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    (Original post by Zain-A)
    Do you not understand that a Muslim living in London and a Muslim living elsewhere is brought up in a different environment. There are several cultural issues prevalent in the Muslim community of people not wanting to let go of their own prejudices.

    Any it still cannot be claimed half of all British Muslims want to ban homosexuality, because that sample size and location isn't representative of the whole nation.
    Yeah, I'm sure that the Muslims living in Rochdale or Bradford are much more tolerant than those living in London. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Sephiroth)
    It's really worrying and I can only see it ending in a bloody civil war or at worse another holocaust in Europe.
    I think of it like this, there were a small number of people who were warning of the dangers of Hitler / Germany in the 1930's. Those people were ridiculed. Then the appeasement began, which led to the problem at the time, Hitler / Germany becoming stronger and stronger, and still the doubters were ignored, then in a relatively short space of time, boom!

    Does that remind you of anything?

    Sadly, most people will only learn / listen when it is practically too late to avoid the issue.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Yeah, I'm sure that the Muslims living in Rochdale or Bradford are much more tolerant than those living in London. :rolleyes:
    Nah man Birmingham lot probably more tolerant.

    At secondary school the Muslims guys were fine albeit at about 15+ they started hanging around in a big group and didn't want to integrate as they used to, they had their own corner of the school field lol. I used to go and chat to them sometimes, reasonably okay albeit the whole "Do you consider yourselves British?" "Erm....nah Muslim mate". I kept trying to explain national identity and religion are two separate things but I used to get "yeah but Muslim first though init"....smile, sigh inside, walk away.

    It's hardly a surprising survery result though, if western Christianity hadn't been watered down due to secular influence (for the most ;part anyhow) you'd get the same answers from Christians. Both religious texts wish death upon homosexuals who act upon their sexuality. There's plenty of places in Africa where your Christian community ain't going to take kindly to any queers.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    I think of it like this, there were a small number of people who were warning of the dangers of Hitler / Germany in the 1930's. Those people were ridiculed. Then the appeasement began, which led to the problem at the time, Hitler / Germany becoming stronger and stronger, and still the doubters were ignored, then in a relatively short space of time, boom!

    Does that remind you of anything?

    Sadly, most people will only learn / listen when it is practically too late to avoid the issue.
    Those who cannot remember the past, etc, etc.
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    (Original post by Dinasaurus)
    Don't equate ethnic minorities with Islam. Most actual minorities when relative to the world population are probably not muslim.
    This is relative to the UK population, not the world. In the UK, they are a minority.
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    (Original post by TheIr0nDuke)
    This is relative to the UK population, not the world. In the UK, they are a minority.
    I guess so, but as an even smaller minority I hate the association especially when lumped together negatively to slate minorities.
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    (Original post by Sephiroth)
    So what's going to happen once the Muslim population in the UK outbreeds us and mass migrates and becomes the majority? They then use our democratic system to vote in an Islamic minded party and the game is over. I doubt this will happen this century however but your great grandchildren may be affected by it.
    This is already happening locally. Look at the political situation in Tower Hamlets, Rotherham or Bradford. A glimpse of what Western Europe will be in a few decades.



    (Original post by S.olk)
    Could agree with this more!!! 100% true, stupid surveys like just alienate Muslims more and make them more susceptible and attracted to messages like the one Isis preaches.
    Muslims will go to Syria because of a poll showing what they think of homosexuality?
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    (Original post by Dinasaurus)
    I guess so, but as an even smaller minority I hate the association especially when lumped together negatively to slate minorities.
    In what way did I slate minorities? I gave a salient example.
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    (Original post by TheIr0nDuke)
    In what way did I slate minorities? I gave a salient example.

    "which does anything to fuse their perceived plight with that of ethnic minorities"

    I just don't like the association.
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    Anyway, this statistic isn't exactly alone: over a quarter of the United States believes gay/lesbian relationships should be illegal. About 40% of the entire population thinks same-sex marriages should be illegal, too.
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    (Original post by CON5P1RACY K1D)
    I can understand why some Muslims hate gay people or don't condome what they do but it's not our business,they have chosen their lifestyle so why should other Muslims get involved and say these harsh things just because they don't accept it ?
    We are concerned that Muslims hate gays. It is our fu**ing business.

    And homosexuality is not a lifestyle. It's decided in utero.
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    (Original post by Dinasaurus)
    "which does anything to fuse their perceived plight with that of ethnic minorities"

    I just don't like the association.
    You may not like it, but it is correct. Facts don't care about feelings.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    We are concerned that Muslims hate gays. It is our fu**ing business.

    And homosexuality is not a lifestyle. It's decided in utero.
    Though I do agree with you, be aware that being gay has not yet been decisively proven to be a born trait... though it's extremely likely to be.
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    (Original post by TheIr0nDuke)
    You may not like it, but it is correct. Facts don't care about feelings.
    I doubt there's been one major crime in recent years by someone from my country in the UK, even if the entire population of my country moved to the UK in a single year it wouldn't even touch the UK's average immigration amounts.
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    (Original post by Dinasaurus)
    I doubt there's been one major crime in recent years by someone from my country in the UK, even if the entire population of my country moved to the UK in a single year it wouldn't even touch the UK's average immigration amounts.
    Where are you originally from?

    Plus that's not really relevant to the thread or the point I made.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    Though I do agree with you, be aware that being gay has not yet been decisively proven to be a born trait... though it's extremely likely to be.
    Personally I do not think that being gay is a trait and that it is 100% chosen. but that does not mean that hating it is right at all.
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    (Original post by TheIr0nDuke)
    Where are you originally from?

    Plus that's not really relevant to the thread or the point I made.
    It's not relevant but like I said, by lumping all minorities together it lumps together any immigrants from my country who have not done much wrong as far as I know.

    Why not specify Muslims? I feel minorities is an arbitrary distinction.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    This is already happening locally. Look at the political situation in Tower Hamlets, Rotherham or Bradford. A glimpse of what Western Europe will be in a few decades.





    Muslims will go to Syria because of a poll showing what they think of homosexuality?
    You clearly didnt read my post correctly cause what i am saying is that surveys like this which have mostly likely being adapted and altered into making Muslims look like the bad guys are going to alienate muslims and drive them away from society and societys value and where are going to go looking? To places where they aren't alienated but accepted which is just how ISIS groom and get their recruits, by playing on their insecurites and making up for the damage that surveys like this have done.
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    (Original post by Sephiroth)
    It's really worrying and I can only see it ending in a bloody civil war or at worse another holocaust in Europe.
    I also think it will end in a genocide, or at least massive ethnic cleansing before the end of the century. I don't know in which direction though.
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    (Original post by Dinasaurus)
    It's not relevant but like I said, by lumping all minorities together it lumps together any immigrants from my country who have not done much wrong as far as I know.

    Why not specify Muslims? I feel minorities is an arbitrary distinction.
    If you're not prepared to answer then don't bring your country or it's impact on immigration into the discussion. What is the point, otherwise?

    Anyway, I was making the point that the LGBT community feels it needs to side with any and all minorities and groups which are perceived as 'persecuted'. When some of those groups might not show the LGBT community the same tolerance.
 
 
 
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