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    (Original post by da_nolo)
    denial?
    Delusional?

    In a parallel universe without religion, people like you would be sent to psychiatrists. Meanwhile in a parallel universe where God actually decided to reveal himself, people like me would just believe.
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    (Original post by anotheruserontsr)
    OK, look, here's the straightforward answer( I don't care whether you agree or not, this is what I believe is true, and simply because I'm trying to answer your question and perhaps even guide you to what I believe is the truth doesn't mean you should believe me):
    God exists.
    He made this world to test us.
    If life was perfect here, then what's the point of Paradise and Hell?
    Here's something to prove God exists:
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...31286987,d.d2s

    Also, if the question: God knows everything, why test us, pops up...then I believe it's due to US needing to know the results of what we do or what happened to us. For instance, take a person born poor...Poor=scarce food etc..
    This means us humans understand that the bad results of a state make that state a bad state, and a bad state shows us that the world isn't perfect. If those bad states happened to any other animal etc so that we can understand the previous points about bad states etc, then we humans wouldn't care as it isn't happening to us.,.
    If god made us so caring, we'd bother, then I tell you, the world would be severely affected. If he adjusted the world in a way that allowed for extreme care to affect it POSITIVELY and ONLY positively, then the world would be perfect!
    That's what I think, and believe is true, and God knows best.
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    (Original post by davidguettafan)
    It doesn't make any sense


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    I struggle to understand what 'god' is or how this metaphysical entity can exist and yet have traits of 'allowing suffering' that are explainable in the physical world. Suffering as far as we understand is a biological response of protective modality.
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    Delusional?
    oooo. rebuttal.

    In a parallel universe without religion, people like you would be sent to psychiatrists. [/Quote] Or killed. Its called communism.

    Meanwhile in a parallel universe where God actually decided to reveal himself, people like me would just believe.
    We call Him Jesus. But believing isn't everything either. Jesus had Judas and walked among non-believers who had faith. Har. Free will. But you are half way there.
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    (Original post by anotheruserontsr)
    Also, if the question: God knows everything, why test us, pops up...then I believe it's due to US needing to know the results of what we do or what happened to us. For instance, take a person born poor...Poor=scarce food etc..
    This means us humans understand that the bad results of a state make that state a bad state, and a bad state shows us that the world isn't perfect. If those bad states happened to any other animal etc so that we can understand the previous points about bad states etc, then we humans wouldn't care as it isn't happening to us.,.
    If god made us so caring, we'd bother, then I tell you, the world would be severely affected. If he adjusted the world in a way that allowed for extreme care to affect it POSITIVELY and ONLY positively, then the world would be perfect!
    That's what I think, and believe is true, and God knows best.
    What do you mean by "state?"

    Like land/property or a state of being?
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    (Original post by da_nolo)
    What do you mean by "state?"

    Like land/property or a state of being?

    State= state of being
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    (Original post by da_nolo)
    here's the trick. if God doesn't exist (or the like there of) your suffering is okay. it is here, you deal with it. bad things happen. you blame humans.

    if God does exist. you shift the blame to God for bad humans as he made the universe in a way you don't like.

    God exists or doesn't - your world comes to be the same except for afterlife. where does this blame come from?
    Much like my suggestion that suffering is perhaps a man made concept that is possibly rooted in jealousy and sympathy/empathy, blame, as many consider it to be, is a defence mechanism, in which case, we in denial of the suffering we perceive, cannot deal with, understand, or solve it as individuals, and so find reason for it to exist, such as suggesting it to be by design, or the result of people indeed behaving in a way we do not approve of....

    For the sake of the OP, my argument is that if Gods are these omni-benevolent, omnipotent beings, why should they lack the same basic compassion, clearly evident in at least enough humans for a negative stance on suffering to exist, to use their clear power to have enforced a failsafe or counter-action to respond to unjust suffering? or perhaps that's just it - humans will never have solid proof of the Gods' existence, and as such, despite grandiose depictions, we can never paint them as these perfect beings, as we can't even count on them to support their creation. This would then make sense of the argument that they 'cannot intervene', as even the faithful are not entirely sure that they can count on these Gods - they describe in very human terms, in the sense that they won't help despite their potential to, and maybe we created a universal scapegoat (that we also act as an apologist for), because we cannot deal with the way that people behave, and the fear that we could do something about it.
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    Why is this world so corrupt ?

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    Why is this world so corrupt ?

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    Seven Deadly Sins and mans acceptance to them
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    (Original post by Marciaaaaa)
    God does not allow suffering

    Yes God may present certain circumstances to test your faith in him when you are growing closer to him but he Will never place you in a Situation you can not overcome.....
    An example of God testing faith in the bible is when God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son.

    God gave humans free will, . But it is unjustified to blame God for suffering. As Humans, we allow suffering as some of us choose to abuse our free will. With your free will you can choose whether to obey God or to disobey

    God tells us: “O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace would become just like a river.”—Isaiah 48:18

    GOD IS ALL powerful but he does not use his power to FORCE you to do anything. You are in control of your heart and your mind.

    God is a patient and loving God , there are so many words to describe him!
    Psalms 103:8
    "The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadf

    People are happy to blame God for certain circumstances but never want to blame the devil?
    God loves us SOOO much and how do we know this? Because through Jesus Christ, we can be forgiven for ur sins, we can be transformed, we can be saved from sin etc..the list goes on!

    but the devil hates us.
    Why does the devil hate us?

    The devil does not want you to have salivation through our Lord Jesus Christ. He wants you to perish with him in the end. He will use any opportunity to deceive you. Having no prayer in your life makes you vulnerable to his attacks as you have no protection from God/Jesus as you have no faith.
    1 peter 5:8
    "Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour."

    The devil doesn't have to attack you in obvious way. He can use demons to give you illness, (this is why we have illness that can not be explained by science) , difficult financial circumstances, conflict, addictions etc..the list goes on

    If you do not have a relationship with God you cannot see the difference between opportunities that God lays out for you and the opportunities the devil presents you with.
    God has great and wonderful plans for each persons life but the devil will do anything to prevent you fulfilling this
    The devil does not have to appear as a big red scary thing. He is logical, and he can easily deceive you through anything that may seem good. Do not underestimate him.

    God does not hate us if we sin.
    God hates sin but he loves the sinner.
    God does not expect you to be perfect, because you can't be completely free of sin, as we are human.
    Romans 3:10
    "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"
    Over abundance of sin does not bring anything positive to your life , it can only bring you problems

    God has great and wonderful plans for each persons life but the devil will do anything to prevent you fulfilling this
    The devil does not have to appear as a big red scary thing that torments you in the middle of the night. He is logical, and he can easily deceive you through anything that may seem good. Do not underestimate him. The devil wants you to fear him or to believe he does not exist. That is why he will come into your life with things that do not appear bad.

    If you ask God to open your eyes and your Heart, he will. Matthew 7:7
    ""Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to you."

    You have a void in your heart that can only be filled the love of Jesus. Without Jesus/God , you will search for other things to fill that void. But theyll never will .

    One more thing , it is not " the devil vs God"
    It is just God. God rules over everything . Therefore with God on your side, you have every reason NOT to fear the devil or any obstacle in your life that is "impossible "
    Deuteronomy 31:6
    "Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you."
    Amen !🙌🏿


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