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    (Original post by Josb)
    I am annoyed by those comparing the treatment of Jews by the Nazis with that of Muslims today.

    In the 19th century, Jews tried to conceal their identity and integrate as much as possible. They changed their names, left the ghettos to mix with other people, also marrying them, wore plain clothes, many also left their religion for Christianity or atheism, etc. This visual "disparition" of the Jews combined with their amazing economic and intellectual success led to conspiracy theories about the "Jewish plot". The Nazis wanted to reverse all the progress they had done by making them visible again: they send them back in the ghettos, forbade mixed marriage, forced them to wear a yellow David star, labelled their businesses as "Jewish", etc.

    Nowadays, many Muslims chose to differentiate themselves from the rest of society by wearing specific clothes in all occasions, loudly claim a specific diet, live in specific neighbourhoods, reject mixed marriages, brand all their businesses as "halal", ostracise converts, etc.

    The rest of society would like them to adopt the same attitude as the Jews in the 19th century, but they unfortunately choose to segregate themselves!

    This attitude is the real vector of division, don't put the blame on people that don't accept that.
    Hear hear. It's outrageous for people to compare the treatment of Muslims today to Jews in Nazi Germany - people who faced actual persecution.
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    You are telling me if I open a restaurant, it doesn't belong to me but everyone?
    You're arguing with someone who genuinely attempted to argue on here that employees of a business have just as much ownership rights to the business as the person who actually owns it, You're not going to get very far trying to reason with him.........
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    (Original post by Josb)
    I am annoyed by those comparing the treatment of Jews by the Nazis with that of Muslims today.

    In the 19th century, Jews tried to conceal their identity and integrate as much as possible. They changed their names, left the ghettos to mix with other people, also marrying them, wore plain clothes, many also left their religion for Christianity or atheism, etc. This visual "disparition" of the Jews combined with their amazing economic and intellectual success led to conspiracy theories about the "Jewish plot". The Nazis wanted to reverse all the progress they had done by making them visible again: they send them back in the ghettos, forbade mixed marriage, forced them to wear a yellow David star, labelled their businesses as "Jewish", etc.

    Nowadays, many Muslims chose to differentiate themselves from the rest of society by wearing specific clothes in all occasions, loudly claim a specific diet, live in specific neighbourhoods, reject mixed marriages, brand all their businesses as "halal", ostracise converts, etc.

    The rest of society would like them to adopt the same attitude as the Jews in the 19th century, but they unfortunately choose to segregate themselves!

    This attitude is the real vector of division, don't put the blame on people that don't accept that.
    A much underrated post.
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    France deserves the **** it gets. I am not even Muslim but yeah, makes me ****ing lol when they are surprised why Muslims despise them.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    You weren't against discrimination of non-Muslims and men for the burkini-day at the French aquatic park:

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=4238678
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    (Original post by James.Carnell)
    France deserves the **** it gets. I am not even Muslim but yeah, makes me ****ing lol when they are surprised why Muslims despise them.
    France deserves things like the Bataclan attack in which over a hundred people got murdered and many tortured (including - but not limited to - eyes getting gouged out and castrations), the attack in Nice, having priests beheaded during services, to live in perpetual fear of of more of the same and to have their Jewish population under constant harassment?
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    the Nazis had a very strong mystique, tied to Germanic mythology, "Blut und Boden", the original Germanic forest, but also irrationalist philosophers etc etc

    they referred to a vastly imaginary past, the time of the Volkerwanderung, and then of the first Germanic Emperors

    to a certain extent, they can be considered as the last offshoot of degenerate German irrationalism/romanticism ..

    Personally, I see many analogies between movements such as National Socialism or Communism and religions. But this is a huge subject in itself

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    The early history of Nazism was indeed influenced by occultism, notably in the Thule Society.

    https://books.google.fr/books?id=9Zz...page&q&f=false

    Here is what their leader, Sebottendorff said after the capitulation of Germany in 1918:

    "Yesterday (Nov. 8, 1918) we experienced the collapse of everything which was familiar, dear and valuable to us. In the place of our princes of Germanic blood rules our deadly enemy: Judah. What will come of this chaos, we do not know yet. But we can guess. A time will come of struggle, the most bitter need, a time of danger... As long as I hold the iron hammer (a reference to his Master's hammer), I am determined to pledge the Thule to this struggle. Our Order is a Germanic Order, loyalty is also Germanic. Our god is Walvater, his rune is the Ar-rune. And the trinity: Wotan, Wili, We is the unity of the trinity. The Ar-rune signifies "Aryan," primal fire, the sun and the eagle. And the eagle is the symbol of the "Aryans." In order to depict the eagle's capacity for self immolation by fire, it is colored red.

