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What videos are you talking about?
You're talking as if they definitely exist, but how do you know for sure? Because you were told that they do by the same people who told us that he's dead? Marvellous :rolleyes:

I'm going to remain dubious until I see concrete evidence of his death.
The Taliban have acknowledged and according to officials even the Al Qaeda are preparing to acknowledge it.

Plus i'm still yet to see why people think Obama would lie so easily. He is not lying about what he ate for breakfast.. he is on about killing the world's most wanted man. If it wasn't true then he would lose his presidency next year and the country as a whole would be embarrassed. Especially given these idiots who think they haven't even found him.. do they realize how EASILY Osama could just pop up in a video and embarrass the HELL out of America?

I understand a need for pure evidence. But every single thing points to it being the truth. Everything that has been said or done is logical + factual and all points to one thing with not one thing to say that anything is wrong.
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He should have been tried and punished by an international criminal court.

Discuss.
Yes, yes, yes!

He was unarmed. That's murder in my books.
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What videos are you talking about?
You're talking as if they definitely exist, but how do you know for sure? Because you were told that they do by the same people who told us that he's dead? Marvellous :rolleyes:

I'm going to remain dubious until I see concrete evidence of his death.
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If youd like to exercise your pyrrhonism, by all means brah.... it's your right as an extraordinary philosopher--yes you are--to enlighten me, and your prespectively retarded peers about suspending judgment, and reconfiguring our minds to think in "what-ifs". Of course, you have so persuaded me to think in a matter of fact pattern, since in sure everybody, plus the army who "supposedly" killed osama, probably should have doubts about someones death that fateful night. Some how, I feel like I'm the only one, along with you maybe, that actually knows that not knowing what I hear is an expedient method to find the truth. I feel as though everybodys judgement is totally irrational, and that they are all interpreting knowledge the way "other" people want them to think. God I so didn't know that. Thanks a lot brah, you really brighten up my day.
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Don't really understand why any of this is bothering you ...

1) Nothing to do with us, about the supposed 'torture' of people in the past. It is story for the want of a stor. It says it itself 'There clearly was no smoking gun of a direct correlation between waterboarding and finding this suspect'

2) Troops close to them, so what? They need an INCREDIBLY amount of intelligence in order to go in to somewhere for a reason. Even if they did a routine search they had NO REASON to believe anyone of 'importance' was there, thus it would be impossible to search such a 'fortress' without a reasonable direct link as to why.

3) Confusion about the raid and facts about how they got the intelligence he was there, don't understand anything wrong with this at all?

4) Again, don't understand any problem with this. An article ab out him being unarmed.. yes.. we know that already?
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Yes, yes, yes!

He was unarmed. That's murder in my books.
I'm sorry, were you there?
They have said he was a threat to the forces there. So unless you were one of the navy seals, i seriuously doubt whether you can comment on how 'easily' he could have been captured.

Worlds most wanted man + being a threat (so not knowing what he could do) + already been in 40 minutes of gun fights = shoot him in the head.
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Troll #2939298

If youd like to exercise your pyrrhonism, by all means brah.... it's your right as an extraordinary philosopher--yes you are--to enlighten me, and your prespectively retarded peers about suspending judgment, and reconfiguring our minds to think in "what-ifs". Of course, you have so persuaded me to think in a matter of fact pattern, since in sure everybody, plus the army who "supposedly" killed osama, probably should have doubts about someones death that fateful night. Some how, I feel like I'm the only one, along with you maybe, that actually knows that not knowing what I hear is an expedient method to find the truth. I feel as though everybodys judgement is totally irrational, and that they are all interpreting knowledge the way "other" people want them to think. God I so didn't know that. Thanks a lot brah, you really brighten up my day.
Wow, I can tell you woke up on the wrong side of your sister this morning.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me about these videos

(Original post by Tommyjw)
The Taliban have acknowledged and according to officials even the Al Qaeda are preparing to acknowledge it.

Plus i'm still yet to see why people think Obama would lie so easily. He is not lying about what he ate for breakfast.. he is on about killing the world's most wanted man. If it wasn't true then he would lose his presidency next year and the country as a whole would be embarrassed. Especially given these idiots who think they haven't even found him.. do they realize how EASILY Osama could just pop up in a video and embarrass the HELL out of America?

