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    (Original post by welshiee)
    I will once the pound's value rises again. Cant buy them German motors at the moment as they're too expensive.
    :dry: well at least it will be German.
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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    You think our economy will be in a stable enough position to redistribute that money across all of the public sectors including funding the universities, to the same extent it has been?

    That money we will save by leaving the EU will be used to fill the gap that we currently recieve from the EU in terms of our farming industry, grants to small businesses, helping the poorest regions in our country, international aid, education etc etc.

    The fact that you haven't seemed to realised that we actually recieve money from the EU that is actually used in vital sectors and services within our country is concerning.
    I know we receive it but that's after we give it and therefore reduce our ability to fund from within.
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    (Original post by XcitingStuart)
    You're sick, and you disgust me with all your nonsense of advocating a one world government.

    I don't think I've ever truly been that disgusted by a remainer on this forum.

    Get lost, 'cos you're likely to cause me to have a stroke at this rate.

    (And the idea of a one world government is deplorable.)
    I'm not advocating a world government, I'm advocating a United Europe. I think sone form of world collective may be a good idea in the future (way beyond our life time). I don't know why that's so unpalatable for you. If causing you to think makes you have a stroke I can only pity you.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    I'm not advocating a world government, I'm advocating a United Europe. I think sone form of world collective may be a good idea in the future (way beyond our life time). I don't know why that's so unpalatable for you. If causing you to think makes you have a stroke I can only pity you.
    Out of pity then can you adopt a change in views? :hopeful::hope:
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    I seriously think people here are underestimating how hard it will be to get a work permit in the EU. This isn't the 60's and 70's when the economy was good and they were two-a-penny when such restrictions last applied.

    See here.

    '‘Under EU guidelines a company can hire someone from outside the EU if they can prove that there is no one in Europe to fill the job. The company will have to advertise the vacancy in Europe and use other channels to attract someone to the job.

    If they do manage to find someone the company will then have to apply for a work permit through their local government department, which is a long winded procedure and can take months. Most companies won’t want to waste time doing this, so they settle for someone else who could potentially do the job.

    Given the huge unrest and unemployment levels in Europe at the moment, the chance that a company will not be able to find someone within the EU is very small. There are too many people out of work…. So, only world class specialists in their given field of work might still be able to apply and get a work permit.'

    But of course even today in BoJo's leadership plug we get this breezy promise that

    British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer.
    ...

    Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry. Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which could be used on priorities such as the NHS. Yes, we will be able to do free trade deals with the growth economies of the world in a way that is currently forbidden.
    And I despair. He's a fantasist. How are you going to stop the EU retaliating? How can you make such promises when you have no plan or idea about what we are doing and have a promise of a points-based system against EU migrants that is certain to ensure that British citizens are treated as non-EU citizens? What kind of arrogance allows him to make these proclamations over the responses and laws of countries he has no control? Why on earth do these people have this bizarre idea that what we do will have no consequences back on us as if everyone else is just sitting around supinely wanting to do what we want?
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    (Original post by XcitingStuart)
    Out of pity then can you adopt a change in views? :hopeful::hope:
    In what? That in five hundred years from now we might not have a world government?


    Let me explain my reasoning.

    I am an empiricist. Aside from very minor biological differences for the most part (ethnicity) humans are more or less the same, and are governed by the same laws of nature and the same ethical laws. I'm a universalist. Just because a jihadist say has been raised to think that treating women badly is acceptable doesn't make it ok because that's his 'culture'. As such, we should all be subject to be same laws, roughly the UDHR. This therefore is far more important than something as subjective as sovereignty.

    Now this is roughly also what the ideology of Neoconservatism stands for. You might be interested to know that Neoconservatism also shares your horror of a world government though, and think that sovereign states should forever be engaged in eternal conflict between 'good' and 'bad' states. And that this is due ultimately to human nature.

