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    It's very touching that you obviously hate meat eaters so much and consider them morally repugnant, yet you still want to convert them into vegans.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    I'm gonna say that the human would survive a lot longer than a cow on purely meat.Social conditioning seriously? Couldnt just be that humans like the taste of meat.Carnivore and omnivore babies dont just instantly kill their prey.Lion cubs and cheetah cubs have to learn to hunt from their mother they dont just instantly know how to do it.Its obviously in our psychology to deal with hunting and killing since we've actually been doing it for millenia.You're the one going against the entire scientific community by saying that humans are herbivores.Its agreed that humans are omnivores and I trust their opinion a lot more than the PETA website.
    You misunderstand, this isn't a race for who would die first on a pure meat diet.

    Humans evolved differently under different environmental pressures to cows. Cows are anatomically suited to digesting roughage including grass, grains etc. We evolved with a more varied diet and cooking which made it easier for us to break down substances.

    Yes social conditioning, the exact same thing that stops you from eating a dog or a cat. Answer me this: why cows, pigs and chickens? Why not horses, cats and dogs? I'm sure you'd like the taste of insect too, doesn't mean you should consume them.

    Oh, we've been doing it for millennia. I'm sorry, I was just talking about myself, I personally wouldn't be able to kill an animal and I highly doubt I'd go crazy at the smell of blood and the sight of intestines, but maybe that's just me.

    I said that humans do best on a plant based diet and are thus herbivores. Just because we eat animals doesn't make us omnivores. The entire scientific community agrees that a vegan diet is healthier. Complete disregard for your own health is fine by me though Believe what you want. Meat is healthy af for sure!!!11
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    (Original post by jaffacakes101)
    Humans don't eat raw meat because we don't have the stomach acidity that carnivores and omnivores have to prevent food poisoning. Therefore humans cook meat and this suggests humans are herbivores.

    Here is a link you should you should look at:

    http://prime.peta.org/2009/10/yes-it...nt-to-eat-meat

    Humans can eat raw meat as other people have pointed out on this thread.Other animals can get ill from eating raw meat but they eat it fresh wheras we store it then eat it so its more dangerous for us.Humans probably cook meat because it provides us with an evolotionary advantage over those early humans that didnt cook meat since we're less likely to die of disease.Hence our revulsion when faced with dead carcasses which are likely crawling with deadly bacteria.So there is an evolotionary reason for why we'd prefer cooked meat.If you're going to link websites please dont link to websites as obviously biased as PETA.The other day they claimed that pokemon go was animal cruelty.There are good arguments to advocate vegetarianism but dont claim that humans are herbivores because if you do you lose all credibility.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    don't claim that humans are herbivores because if you do you lose all credibility.
    Cats eat grass, does this make them omnivores?
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    (Original post by Romanoff)
    You misunderstand, this isn't a race for who would die first on a pure meat diet.

    Humans evolved differently under different environmental pressures to cows. Cows are anatomically suited to digesting roughage including grass, grains etc. We evolved with a more varied diet and cooking which made it easier for us to break down substances.

    Yes social conditioning, the exact same thing that stops you from eating a dog or a cat. Answer me this: why cows, pigs and chickens? Why not horses, cats and dogs? I'm sure you'd like the taste of insect too, doesn't mean you should consume them.

    Oh, we've been doing it for millennia. I'm sorry, I was just talking about myself, I personally wouldn't be able to kill an animal and I highly doubt I'd go crazy at the smell of blood and the sight of intestines, but maybe that's just me.

    I said that humans do best on a plant based diet and are thus herbivores. Just because we eat animals doesn't make us omnivores. The entire scientific community agrees that a vegan diet is healthier. Complete disregard for your own health is fine by me though Believe what you want. Meat is healthy af for sure!!!11
    We eat both plants and animals hence omnivores.Meat is healthy if you eat it sparingly and dont go over the top with it.You say you wouldnt be able to kill an animal but thats because you have the liberty of choice.You live in a 1st world country where food is mass produced and a lot of it thrown away.If you were starving and desperate you'd probably be able to eat an animal.We dont eat cats dogs and horses in the west but in other cultures they do eat them.Its just that we view them as pets rather than food.Plus dogs at least would have been useful to our ancestors.A symbiotic relationship we dont kill them because they were good for protection and they know that if they stick around they'll get the food leftovers.In this way dogs gradually became domesticated and we still view them as pets.
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    (Original post by Romanoff)
    Cats eat grass, does this make them omnivores?


