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Jesus, we have some utter morons on here. He is dead, stop with all your conspiracy theory ****e. I suppose you all think Michael Jackson is still alive too? Cus " WHERE IS DA PROOF?! I WANNA SEE A PIC OF HIM DEAD!11" Maybe you also think 9/11 was a conspiricy by the U.S aswell.

Body buried at sea so his grave was not a shrine to all those ****ing nutters out there.
I have no doubt pictures will be leaked as well.

Why would they even make this up? If he is still alive then he should make another video. He is dead, end of. Jesus, so many people want to be "alternative" and "against the man" it's just ****ing sad.
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7 am waking up in the morning gotta be fresh gotta go downstairs gotta have my bowl gotta have cereal seeing everything and time is going ticking on and on everbody's russian gotta get down to the bus stop gotta catch my bus i see my friends kicking in the front seat sitting gotta make my mind up which seat can i take? its friday friday
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(Original post by Tommyjw)
Umm what?
You mean by the fact the media is all saying the same things? Because they all get news simultaneously? And because the news comes in slowly from US officials and such? Great logic there

How do you know they COULD of taken him like that? Every single one of your arguments is based on assumptions. No1 have i said they HAD to kill him, but their is justification for doing so.. whereas all you keep saying is 'they could have taken him, could have captured him' bla bla bla.
I'm saying it lacks transparacy. I know they "COULD of taken him like that" because if they can't take an unarmed suspect from his home with no other threat then I don't think they sent in Navy Seals and just sent in a few kids who like to play Call of Duty.

My arguments are based on the statements the Obama administration have announced. If you can't provide logical responses to my arguments then don't.
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(Original post by velocet)
My arguments are based on the statements the Obama administration have announced. If you can't provide logical responses to my arguments then don't.
What arguments are you on about? You have stated no argument :facepalm:

God your posts of full of such embarrassing holes.
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(Original post by Tommyjw)
What arguments are you on about? You have stated no argument :facepalm:

God your posts of full of such embarrassing holes.
That the US broke international law in going into Osama Bin Ladens place of residence in Pakistan where they had no jurisdiction.

That's my argument, another thing I pointed out (there's actually no argument about it) that the U.S is self exempt from international law.
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(Original post by velocet)
That the US broke international law in going into Osama Bin Ladens place of residence in Pakistan where they had no jurisdiction.

That's my argument, another thing I pointed out (there's actually no argument about it) that the U.S is self exempt from international law.
Sure, I agree. International Law was put in for good reason.

However, the US really doesn't care about International Law. Even when it is in obvious violations like in Nicaragua.
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(Original post by DorianGrayism)
Sure, I agree. International Law was put in for good reason.

However, the US really doesn't care about International Law. Even when it is in obvious violations like in Nicaragua.
True indeed. Can't wait till the US economy collapses, the dollar is no longer the worldwide currency and their position as a global power just generally dissipates.
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(Original post by velocet)
True indeed. Can't wait till the US economy collapses, the dollar is no longer the worldwide currency and their position as a global power just generally dissipates.
Lol...well, I wouldn't go that far.

When/If the American Economy collapses so will everything else. It isn't a moment I am looking forward to.
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(Original post by Stefan1991)
Yes because we all believe that story that wasn't just made up to make them look bad :rolleyes: And to excuse shooting a defenceless woman :rolleyes:

Christ aren't people so naive they lap up the stuff the government tell them.



Why would you storm the house of a frail unarmed defenceless old man to murder him but then try to be so careful and considerate by fulfilling his wishes and giving him a proper burial? Massive contradiction.
First of all - on what assumption is he frail?
Secondly we don't know if he was unarmed, but his guards certainly weerent.
Thirdly its because of the Islamic faith, if you don't respect someone's death then it is gravely disrespectful and could end with even worse consequences. Plus he had to be buried within 24 hours, and Saudi Arabia didn't want his body and they didn't want to lay him to rest.
They've been planning his death and what they'd do with the body for months - and consulted many Islamic experts on the topic and they all said that that was the most appropriate way to lay him to rest if there was no suitable land alternative - and Saudi Arabia (the place of his birth) didn't want him.
Lastly just because they rushed through his house doesn't mean that they can't be respectful of his body in death. Would you have preferred if they knocked on the door and asked Mr Frail Old Man to be taken by hostage, pretty please?

It's not a contradiction - it's what you do in an exceptional circumstance.
What else could they have done? Dumped his body in the tip?
Get real.
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(Original post by LawBore)
So, whether they release photos or not you still won't believe it? Why, then, should they even bother?
Pfft, why should we believe photo evidence? I for one don't even believe Communist China even exists, I've only ever seen photos and videos of it which are all obviously Photoshopped. It's all a hoax to keep us in line and take away our manufacturing industry and give it to the Germans! The Kuomintang is obviously still in power and they still subsist on a mostly agrarian economy.

