June 24th: 'UK Independence Day'. The People of Great Britain Have Spoken. Now What?

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    Hahaha this thread is fun to read. I love seeing poor old re-moaners decrying that "Britain is finished" etc.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    I myself may have to move from london
    Eh? Howja figure that.. :curious:

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    You may have to, as it turns out, but not because of owt to do with Brexit!
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    (Original post by Juedjegfewo)
    Hahaha this thread is fun to read. I love seeing poor old re-moaners decrying that "Britain is finished" etc.

    We should keep all these, and then look back in 5 years and see how wrong they were
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Eh? Howja figure that.. :curious:

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    You may have to, as it turns out, but not because of owt to do with Brexit!
    oh I thrink I meant go a different country when I wrote that*
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    (Original post by james813)
    We should keep all these, and then look back in 5 years and see how wrong they were
    Will there be an extra £350 million for the NHS then?

    I always said Britain would of course survive leaving the EU but that we'd be worse off (just as Scotland would survive leaving the UK). I am quite willing to be proved wrong if brexit turns out to be great- but I doubt it. All we've had is waffle and the likes of Boris and Fox supporting squalid dictatorships as they desperately try and make quick fix trade deals. Our kith and kin in Australia have already said it's going
    To take a while.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...?client=safari

    That said I think we may as well get on with brexit and crack on with doing what we can certainly do now- cutting immigration into this country and end this unhealthy fixation.

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    (Original post by Davij038)

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    "Will there be an extra £350 million for the NHS then?"
    I never said that. You are confusing my personal views with a westminister campaign (I supported Grassroots Out). But there will certainly be economic growth, and reclaiming our EU contributions, if the government handles brexit correctly.


    "I always said Britain would of course survive leaving the EU"
    That's not the impression you gave but I am glad you have turned a corner.

    "Our kith and kin in Australia have already said it's going to take a while."What?!
    Australia has been calling for a free trade agreement since the vote, at the earliest possible opportunity (we can't make deals until we leave the EU, as I told you before). So have New Zealand and tons of other nations before we even asked!!

    "That said I think we may as well get on with brexit and crack on with doing what we can certainly do now- cutting immigration into this country and end this unhealthy fixation."
    I hope we will too. And if you ever have a real job you will see why our current immigration policy (not the immigrants) is such a huge problem.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    oh I thrink I meant go a different country when I wrote that*
    Did you not once say that you intend to marry a foreigner and feel more Syrian than English anyway?
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Will there be an extra £350 million for the NHS then?

    I always said Britain would of course survive leaving the EU but that we'd be worse off (just as Scotland would survive leaving the UK). I am quite willing to be proved wrong if brexit turns out to be great- but I doubt it. All we've had is waffle and the likes of Boris and Fox supporting squalid dictatorships as they desperately try and make quick fix trade deals. Our kith and kin in Australia have already said it's going
    To take a while.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...?client=safari

    That said I think we may as well get on with brexit and crack on with doing what we can certainly do now- cutting immigration into this country and end this unhealthy fixation.

    Foo.mp3
    So which major campaign said there would be an extra £350m a week for the NHS, I kept asking people but nobody has yet been able to tell me, just like most questions asked to Remain supporters and now remoaners

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    (Original post by james813)
    "Will there be an extra £350 million for the NHS then?"
    I never said that. You are confusing my personal views with a westminister campaign (I supported Grassroots Out). But there will certainly be economic growth, and reclaiming our EU contributions, if the government handles brexit correctly.
    It was the officially designated brexit group. I'm sorry your Judean people's front group didn't win

    "I always said Britain would of course survive leaving the EU"
    That's not the impression you gave but I am glad you have turned a corner.
    No corner has been turned- it was always my position.

    "Our kith and kin in Australia have already said it's going to take a while."What?!
    Australia has been calling for a free trade agreement since the vote, at the earliest possible opportunity (we can't make deals until we leave the EU, as I told you before). So have New Zealand and tons of other nations before we even asked!!
    Taking at least three years until after the deal most likely with us with a WTO deal:

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/australia-says-there-will-not-be-a-brexit-trade-deal-with-uk-for-years-a7229366.html%3famp?client=safar i

    (And it remains to be seen if we are better off).





    And if you ever have a real job you will see why our current immigration policy (not the immigrants) is such a huge problem.
    The libertarian in me wants to point out that immigration isn't really a problem for 'real' jobs- you never hear doctors complaining about immigrants taking their jobs etc.

    Personally in my experience working a variety of jobs from construction worker to nurse I can say that immigration is seldom the issue* except in terms of domestic policy - but this is generally a problem with third world immigration. Open borders isn't a problem with similar countries.

    * I disagree with the idea of wage compression, and it is an idea just like trickle down economics.

    For instance in the care sector we rely overwhelmingly on immigration. This is because generally the natives aren't prepared to do the work and the companies/ government aren't prepared to raise wages. A lack of supply (immigration) will not mean that care staff are going to get paid significantly if anything more.

    Or for instance the editor of the express not giving his newspaper staff a pay rise whilst giving himself a big bonus every year ( whilst printing out stories about Romanians keeping your wage down) -

    ...many, many more examples.



    In short I think the answer ideally would have been an EU wide minimum wage and stronger non EU border controls.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    It was the officially designated brexit group. I'm sorry your Judean people's front group didn't win


    Which no remainer or remoaner has yet been able to cite a source for

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Which no remainer or remoaner has yet been able to cite a source for

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    Cite a source for what?