    I have 3 cats.They go outside eat grass and 15minutes later they're sick.So no it doesnt.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    We eat both plants and animals hence omnivores.Meat is healthy if you eat it sparingly and dont go over the top with it.You say you wouldnt be able to kill an animal but thats because you have the liberty of choice.You live in a 1st world country where food is mass produced and a lot of it thrown away.If you were starving and desperate you'd probably be able to eat an animal.We dont eat cats dogs and horses in the west but in other cultures they do eat them.Its just that we view them as pets rather than food.Plus dogs at least would have been useful to our ancestors.A symbiotic relationship we dont kill them because they were good for protection and they know that if they stick around they'll get the food leftovers.In this way dogs gradually became domesticated and we still view them as pets.
    Meat isn't healthy, no matter how sparingly you eat it, you'll still be consuming devastating amounts of saturated fats and cholesterol without any natural dietary fiber for aid.

    I wouldn't be able to survive on animals, so I'd rather stick to farming crops which is easier and yields more.

    Yes, thank you for repeating what social conditioning means. If we felt the same way about cows, pigs and chickens as we do cats and dogs, then we wouldn't consume them.

    Dogs may have been useful to our ancestors but that makes no sense, if they provided an evolutionary advantage to our ancestors, why would they be eaten in other cultures? We're the same species after all.
    (Original post by Robby2312)
    I have 3 cats.They go outside eat grass and 15minutes later they're sick.So no it doesnt.
    Would you consider heart disease (the #1 killer of humans), among other things, as a sickness? If so... then you might be in for a surprise here.
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    (Original post by Romanoff)
    Meat isn't healthy, no matter how sparingly you eat it, you'll still be consuming devastating amounts of saturated fats and cholesterol without any natural dietary fiber for aid.

    I wouldn't be able to survive on animals, so I'd rather stick to farming crops which is easier and yields more.

    Yes, thank you for repeating what social conditioning means. If we felt the same way as cows, pigs and chickens as we do cats and dogs, then we wouldn't consume them.

    Dogs may have been useful to our ancestors but that makes no sense, if they provided an evolutionary advantage to our ancestors, why would they be eaten in other cultures? We're the same species after all.


    Would you consider heart disease (the #1 killer of humans), among other things, as a sickness? If so... then you might be in for a surprise here.
    I dont think you can say that vegan diets are always superior and eating meat is always unhealthy.There havent been enough studies on it and there are a lot of factors that influence longevity.A lot of people who have lived to be 100 + were known for smoking or unhealthy lifestyles.A lot of it is also influenced by genes, how much excercise you do and stuff like that.And anyway anything could kill me in reality.I could get hit by a bus tommorow.Is it really worth abstaining from alchohol,meat and dairy just so I may possibly live a month longer?

    About the dogs.I dont honestly know thats just a theory of how they came to be domesticated but you know google is your friend.You could find out for yourself if you wanted to.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    I dont think you can say that vegan diets are always superior and eating meat is always unhealthy.There havent been enough studies on it and there are a lot of factors that influence longevity.A lot of people who have lived to be 100 + were known for smoking or unhealthy lifestyles.A lot of it is also influenced by genes, how much excercise you do and stuff like that.And anyway anything could kill me in reality.I could get hit by a bus tommorow.Is it really worth abstaining from alchohol,meat and dairy just so I may possibly live a month longer?

    About the dogs.I dont honestly know thats just a theory of how they came to be domesticated but you know google is your friend.You could find out for yourself if you wanted to.
    Vegan diets ARE superior. There have been more than enough studies, and like you said google is your friend.

    Yes, plenty of people have lived to be 100 and they have been smokers, does this mean smoking is good for you? Genetics do influence how resistant and individual may be, I'm sure that luck has a role, however, are you willing to take this chance on your own life?

    Yes, indeed anything can kill you, but a fatalistic "live in the now" approach will I'm sure cause some degree of regret in the future when e.g. you're god forbid suffering from colorectal cancer.