Oh, and Hitler died in 1979 in exile in Peru and not in the Fuhrerbunker - no photographic evidence.
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Hey guys a couple of things that are pissing me off right now...

1: http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/m...torture-debate

2:http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...-laden-hideout

3:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...den-death-raid

4:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9627855
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A healthy level of critical thinking about the government is one thing, but it seems like half the people on this thread are suffering from massive paranoia.

If he wasn't dead, the USA would be ****ed when it came out that they were lying. The losses would be too big to make it worth lying to begin with.
He's dead.
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(Original post by KissMyArtichoke)
As I understand it, he was shot and killed in a fire fight/ stand-off, and not executed. There's a difference
BBC news have reported today that Osama was unarmed....

Why do you think they are delaying the release of footage from the helmet cams, it's because it was a full out execution by a bunch of gung ho rednecks.
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(Original post by Addzter)
I'm pretty certain they're going to release photographs. Whilst they're understandably nervous about the pictures having the potential to inflame the situation, I think those nerves are outweighed by the fact that the public seeing Bin Laden's corpse - the USA's sworn enemy since 9/11 - will really give the government a boost (and put to rest somewhat the potentially damaging conspiracy theories).
I find it rather unsavoury that they feel it necessary to show off pictures of a dead body, especially for such bloodthirsty and idiotic purposes. It reminds me of sticking murderers' heads on poles in a town village. The US government should retain more dignity than that.
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(Original post by Tommyjw)
Not sure how he has died, haven't listened in about it for a good half a day so not sure that the 'latest official' thing is about it. All i know about the latest news is that he 'resisted but was not armed'

Well according to a lot of people (including important US officials) there is no way he could of been hiding. Someone somewhere in Pakistan knew and helped. The area he lived in required people to essentially 'sign in and sign out' so unless those military were directly involved... he basically never left.
(Plus a article from wikileaks states that the US knew Pakistan were helping him., something like that)

Pictures are coming, don't worry. I do agree we need them. But tbh.. 1) The conspiracy theorists will find reasons to not believe the pictures & 2) I do honestly see the logic behind not showing them.

Don't take this the wrong way, i'm not saying you are stupid for asking the questions. Just trying to make more sense of some of the questions some people are asking.
Agreed.
The conspiracy theorists will say something like..ohh why take so long to release it?..oohh Photoshop etc etc etc..
And of course, by releasing the photos they will infuriate the extremist islamist groups
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Why is that pissing you off?
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(Original post by vilongo)
That's your problem though: you're speculating on mere opinion than reading about the actual situation. I understsnd that skepticism needs to be applied when speaking of politics, but the information being circulated doesn't jjust come in text, it comes in video and pictures. The problem in releasing these things is that the its q risk to do so since we still live in countries that sustain these extremist. Though I think me and you would agree that living in fear isn't exactly our choose of Joe, we also must consider these presumed retaliation scenarios, and the lives thst might be taken. I honestly do believe that they should release these pictures and videos. I just don't think that reasons that might not suffice our expectation are reasons in itself to not at least give credence to the information beobg circulated . I had strong doubts myself about his death. Now I'm more wondering when they're going to release these videos.
What videos are you talking about?
You're talking as if they definitely exist, but how do you know for sure? Because you were told that they do by the same people who told us that he's dead? Marvellous :rolleyes:

I'm going to remain dubious until I see concrete evidence of his death.
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He should have been tried and punished by an international criminal court.

Discuss.
And what should have been his punishment life imprisonment out in two years for good behaviour, or maybe plead insanity so bleeding heart liberal tits like you would go "ahh it wasnt his fault put the poor little thing in a nice padded room then let him run in the sunshine"

And who would try him, theres not a country in the world who wouldnt be biased against him?

And how do you guard against international agencies finding out where he is and either freeing him or taking him out.

They shot him and that was better than he deserved.


(Original post by Psuedo)
Are you guys familliar with the Nuremberg Trials. These were again, bad men who we knew had done bad things. They all got a trial though. The location of his trial would not have had to been made public, all that needed to be known was that we don't operate under the same rules as terrorists.
Oh please the nuremberg trials were a farce - the outcomes never in doubt - not to mention it was a lynch mob hiding behind legailty.

I dread the day people like you get into power with your softy softy approach, youl be making prisons into five star hotels and turning murderers and rapists outwithin hours.
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yh i want evidence, so do alot of real americans and so do the taliban
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It now appears that he was unarmed .Why not shoot him in the leg and give him a trial if he even was responsible for 9/11?
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