    From today on our new symbol is the red eagle, which warns us that we must die in order to live."

    :lolwut: :lol:
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    (Original post by HAnwar)
    Discrimination against anyone is wrong, this is something you learn in primary school.
    Says a lot about you if you try and defend such actions whatever the reasonings are behind it.
    Absolutely.
    I agree with your condemnation of all forms of discrimination, intolerance and inequality.

    Oh, hold on....
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    I think it's because Ethan doesn't know me well enough so thinks I'm a bigot.
    Well, you think that everyone who willfully refuses to think like you is the vilest of creatures and should be tortured for all eternity.

    Sounds pretty bigoted to me.

    But then, maybe I just don'y know you well enough.
    Does that argument apply to all the accusations of bigot, Islamophobe, etc, thrown around so casually by Islam apologists on here?
    Guess not.
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    No, it's simply how you determine somebodies attitudes as racially prejudiced, making them a racist person. It's not rocket science.
    You're ignoring everything the term entails. Words aren't just words, they have meaning beyond their definition. Pejoratives of this kind are silencing tactics.
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    (Original post by oShahpo)
    True, but in that case he is a bigot, by dictionary definition, so the use of the pejorative could not have been better placed.
    I don't care whether or not it is an accurate definition, calling him a bigot will not further discussion, it will silence it. It's not constructive to label people as a means of dismissing them
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    But there is no rational basis for his actions. Even if it was true that all Muslims were terrorists why would denying them service solve anything. Due to the irrationality of the decision we can only conclude an externality is at play: in short, that he is an Islamophobic bigot.

    If you think that's jumping the gun, can you advance any other explanation at all for his actions?
    I'm not apologising for him. I'll say this again: I am disagreeing with the tactics and mindset of his opponents. Calling someone a bigot or an islamophobe adds nothing constructive to a discussion, all it does is silence one side. If we can't have a free and open discussion about an issue, whether you think the opposition is reasonable or not, what does that make us?
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    BRB, being arachnophobic towards tall buildings. Homophobic towards sharks. This is as dumb as when people say prejudice towards those who follow an ideology (Islam) is racist.
    While criticism of a religion is perfectly valid, discriminating against people for simply being of a cultural or religious background (such as banning all Muslims) is certainly bigotry, which while not racism can be just as bad.


    Criticising a religion is fine, discriminating against people of that religion is not.
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    Banning Muslim women from being served in a restaurant will liberate them.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Well, you think that everyone who willfully refuses to think like you is the vilest of creatures and should be tortured for all eternity.

    Sounds pretty bigoted to me.

    But then, maybe I just don'y know you well enough.
    Does that argument apply to all the accusations of bigot, Islamophobe, etc, thrown around so casually by Islam apologists on here?
    Guess not.
    Ethan didn't get the sarcasm in my post. If he knew me well enough he would have understood. That's what I meant. Got it pal?
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    Islam is an ideology which people choose to follow. Homosexuality is genetic and can't be changed.
    thats YOUR opinion...
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    Is it wrong yes

    Should we give the government enough power to enforce people into relationships with people? No, people should be able to serve who they want let the customers decide if they want to go there or not.
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    (Original post by teenhorrorstory)
    This is relevant how?
    I was discussing something related to the subject that the person I was replying to was talking about, and hoping to make him see the subject from a different perspective.
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    (Original post by ELVsLP)
    thats YOUR opinion...
    Backed up by science.
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    tbh it is a bit sad but i (hijabi) personally am a passive person so i would just leave and try to get over the shock because nobody expects to be kicked out of anywhere do they? i dont think it would occur to me to change the law or whatnot, or call them racist though... as an enthusiast of french culture (yh ironic ikr) i can confidently say that PC is irrelevant in france, they will do what they please
 
 
 
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