    In the nicest way possible, I don't care whether you continue consuming meat, if you understand how detrimental it is to your health, environment and the animals, then my work here is done.

    Finally, I'm sure dogs were naturally and artificially bred because yes they helped us and we thought they were cute. But you claiming that they provided an evolutionary advantage doesn't make sense if you also say that other cultures eat them. We're all the same species, if they provided an evolutionary advantage then we wouldn't eat them, period.

    Thus my point that social conditioning into thinking dogs and cats are pets and cows, pigs and chickens are food. Actually now that I think about it, the cross-cultural thing proves my point also, different societies have different beliefs and values, i.e. one eats dogs, one doesn't = social conditioning (norms and values).
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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    Guys. Come on.

    Yes the OP is being over the top. But it is common knowledge that a vegetarian diet is healthier than a meat based diet. So no, I would not encourage eating one steak a day. I also think you are showing a blatant disregard for environmental sustainability and animal welfare, as well as a blatant disregard for human health.

    I think eating meat a couple of times a week is perfectly fine but the need to eat meat every day is just greedy.
    Meat is perfectly healthy as part of a balanced diet.
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    (Original post by Romanoff)
    Vegan diets ARE superior. There have been more than enough studies, and like you said google is your friend.

    Yes, plenty of people have lived to be 100 and they have been smokers, does this mean smoking is good for you? Genetics do influence how resistant and individual may be, I'm sure that luck has a role, however, are you willing to take this chance on your own life?

    Yes, indeed anything can kill you, but a fatalistic "live in the now" approach will I'm sure cause some degree of regret in the future when e.g. you're god forbid suffering from colorectal cancer.

    In the nicest way possible, I don't care whether you continue consuming meat, if you understand how detrimental it is to your health, environment and the animals, then my work here is done.

    Finally, I'm sure dogs were naturally and artificially bred because yes they helped us and we thought they were cute. But you claiming that they provided an evolutionary advantage doesn't make sense if you also say that other cultures eat them. We're all the same species, if they provided an evolutionary advantage then we wouldn't eat them, period.

    Thus my point that social conditioning into thinking dogs and cats are pets and cows, pigs and chickens are food. Actually now that I think about it, the cross-cultural thing proves my point also, different societies have different beliefs and values, i.e. one eats dogs, one doesn't = social conditioning (norms and values).
    Meat is healthy as part of a balanced diet.Its not healthy to just eat plants and only plants.Thats why a lot of vegans have to take supplements.And the dog thing does make sense because when they provided an evolotionary advantage the numbers of humans on earth were a lot smaller.As the number of humans increased and they no longer provided an advantage some cultures decided to eat them.The cross cultural thing doesnt prove your point because both cultures eat meat,if it was socially conditioned you'd get societies that dont eat meat.Since nearly every human culture has eaten meat or eats meat in some form it proves that eating meat is an inherent part of who we are and is not socially conditioned.And yes I am willing to take a chance on my own life because whats the point of living if you dont get to enjoy anything? Yeah meat might cause cancer but so could any number of other things.Pollution in cities is a major cause of illness perhaps I should just never enter a city again on the off chance I might live a couple of days longer.Maybe eating animals is cruel but you know the world isnt all sunshine and daisies.Nature is cruel and humans are part of nature.We're definitely not herbivores though and im bored of debating this now.
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    (Original post by pilock)
    Why does it have to be cooked?

    If humans are meant to eat meat- then why can they survive without eating meat and still be healthy?

    Just because you can do something it doesn't mean you are meant to do it. Just because you were born into a society were something is the norm- it doesn't mean it was meant to be that way. Just because something has been happening for thousands of years it doesn't mean it has to continue happening. All these arguments that are made for meat is weak.
    it need to be cooked because in chicken and other white meat bacteria like salmonella lives and the cooking process kills that red meat can be eaten raw just like fish but it tastes better cooked cooking also kills any bacteria or other nasties that may be on the meat from peoples hands or what have you.

    people can survive with out eating meat and still be healthy yes but then they need to take supplements like iron to keep fully healthy meat is the most convenient way to get all the vitamins and nutrients that allow you to stay healthy and perform to the best of you ability.