    I do not ( and I think neither does the evidence ) believe that human nature is fixed or indeed that nation states is the end point of human existence. Every other type of system has been superseded by another. I find it amusing that people are arrogant enough to assume that nation states will remain forever just as before their ancestors said feudalism was the pinnacle of human endeavour., I think we are shaped by our environment and ideas. Either we will continually redefine ourselves and 'others' ( by competition or conflict) or we find that we are not so different and make a world in which we can all enjoy.

    Technology has changed the face of the planet. I could be talking to you from China and you would be none the wiser. Humans need not suffer for being born at the wrong place, and our interlinked lives will only cause greater hardship and strife if we try and resist.
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    I'm so glad a thread like this exists. I voted remain. Most of the people in my college also voted remain. They were all 'so angry' on Friday spouting about how we're a failing system and it's the end of the world because we're not staying in etc etc etc. because they clearly can predict the future. You can't have a rational conversation with any of them without it coming back to how we're doomed.
    I think it's ignorant of some people my age to act as if the country is 100% going to wither due to this decision. Obviously not everyone my age is like this and I'm obviously naive to a lot of political ideology myself still but I'd rather discuss this rationally without someone screaming 'LET'S MOVE TO CANADA' and accusing me of being some form of closet racist purely due to the fact I accepted brexit won.
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    We should think about years down the line as an independent nation, would we really by then feel no belief in ourselves, would we really then want to enter the EU? I think future generations will feel very differently.
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    lol this is now my fave EU thread...

    interesting to think in 50 odd years this will be in history books and lessons, and people will write essays about it...


    Q - '12 marker - To what extent was Nigel Farage responsible for Britain leaving the EU?'

    A: 'lol are u mad m8 it was fully the blonde one innit'
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    I voted remain, but I was swithering til the last.

    People are panicking and, I think, over-reacting. It's too early to tell what will or will not happen. What is clear is that Brexit is happening and we and our elected officials must now work towards to best outcome for the independent UK without letting latent notions of Remain to influence the course of our country from here.

    The economic shock is not a shock. Markets hate uncertainty and there's nought much more uncertain than the first country ever electing to exit the EU. Everyone should have seen the market reaction coming in case of Brexit, it shouldn't last once things start progressing and it becomes apparent (all being well) that the world realises how important an economy the UK actually is and how important it is to not let us fail on the basis of sour feelings because of the vote. Similarly a Remain vote would have seen the pound sky-rocket, but this would not have lasted.

    The effect this is having on the world economy is testament to how important we are as a country and economy.

    It's late and I'm not going to read over what I've written, hope it makes sense.

    Don't panic. Things are probably fine.

    EDIT: as a Scot I'm particularly worried that the SNP and a good amount of Scottish people are now seeing only Scottish independence as the solution without even considering contributing to the possible success of the UK post-EU. The same barriers to Scottish independence still exist (currency, oil, EU) and I think ultimately the indyref2, if it happens, will boil down to 1) do you want to be in the UK and out of the EU or 2) do you want to be out of both. The smart decision is to remain within the UK and realise that EU entry for Scotland is neither guaranteed nor on the immediate horizon.
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    (Original post by Cecily Neville)
    There isn't much decency trust me. My Facebook newsfeed absolutely shocked me. I actually wrote a status on Friday morning - which I never do, simply because I was truly astounded by the arrogance and hatred being spouted. And a few of my friends contacted me and said they had removed their hysterical knee jerk reaction status because of it which I am quite proud of. Did you vote remain or leave btw?



    Labour rebels are just hijacking the referendum result whilst there is sufficient attention on politics. How the cabinet is acting is literally disgusting and Labour's hope of ever being a true opposing force to Tory politics is going down the drain with the way the Labour MPS are acting right now.
    Yes, the Blairites are petulant children, still like Ostriches with heads firmly buried in the sand. They have not a trace of humility, or self reflection, it was Blair's legacy that got us to this point and threatened the UK's integrity. They are totally oblivious to why people didn't fall in line and do 'as they should', and how they lost their core vote. They are still just calling for more of the same looking like past remnants..

