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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So despite the party being informed you were unaware, is it that it didn't happen or that you just didn't bother looking?

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    I understand that before coalition negotiations started " Threats " were made ( Apparently ) and certain factors last terms last term caused this falling out ... i am not 100% what was entitled in the threats or some of the factors that caused this
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    I understand that before coalition negotiations started " Threats " were made ( Apparently ) and certain factors last terms last term caused this falling out ... i am not 100% what was entitled in the threats or some of the factors that caused this
    The threats can be summarised as "let us into the government or we will try to make the government collapse out of spite"
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So despite the party being informed you were unaware, is it that it didn't happen or that you just didn't bother looking?

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    He was involved in the discussion that was had in the chat thread in UKIP's private forum; he commented more on the issue than any other member.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    He was involved in the discussion that was had in the chat thread in UKIP's private forum; he commented more on the issue than any other member.
    Are you accusing him of being an idiot and/or a liar now?
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    I also tried to avoid getting involved in this however once i say this i'm done and i will no longer get involved

    Yes , I accept UKIP and the Conservatives have had a falling out over certain factors ( I'm not 100% certain over what exactly caused it nor do i know of the so called " threats " made ..... Although i accept it was partly UKIPs actions that caused it ....however all i really want to do is move on from this so we can start the new term on at least civil terms
    It's pretty much only UKIP's actions that have caused it. Your party made yourselves infeasible as partners by continuously attacking everyone else and slandering us and the Liberals, your only feasible options. Now you're continuing to act as a petulant child by doing things out of spite. If you want to move on and re-establish respect in the house, I suggest you rethink the civility and conduct in which your party behaves with others. The ability to move on rests entirely with you guys.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    He was involved in the discussion that was had in the chat thread in UKIP's private forum; he commented more on the issue than any other member.
    I commented on issues but i thought this was a different matter ... Simple misunderstanding
    I'm aware of what happened now
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Are you accusing him of being an idiot and/or a liar now?
    You can draw your own interpretations, I am stating the fact which is Hazzer was involved in the discussion had in UKIP's private forum.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Have to say these whole shenanigans have been great craic - more entertaining than the Dublin-Kerry game I just missed because of it
    I was just waiting on you or the Greens to confirm you'll be going with Ukip and then 6 of the 7 parties will have pretty much declared their coalition positions more than 24 hours before the deadline. I've never seen anything like it in my years here.

    *This of course ignores the fact that Labour by now will be upping their offer to the Liberals and so coalition on the center right is not quite assured although i imagine there'd be strong odds.

    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    I also tried to avoid getting involved in this however once i say this i'm done and i will no longer get involved

    Yes , I accept UKIP and the Conservatives have had a falling out over certain factors ( I'm not 100% certain over what exactly caused it nor do i know of the so called " threats " made ..... Although i accept it was partly UKIPs actions that caused it ....however all i really want to do is move on from this so we can start the new term on at least civil terms
    The irony here is that there was no Tory-Ukip fallout that caused this and plenty of people would have been happy for a coalition that included the Kippers (though few people are tied to any one deal). The problem here in the main is that every other party won't touch them due to their attitude. Your leader then (whether approved by you guys or unilateral) decided to then try take a crap on us for your own failings in diplomacy outside the right.

    On the Mhoc there are but 2 ways to government..

    1) Wait for the electoral winds to blow in your favour.

    2) Suck it up and develop a decent working relationship with parties you can tolerate (note the word tolerate, you don't have to like them all that much).
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    :jerry:

    Why do these fallouts always tend to happen when I'm away from the House?
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I was just waiting on you or the Greens to confirm you'll be going with Ukip and then 6 of the 7 parties will have pretty much declared their coalition positions more than 24 hours before the deadline. I've never seen anything like it in my years here.

    *This of course ignores the fact that Labour by now will be upping their offer to the Liberals and so coalition on the center right is not quite assured although i imagine there'd be strong odds.
    Doubt there'll be a left wing party in any coalition at this point.

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    Why do these fallouts always tend to happen when I'm away from the House?
    Because running the Socialists' MP election is far more exciting
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Doubt there'll be a left wing party in any coalition at this point.

    Because running the Socialists' MP election is far more exciting
    Negotiations with Labour not gone well or are you guys staying away from government to strengthen your own internal activity.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Doubt there'll be a left wing party in any coalition at this point.



    Because running the Socialists' MP election is far more exciting
    You should have offered your services to the Tories
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Negotiations with Labour not gone well or are you guys staying away from government to strengthen your own internal activity.
    I can confirm that formal Lab/Soc negotiations have not happened.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Negotiations with Labour not gone well or are you guys staying away from government to strengthen your own internal activity.
    Something far smarter...

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    You should have offered your services to the Tories
    As what, a professional Brutus?

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    I can confirm that formal Lab/Soc negotiations have not happened.
    Well they did for the first 18 hours and then I gave up because I've never done it before
    I'm not sure what point there'd be anyway we'd need a third party and there's pretty much no other party we're willing to negotiate with except the Greens, and we can hardly go to them...
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Something far smarter...



    As what, a professional Brutus?



    Well they did for the first 18 hours and then I gave up because I've never done it before
    I'm not sure what point there'd be anyway we'd need a third party and there's pretty much no other party we're willing to negotiate with except the Greens, and we can hardly go to them...
    I'm sure TDA and JD could have made marvellous policy together
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    Something far smarter...



    As what, a professional Brutus?



    Well they did for the first 18 hours and then I gave up because I've never done it before
    I'm not sure what point there'd be anyway we'd need a third party and there's pretty much no other party we're willing to negotiate with except the Greens, and we can hardly go to them...
    'Formal'......like with negotiating teams and stuff like we had to have when we set up LabLib last time around
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    'Formal'......like with negotiating teams and stuff like we had to have when we set up LabLib last time around
    Oh. Formal.
    You had to do that?

    That's more effort than I thought
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I'm sure TDA and JD could have made marvellous policy together
    Only TDA's social scale and theirs have any ideological similarity with us.

    Of course there's always the issue, to quote Nye Bevan:
    "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party that inflicted those bitter experiences on me. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin."
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    Oh. Formal.
    You had to do that?

    That's more effort than I thought
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    We did indeed:yep:
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    I can confirm that formal Lab/Soc negotiations have not happened.
    SHADOW SECRETARY OF STATE FOR ENERGY, AGRICULTURE AND NATURAL RESOURCES

    Is this an actual government department? Because if so it's a bit bloody condensed, there's a massive difference between all of them.
 
 
 
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