    I'm guessing your a vegetarian? let me ask do you eat eggs?
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    (Original post by pilock)
    But you just made the argument that humans were MEANT to eat meat because our ancestors did it. That was what you were basing your argument on. I am sorry but that is the same as saying men are meant to rape because our ancestors did it. It makes no sense it all. You cant have it both ways were you use our ancestors action to justify one thing but say you cant use it to justify something else.



    I am stating facts. I said most people get sick from eating it and that is a fact.

    Dont go round dictating to animals what they should do- its pathetic.
    no most people would get sick from eating some raw meats others like steak are ok and that is a FACT
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    (Original post by pilock)
    Are you really suggesting that you wont get ill if you eat raw meat? Its the number one cause of salmonella you fool.
    in chicken yes other meat not so much
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    (Original post by Romanoff)
    Cellulose, also known as dietary fiber is required within the human body, just because we cannot digest it doesn't mean we don't need it. Cows who eat purely grass MUST break down cellulose into glucose for respiration, and therefore have specialised digestive systems just for this process. We do not because of our very varied diet (and before you throw your personal opinions and say "yes including animals" - glucose is produced by plants and this is where every animal gets it from.

    But let me level with you, I only eat plants (and thus cellulose) I really don't know how I'm alive right now ://////////////// I can't digest it and every day is a struggle ://///////////// Please send help right away.
    Are you purposefully ignoring what I'm saying? I'm not saying we shouldn't eat cellulose, I'm not saying we don't need a source of it in our diet. I'm saying unlike herbivores we can't digest it.

    We'll start then with our much longer intestine than carnivores or omnivores*
    We don't have a longer intestine than Omnivores. Longer than carnivores, it's an intermediate length between the two; along with a smaller caecum, unlike the larger ones of herbivores (particularly ruminant ones).

    Care to use some evidence to back up your facts? Didn't think so.
    You first. You're the one spouting utter waffle, until you provide any evidence to suggest we are herbivores there's very little beyond pointing out how unbelievably wrong you are.


    Just plain incorrect. B12 is given to animals, B12 is produced by bacteria. Again, please use google.
    Wrong. B12 is derived from grass in the digestive system of ruminants and passed to us by consumption of their flesh or milk.

    I've been using facts and studies and you've been using personal opinions and mine are the ones not based off any kind of fact.
    You've used no facts at all.




    Let's compare PREDOMINANTLY to human diets today
    The **** does that mean? Your article doesn't back up you absurd claims - it supports what I have said repeated-****ing-ly - homo sapiens historical diet was a predominantly fruit and seed based diet, with meat sparsely.


    Please don't recomment without using some real scientific evidence yourself
    Or you could actually provide any support for spouting utter ****. You've done nothing but lie and make irrelevant snarky comments.

    Humans are BEST suited to eating a plant based diet - this makes us herbivores. Just because humans eat meat does not suddenly make us omnivores, we simply do not have the anatomical adaptations to deal with it .
    And yet we can digest meat :dunce:
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    The Good Lord helps those who help themselves.
    I swear somebody got chained to the rocks and repeatedly disembowelled by eagles over the whole thing.
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    (Original post by dmy15)
    If humans are meant to eat potatoes then why don't we eat raw potatoes?
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    There's nothing stopping us eating raw meat it's just usually nicer cooked plus the chances of getting a paracite or virus is rather less. you should see the meat in some countries where hygine and the quality of animals is poor... I cut into a steak in Madagascar and saw several little white things which upon closer inspection were worms

    (Original post by Good bloke)
    If the good Lord had meant us to eat raw food He would not have given us fire.
    Well in ye olde Greek stories didnt Prometheus steal the fire from Olympus and was somewhat punished for it?:P
    (Original post by The-Spartan)
    Have you never heard of a 'blue' steak? its basically just warmed either side. The middle is completely raw.
    Ahh sublime, seared on each side for a few seconds seals the flavour in nicely!
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    (Original post by Romanoff)
    What are those animals that consume plants called again? I completely forgot.
    Not going to bother responding to the rest until you decide to have a mature conversation, rather than abusing people and claiming they're disabled, but if this is the core of your argument it's based on an entirely false premise. Animals that consume only plants are herbivores. Having plants in their diet doesn't make them a herbivore any more than having meat in their diet makes them carnivores.
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    This thread... :laugh:

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