    When I see the superficiality, spite and contempt for democracy some remainers have, I feel increasingly sure of how I voted, but no I am not insulting all of them, you are clearly objective and very intelligent. The inhumanity and sneering towards the poor or uncool is their nastiest trait which oddly enough is see as a Tory thing. They see to think it's all made OK by cosmopolitanism and a few social liberal beliefs. I think maybe there is a lot of projection and another bout of self hatred going on with Labour, or New Labourites. They hate anyone leftist who moves Labour that way, and they also seem to know deep down that their claim to moral superiority over Tories is vapid; essentially that people can see they are frauds who represent the few. They have an existential crisis.

    That's off the top of my head, it may be total bollox.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    I'm not advocating a world government, I'm advocating a United Europe. I think sone form of world collective may be a good idea in the future (way beyond our life time). I don't know why that's so unpalatable for you. If causing you to think makes you have a stroke I can only pity you.
    It's people like you who give me some hope for our country.
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    (Original post by mgill17)
    I'm so glad a thread like this exists. I voted remain. Most of the people in my college also voted remain. They were all 'so angry' on Friday spouting about how we're a failing system and it's the end of the world because we're not staying in etc etc etc. because they clearly can predict the future. You can't have a rational conversation with any of them without it coming back to how we're doomed.
    I think it's ignorant of some people my age to act as if the country is 100% going to wither due to this decision. Obviously not everyone my age is like this and I'm obviously naive to a lot of political ideology myself still but I'd rather discuss this rationally without someone screaming 'LET'S MOVE TO CANADA' and accusing me of being some form of closet racist purely due to the fact I accepted brexit won.

    Have a google on what expert economists predict. And also google the open letter by 100 leaders of our universities. That might be a good place to start if you want to feel more concerned.

    Saying that I'd much rather be like you and be less aware of the consequences!
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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    Have a google on what expert economists predict. And also google the open letter by 100 leaders of our universities. That might be a good place to start if you want to feel more concerned.

    Saying that I'd much rather be like you and be less aware of the consequences!
    Stop being so patronising and fatalistic. Why would anyone want to feel more concerned anyway? Just because a load of people have declared concern surely concern should be a response to what we know rather than what we don't otherwise it is literally just anxiety and paranoia.
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    (Original post by G8D)

    The effect this is having on the world economy is testament to how important we are as a country and economy.

    It's late and I'm not going to read over what I've written, hope it makes sense.

    Don't panic. Things are probably fine.

    EDIT: as a Scot I'm particularly worried that the SNP and a good amount of Scottish people are now seeing only Scottish independence as the solution without even considering contributing to the possible success of the UK post-EU. The same barriers to Scottish independence still exist (currency, oil, EU) and I think ultimately the indyref2, if it happens, will boil down to 1) do you want to be in the UK and out of the EU or 2) do you want to be out of both. The smart decision is to remain within the UK and realise that EU entry for Scotland is neither guaranteed nor on the immediate horizon.
    I hope people such as yourself can make a political difference in Scotland, they won't take it in an inept, patronising form from the English. I think Britain has been, and can be into the future, a hugely successful country with the best of both worlds; global links yet solidarity and a relatively unified culture. I don't see what's wrong with pointing out it has been the most successful political union in history and can be again. But then, maybe I'm just a crazed dreamer who can't accept all the doom mongering....
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    (Original post by mgill17)
    I'm so glad a thread like this exists. I voted remain. Most of the people in my college also voted remain. They were all 'so angry' on Friday spouting about how we're a failing system and it's the end of the world because we're not staying in etc etc etc. because they clearly can predict the future. You can't have a rational conversation with any of them without it coming back to how we're doomed.
    I think it's ignorant of some people my age to act as if the country is 100% going to wither due to this decision. Obviously not everyone my age is like this and I'm obviously naive to a lot of political ideology myself still but I'd rather discuss this rationally without someone screaming 'LET'S MOVE TO CANADA' and accusing me of being some form of closet racist purely due to the fact I accepted brexit won.
    This I why I dislike our generation, the majority are brainwashed by social media and can't think for themselves. They are a movement of sheep who will trample you if you turn on them. Same thing is happening with trump and young voters in the US
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    (Original post by Cecily Neville)
    I wanted to create a thread where people who actually voted remain could chat about what they now think post -Brexit decision but without all this hysteria and hyperbole being spouted by a lot of the remainers.