    Also, the oh so hilarious 'remoaner' label I don't really think is applicable to me as I want brexit to go ahead (and be judged accordingly)
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    My ex was Russian. But what will happen to my European friends? Will they be deported? Some of them are expats and some students
    (Original post by queen-bee)
    What are you talking about,ofcourse we will!

    #votelondonindependence
    lmaoo of course they won’t be deported.
    and trust me, nobody will miss london.
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    lmaoo of course they won’t be deported.
    and trust me, nobody will miss london.
    Spoken like a true non Londoner
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Did you not once say that you intend to marry a foreigner and feel more Syrian than English anyway?
    who knows who I'll marry but I suppose I will. And yes,I don't really feel English,not that I can call myself that? British is more like it*
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Which no remainer or remoaner has yet been able to cite a source for

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    Gisela Stuart, who was chair and leader of the official leave campaign said:

    "Every week we send £350m to Brussels. I'd rather that we control how to spend that money, and if I had that control I would spend it on the NHS."

    The claim was challenged many times during the campaign - by Remain supporters and official statistic authorities. The opportunity for Leave to say "oh, we don't actually mean it... it's just all bluster really" was there, yet they stuck by it.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Cite a source for what?

    Also, the oh so hilarious 'remoaner' label I don't really think is applicable to me as I want brexit to go ahead (and be judged accordingly)
    Vote leave saying Brexit=£350m a week more to the NHS

    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Gisela Stuart, who was chair and leader of the official leave campaign said:

    "Every week we send £350m to Brussels. I'd rather that we control how to spend that money, and if I had that control I would spend it on the NHS."

    The claim was challenged many times during the campaign - by Remain supporters and official statistic authorities. The opportunity for Leave to say "oh, we don't actually mean it... it's just all bluster really" was there, yet they stuck by it.
    So now we've shifted from the campaign saying it, to a member of it saying it who has a total of no say on the matter?

    Makes a change from the usual "look at teh bus, it clearly says a bazillion pounds are definitely going to go to the NHS!!!11!!1!"
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Vote leave saying Brexit=£350m a week more to the NHS

    !1!"
    Here is Dominic Cummings director of vote leave saying it- is that proof enough?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJjShkGCa4c

    I also got sent a leaflet with that figure from vote leave and that figure is also plastered on their site.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Here is Dominic Cummings director of vote leave saying it- is that proof enough?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJjShkGCa4c

    I also got sent a leaflet with that figure from vote leave and that figure is also plastered on their site.
    That's hilarious, because so much of it is Tyrie saying "these two different things are different"

    I have a pair of leaflets in front of me right now, and I would guess one of them will be the one you refer to, one is the 5 positive reasons one, the other is the NHs leaflet, and this is what each one says:

    "We send over £350m to the EU every week... If we Vote Leave, we can spend our money on out priorities - like the NHS, schools, and housing"

    "Every week politicians send £350m of our money to the EU... If we stop sending millions every week to Brussels we could spend it on our priorities like the NHS...If we Vote Leave we will be able to spend a lot of that £20bn a year on the NHS rather than the EU"

    Nowhere there does it say that £350m a week will be spent on the NHS, in fact the latter explicitly states that there is no expectation for this to be the case.

    How about we change the wording and situation a little to this: "If my pay were doubled I would be able to spend more on my priorities, such as buying a new suit." Now, what does that say to you, that I will buy a suit that costs tens of thousands or that I will (technically could) buy a new suit, with no specified price?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So now we've shifted from the campaign saying it, to a member of it saying it who has a total of no say on the matter?
    She isn't just a member of the campaign. She was the leader and chair of the campaign.

    You asked for a source - and I gave it to you.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    That's hilarious, because so much of it is Tyrie saying "these two different things are different"
    ?

    I have a pair of leaflets in front of me right now, and I would guess one of them will be the one you refer to, one is the 5 positive reasons one, the other is the NHs leaflet, and this is what each one says:

    "We send over £350m to the EU every week... If we Vote Leave, we can spend our money on out priorities - like the NHS, schools, and housing"

    "Every week politicians send £350m of our money to the EU... If we stop sending millions every week to Brussels we could spend it on our priorities like the NHS...If we Vote Leave we will be able to spend a lot of that £20bn a year on the NHS rather than the EU"

    Nowhere there does it say that £350m a week will be spent on the NHS, in fact the latter explicitly states that there is no expectation for this to be the case.
    Except it's half that amount as the other half stays with us. It's like us taking out 359 out in cash but only spending half of it.

    How about we change the wording and situation a little to this: "If my pay were doubled I would be able to spend more on my priorities, such as buying a new suit." Now, what does that say to you, that I will buy a suit that costs tens of thousands or that I will (technically could) buy a new suit, with no specified price?
    Sure. Except the pay is the same, you have to pay lengthy sums to relocate to your new job and the new suit you've ordered is not in the colour or size you wanted.

    When you try and return the suit the shop keeper refuses and says that if you liked the colour he sent you and if you shrunk a couple of inches the suit would be perfect.

    Edit: oh and it turns out that you for even have the job after all and have to reportage your house and you can't afford the suit and are now in debt.

    http://www.gponline.com/brexit-leave...rticle/1401105

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