I understand a need for pure evidence. But every single thing points to it being the truth. Everything that has been said or done is logical + factual and all points to one thing with not one thing to say that anything is wrong.
It's like I said, I want to able to say that he is dead, drinks all round et al, yet I never trust a politician because it's in their nature to bull****.
I agree with everything you say; it makes sense for Obama to not lie, he'd effectively end his career as a politician by doing so.
But then take into account 9/11 and all the theories surrounding how "teh govermentz deed eet!", and y'know... *shrugs*
As I said, I'm not a conspiracy nutter. I just want evidence other than someone elses' say so.
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They see him rollin,
They hatin,
Navigating couldn't find him in them 10 years,
and then they shot him with no evidence :awesome:
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It's like I said, I want to able to say that he is dead, drinks all round et al, yet I never trust a politician because it's in their nature to bull****.
I agree with everything you say; it makes sense for Obama to not lie, he'd effectively end his career as a politician by doing so.
But then take into account 9/11 and all the theories surrounding how "teh govermentz deed eet!", and y'know... *shrugs*
As I said, I'm not a conspiracy nutter. I just want evidence other than someone elses' say so.
No, i understand.

It's just.. no matter what is said or done their will always be questions,m always be things that cannot tell us or show us and anything they do or don't will flame some conspiracy theories somewhere.

I mean.. what if they released photo's an hour after it happened? It would spark "Way too quick, must have been planned" theories and the like.

I do hope pictures are released though. I mean.. clearly they are going to be a bit brutal.. but surely it isn't hard for news sites + shows to simply say 'turn your kids away' before they show it xD

But then, i guess, a f'ed up face with a gunshot through it isn't the best thing to be put on daily tv . But i'd still rather have that than not.
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(Original post by Tommyjw)
I'm sorry, were you there?
They have said he was a threat to the forces there. So unless you were one of the navy seals, i seriuously doubt whether you can comment on how 'easily' he could have been captured.

Worlds most wanted man + being a threat (so not knowing what he could do) + already been in 40 minutes of gun fights = shoot him in the head.
Can you provide me a source that states that he was a threat to the forces on the night of 1st May? On a preliminary level, the forces entered his compound at 1am on the 1st of May, a time when you least expect a raid and the man was unarmed and may be in a state of shock.
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No, i understand.

It's just.. no matter what is said or done their will always be questions,m always be things that cannot tell us or show us and anything they do or don't will flame some conspiracy theories somewhere.

I mean.. what if they released photo's an hour after it happened? It would spark "Way too quick, must have been planned" theories and the like.

I do hope pictures are released though. I mean.. clearly they are going to be a bit brutal.. but surely it isn't hard for news sites + shows to simply say 'turn your kids away' before they show it xD

But then, i guess, a f'ed up face with a gunshot through it isn't the best thing to be put on daily tv . But i'd still rather have that than not.
Yeah I know, some people latch onto anything they can in order to prove that their "alternate truth" is correct. If nothing else, conspiracy theories make for good reading :lol:
NWO LULZ!

Yeah, the phrase "too soon" would've been appropriate. But it's been what, 3-4 days since his death? Apparently Obama is deliberating on releasing them. IMO it should be a 5 second decision, but that's just me :ahee:

If they had cleaned his face up after they shot him and taken a picture (yet you can still see the wound) then that would suffice for me. Shove in a short video of the "funeral" and that's case closed.
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Can you provide me a source that states that he was a threat to the forces on the night of 1st May? On a preliminary level, the forces entered his compound at 1am on the 1st of May, a time when you least expect a raid and the man was unarmed and may be in a state of shock.
A source that proves he was unarmed? ..
No .. in all seriousness.. you are asking that?
Ok well, off i go, but thanks for completely making me 100% you have no clue what you are talking about. Given this has been all over the news for roughly the past half a day. But oh well :rolleyes:

http://www.citizen-times.com/article...yssey=nav|head

'U.S. commandos who attacked bin Laden's compound were operating under rules of engagement that all but assured the al-Qaida leader would be killed'
'The assault force was told to accept a surrender only if they could be sure he didn't have a bomb hidden under his clothing and posed no other danger.'

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...cial-forces.do

From BBC news - 'Osama Bin Laden was unarmed when he was shot by US forces in Pakistan, but he resisted efforts to capture him alive, US officials say'
(Plus various officials have been saying it all day)

I don't really know what else to say.. all the stories essentially say the same thing.. it really isn't hard to go on to a news site and read it.. or watch the news and hear it from officials.