    I don't want to talk about whether it should have been a referendum for people to vote in because it was.

    I don't want to talk about whether old people should be allowed to vote because they were and should be.

    I don't want to talk about this momentary and inevitable dip in sterling to justify how terrible leaving is for the economy. It's not even been a week.

    I don't want to hear unsubstantiated predictions.

    I don't want to discuss things in this doom and gloom attitude like omg everything is terrible I'm ashamed to be British what about my future wah wah ****ing wah.

    I wanna discuss the benefits of Brexit in the long term, how we mitigate the short term issues, what to take away from the vote in terms of political awareness and demographic turn out and how Brexit will affect the mood towards party politics in years to come.

    I want to talk to remainers who actually didn't get emotional and ridiculous about the vote and who are thinking pragmatically about the future of the U.K.

    I've had enough of irony and whinging from the remain voters and the sheer elitism and judgemental behaviour. I want to speak with other remain voters who are being rational and reasoned and not being divisive and stereotyping the majority of this nation.

    I have a few articles that I've read in the aftermath which have really resonated and made me feel positive about the future despite the fact the outcome was not what I wanted.


    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...economic-world

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06...-young-people/

    http://hurryupharry.org/2016/06/26/i...-north-gromit/
    Oh Cecily but are you not disturbed by the fact that it is the 50+ years old C1/C2 people who have dragged all of the youth out of the European Union? I mean, your generation is going to be around a little bit longer.
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    (Original post by William Pitt)
    Oh Cecily but are you not disturbed by the fact that it is the 50+ years old C1/C2 people who have dragged all of the youth out of the European Union? I mean, your generation is going to be around a little bit longer.
    I'm disturbed by the fact that the turn out amongst people my age was so poor relative to 50+.

    The age spread wasn't as extreme as people make it out to be either.

    Also whilst young people can educate themselves, older people have actually lived and experienced and so their view point is important too. People vote with their children and grandchildren in mind as well.
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    (Original post by Cecily Neville)
    Stop being so patronising and fatalistic. Why would anyone want to feel more concerned anyway? Just because a load of people have declared concern surely concern should be a response to what we know rather than what we don't otherwise it is literally just anxiety and paranoia.

    Why are you being so biased? I'm sorry but you so clearly did vote Brexit, because you haven't a balanced view at all. If you voted to Stay you'd at least accept the economists predictions as a concern.

    I don't get you at all. Yet again diminishing expert opinion. What is it about brexiters and their persistence in their own ignorance? Or is it an arrogance to continuously ignore the experts?


    And are you telling me, that when you made your vote, you did not base it on any prediction for the future of our country at all? Because if not, then what the **** did you base your vote on- if not a future prediction?
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    (Original post by Cecily Neville)
    I'm disturbed by the fact that the turn out amongst people my age was so poor relative to 50+.

    The age spread wasn't as extreme as people make it out to be either.

    Also whilst young people can educate themselves, older people have actually lived and experienced and so their view point is important too. People vote with their children and grandchildren in mind as well.

    Ffs you are such a thinly veiled Brexiter. I genuinely do not understand why you'd lie to random strangers on an Internet forum. I find it seriously pathetic.
 
 
 
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