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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    What you mean is paying someone less fortunate than you a pittance to do all the chores you're too lazy to do and too tight to pay the council to do.
    It's interesting how you deduced such a statement from my post. Please elaborate, with evidence.
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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    Until people stop expecting the state to run their lives for them, taxation will never go down. This is the one big issue I have with many on the Left.
    Which areas does the state run our lives that it shouldn't?
    The irony is that as a free market libertarian, you too believe that the state should run out lives, just in different ways.

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    Bam! Socialism for you. Worst part is the super rich don't get taxed much more... So it's only the high earning professionals that suffer from this
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    (Original post by marcobruni98)
    Bam! Socialism for you
    Low taxes are great! Until of course you or one of your family needs incredibly expensive, life saving medical treatment which means you'll either die or have to sell your house and take out a huge loan to fund it, potentially bankrupting you.

    And low taxes are great until you need to send one of your family into care at a cost of £700 a week.


    The short sightedness of some people is astonishing.

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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    It's interesting how you deduced such a statement from my post. Please elaborate, with evidence.
    Haha, looks like I was bang on the money
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Which areas does the state run our lives that it shouldn't?
    Healthcare, for example.

    (Original post by Bornblue)
    The irony is that as a free market libertarian, you too believe that the state should run out lives, just in different ways.
    There is no dislike for government; instead, its role should be minimised and where the individual is responsible for his or her own choices.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Haha, looks like I was bang on the money
    Giving up so soon? Shame.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Low taxes are great! Until of course you or one of your family needs incredibly expensive, life saving medical treatment which means you'll either die or have to sell your house and take out a huge loan to fund it, potentially bankrupting you.

    And low taxes are great until you need to send one of your family into care at a cost of £700 a week.


    The short sightedness of some people is astonishing.

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    He's 18, he thinks he's invincible. Real world is something that only happens to other people - and what kind of loser cares about them, right?
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Low taxes are great! Until of course you or one of your family needs incredibly expensive, life saving medical treatment which means you'll either die or have to sell your house and take out a huge loan to fund it, potentially bankrupting you.
    This is precisely why insurance exists.

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    And low taxes are great until you need to send one of your family into care at a cost of £700 a week.
    Previous statement.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Low taxes are great! Until of course you or one of your family needs incredibly expensive, life saving medical treatment which means you'll either die or have to sell your house and take out a huge loan to fund it, potentially bankrupting you.

    And low taxes are great until you need to send one of your family into care at a cost of £700 a week.


    The short sightedness of some people is astonishing.

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    Or I could just way the £700 with my £100000 a year... God forbid anyway
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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    This is precisely why insurance exists.



    Previous statement.
    And if you can't afford insurance? Do we just let you die?


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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    Healthcare, for example.



    There is no dislike for government; instead, its role should be minimised and where the individual is responsible for his or her own choices.
    Why is an individual responsible for their own choices in health but not defense? What does 'responsible for their own choices' even mean?
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    And if you can't afford insurance? Do we just let you die?
    If the insurance industry is left open to competition, premiums prices will fall to a level people can afford.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Why is an individual responsible for their own choices in health but not defense?
    Are you referring to defense of the realm or self-defense?

    (Original post by Bornblue)
    What does 'responsible for their own choices' even mean?
    What it says.
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    (Original post by marcobruni98)
    Or I could just way the £700 with my £100000 a year... God forbid anyway
    And pay £350000 a year just on that? How about if you need a life saving operation, say treatment costing hundreds of thousands, what do you do then? What about the roads and schools, who pays for them? How about the police, government and the courts, who pays for them?

    So you seem to want all these things but not to have to pay for them.

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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    This is precisely why insurance exists.



    Previous statement.
    The NHS is a massive state run health insurer.
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    I'd love to see how these rich city suits cope without the people who clean our streets and their offices. Without the people who build their homes and office buildings. Without the people who sell them their food and make their morning coffee. Without the people who drive their buses and trains. Without the people who sell them their clothes. Without the people who maintain our roads and our street lights.

    There are many 'little people' who are needed to keep rich people's lives running. Our cities and towns wouldn't function without them. No-one is self-made. No-one earns money without living in a society that helps them. They work as hard (often harder) as you. They are necessarily. You do not make money without them. Your job isn't more important. And if they can't afford to live in your cities, they will leave and no-one will do those jobs and your lives will fall apart.
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    (Original post by _Sinnie_)
    Also remember, the baby boomer generation are a disgrace when it comes to any kind of future planning. They took, took and took and gave no thought to the future. Modeling your expectations on them is a sure fire way to causing the next financial crisis.
    How true.

    Mother****ers.
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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    Are you referring to defense of the realm or self-defense?



    What it says.
    Defense.
    Well it doesn't say a great deal. Please expand why we are responsible for our own health but not say our policing? Why should the latter not be privatised?

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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    If the insurance industry is left open to competition, premiums prices will fall to a level people can afford.
    That myth again? The same out that was spread when various public services were privatized, which only resulted in costs increasing so that private companies could make a large enough profit?

    https://corporatewatch.org/news/2014...%C2%A3250-year

    To satisfy investor expectations, the bills and fares charged by the privatised companies continually outstrip inflation. Between 2007 and 2013, household gas and electricity bills rose in real terms by 41% and 20% respectively. In real terms, water bills have increased by 50% since privatisation, while rail fares are 23% higher than they were in 1995.
    The model you are suggesting didn't work out for America, so why are so so eager to force it on the UK?
 
 
 
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