is a doozy.

    That said, I agree with health. That's not just meat though, it's processed foods as well. Less red meat, less processed grain and less dairy. Foods too rich in things we don't need.
    Emissions from livestock, including burps, flatulence, and from their manure, make up a solid fraction of our greenhouse gas emissions. It seems ridiculous, but it's true, and no amount of "seriously expect us to believe" arguments will make it any less true.

    All of your economic arguments are based solely on Britain, whereas other countries notably exist with more starving people. Some of your arguments don't really even hold within Britain. You say that people in this country don't eat due to lack of funds, rather than lack of availability of food, but those are equivalent - basic economics tells us that if the supply of food goes up (if we stop feeding so many animals, and start eating the produce of the land ourselves), the price of food will go down, and poorer people will be able to afford to eat more.

    People often make that argument, now that I think about it - that there exists enough food to feed everyone on Earth, and the problem is one of poverty and food distribution, and stopping eating meat won't help that. The way I see it, even if there theoretically exists enough food on Earth to feed everyone, we clearly aren't producing enough food yet if there are still hungry people and increasing food production can feed them.

    And as I said, quite a lot of our meat comes from outside Britain - and some, I am sure, comes from countries that have found that it is more profitable to produce meat and sell it to us, than to produce veg and sell it to their own impoverished populace. Weaning ourselves off meat will make that system of inefficient food distribution that much less lucrative.
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    I've been a vegetarian for over 4 years.

    Of course we don't need to eat meat. But people can eat whatever they want.

    Having said that, even though I respect their choices, the things most say is a joke. Lions eat meat too? So you're saying your brain is the same level as a lion and you can't control it? Are you really comparing yourselves to animals that will roll around in their own waste?

    Basically I feel that you can eat what you want but just don't make rubbish excuses. Doing something because it's how you've been raised and it's what you feel to be right is completely understandable but saying it tastes good is as much justification as doing anything I want to anyone because it feels good.


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    (Original post by JustJusty)
    We eat meat by nature, the same way that lions catch prey and eat it. Be my guest and tell all the lions in the world to stop. And do take into account that slaughtering a farm animal is nowhere near as torturous as a gazelle being hunted until it can't run any longer, then having chunks taken out of it while still alive.

    I personally hate red meat, but that's just my personal taste (I love chicken though). If I liked how it tasted, I would still eat it. If a few people stop eating meat, it won't decrease the number of animals being farmed for it.

    ALSO: drinking milk is so much more inhumane than eating meat. So is eating honey. Why not read up on what happens to the majority of male calves right after they're born, and why bees are dying? If you still consume these products, it's a bit hypocritical of you to ask others not to eat meat, don't you think?
    The reason we hold ourselves to standards that we don't apply to lions is that we've got the capacity for abstract moral reasoning and the ability to subsist without eating meat, whereas lions have neither. We have a choice, where lions don't. You can say we eat meat by nature, but the modern human lifestyle is so irredeemably unnatural that it doesn't really make sense to apply that argument to our diet and not to other areas of life.

    If a few people stopped eating meat, it wouldn't decrease the number of animals being farmed for it, but luckily, there are now millions of the *******s worldwide, and we are taking a solid, ever-increasing chunk out of the meat industry.

    Having long since read up on those things you're suggesting, I've given up milk, am working on other dairy products, and barely ever eat honey. And even if I did do those things, it doesn't make meat-eating any more ethical - it's just classic whataboutery. I don't mind being called a hypocrite if people stop eating meat.
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    Give yer meat a good ol' rub!
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    (Original post by A$aprocky)
    If eating meat is going against ethics, think of all the other things that harm or damage the world such as cars, energy etc etc

    Go live in a cave if meat is a problem, we cant ponder on trivial matters like this.
    Eating meat isn't trivial, for various reasons.

    Firstly, it takes a lot more water, energy, and land to produce meat than it does to produce an equivalent amount of veg, because you've effectively gone up a trophic level - feeding plants to animals and then eating the animals rather than just eating the plants. This inefficiency is multiplied on a global scale, and adds up to a colossal waste.

    Secondly, livestock are a large source of greenhouse gas emissions. Removing them from the equation will make it much easier to solve the problem of climate change.

    You can say "what about cars", but it won't change the fact that meat-eating is a really terrible idea from an economic and environmental perspective.
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    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)

    You can say "what about cars", but it won't change the fact that meat-eating is a really terrible idea from an economic and environmental perspective.
    What about China?

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    What about China?

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    Yeah, exactly.
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    (Original post by Ethereal World)
    and these lean body goalz ftw :yep:

    And good digestion.

    And good skin and hair.

    Oh and energy levels.

    All things that have improved on a vegan diet above :yep:
    Vegan does not equal healthy, and eating meat does not equal unhealthy. One can be a vegan, eat little fruit and vegetables, and sit around eating sugar all day. One can eat meat, but also lots of fruit and vegetables, and exercise a lot, and be rather fit and healthy.

    Eating more fruit and vegetables is healthier. Exercising more is healthier. But simply being vegan does not make one healthy.
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    (Original post by RickmanAlways)


    Take an hour of your time to watch this please.
    Gary Yourofsky is brilliant and this will change the way you think.
    We dont. Need to eat. MEAT.
    We dont need to eat plants either, i choose to eat meat becuaseits the most effective and most tasty way to get protein. Plus IGAF about animals, they cant be moral victims becuase they have no ability to be moral, they are plants with legs.
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    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)
    Eating meat isn't trivial, for various reasons.

    Firstly, it takes a lot more water, energy, and land to produce meat than it does to produce an equivalent amount of veg, because you've effectively gone up a trophic level - feeding plants to animals and then eating the animals rather than just eating the plants. This inefficiency is multiplied on a global scale, and adds up to a colossal waste.

    Secondly, livestock are a large source of greenhouse gas emissions. Removing them from the equation will make it much easier to solve the problem of climate change.

    You can say "what about cars", but it won't change the fact that meat-eating is a really terrible idea from an economic and environmental perspective.
    Yes, i too learnt all the trophic level stuff from biology lessons, doesnt mean we come up with a radical plan to turn everyone into vegetarians. We've adapted and evolved in such a way that meat has become part of our diet and for many, it is still a brilliant source of energy, calories etc etc.

    We are 'removing them from the equation' by eating them... In that way you're contradicting yourself...

    Cars are also a terrible idea from an economic and environmental perspective. Oil prices have sent global shocks in the economy and has slowed down the whole economy. Meat is actually good for the economy and if we get rid of meat, we are getting rid of a whole market that definitely will have long term implications.

    I cant see why you are dismissive of the car analogy, it is a perfectly valid comparison. But heres the difference. Cars (and fossil fuels) are beneficial to your life so you think its fine when it too is immoral and unethical. I can list so many other things that we as people do everyday that is also unethical. Vegetarianism is just the epitomy of hypocrisy and pure ignorance!
 
 
 
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