Oh and p.s.


It was a 40 minute fight.. when you have fighting going on around you for 20 minutes + .. you aren't 'shocked' . 'Shocked' is if you get attacked within like 1 minute of it beginning. So ya know. shut up
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Wasn't really the newspapers though was it... It was in fact a leader of a powerful nation.
And what a trustworthy source that is!
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The Taliban have acknowledged and according to officials even the Al Qaeda are preparing to acknowledge it.

Plus i'm still yet to see why people think Obama would lie so easily. He is not lying about what he ate for breakfast.. he is on about killing the world's most wanted man. If it wasn't true then he would lose his presidency next year and the country as a whole would be embarrassed. Especially given these idiots who think they haven't even found him.. do they realize how EASILY Osama could just pop up in a video and embarrass the HELL out of America?

I understand a need for pure evidence. But every single thing points to it being the truth. Everything that has been said or done is logical + factual and all points to one thing with not one thing to say that anything is wrong.
Everything is logical because it's a convenient lie. It isn't logical to slaughter a family inside their home from a planned attack and then dump their body at sea then claim that the person was the world's most wanted terrorist without accompanying the claim with evidence. And you cannot argue to the contrary until hard evidence is provided.
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So many bleeding heart liberals, he's dead and the world is better for it. Can't believe why anyone would want to stand up for him, it's soul destroying to read.
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Everything is logical because it's a convenient lie. It isn't logical to slaughter a family inside their home from a planned attack and then dump their body at sea then claim that the person was the world's most wanted terrorist without accompanying the claim with evidence. And you cannot argue to the contrary until hard evidence is provided.
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Slaughter a family? You mean the people shooting at the navy seals.. oh right ok.. not logical to fight back then.. your so right..

P.s. only one person was thrown to sea.. which makes complete sense as to why he was

Keep trying.. it's kinda funny .
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Conspiracy theorists - sometimes the world ISN'T out to get you. If Bin Laden was alive, a video would be released which would crush the spirit of every American out there. If he is dead and the Americans didn't actually do it, I'm not even bothered because it's increased Obama's popularity and I'd much rather he was re-elected than some crazy Republican.

One last thing, if it WAS a hoax, then they would have done it 6 years ago because no government wants to admit they've spent a decade looking for one man.
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Oh and p.s.


It was a 40 minute fight.. when you have fighting going on around you for 20 minutes + .. you aren't 'shocked' . 'Shocked' is if you get attacked within like 1 minute of it beginning. So ya know. shut up
Total nonsense. Think before you speak you imbecile. If you were ambushed by a load of armed forces inside your own home and you were found with your family, you would be shocked when you witness your own wife being shot and the rest of your family being shot before your eyes.
Bin Laden could have surrendered only "if he did not pose any type of threat whatsoever," White House counterterrorism chief John Brennan said on Fox television, and if U.S. troops "were confident of that in terms of his not having an (improvised explosives device) on his body, his not having some type of hidden weapon or whatever."
Why would a family man inside his family home at 1am be doctoring an explosive bomb inside his home? It doesn't make sense to have a bomb inside one's own home. It's an invalid argument unless a bomb was infact found within the compound, it doesn't have any bearing.
"He would have had to have been naked for them to allow him to surrender."
This just proves the fact that he wasn't a threat, they were adamant to shoot him even if he surrendered because apparently they had convinced themselves that he was carrying a bomb.
"some threatening moves ... that clearly represented a clear threat to our guys. And that's the reason they fired."
Thanks for this source but it's not good enough. How could he have made some threatening moves if he was unarmed? Common sense tells you that no ones going to keep a bomb inside their own house.
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1.If you resist arrest you have just start a fight and just raised your status condition from "Capture or Kill" to "Shoot to kill".Plus I heard the mission was a "Shoot to kill" anyway.

2.What he and others have commit are war crimes even against your own kind, so basically I don't think any country would have care if he died because he cause much death in the world already.

3.Think of what happen if he was captured? Attempts on his life by other Americans, Al-Qaeda would want trade other humans lives for Osama's life . There is also many other reasons but at the end he has been shot and now the problem ahead is "Do we still give money to Pakistan even if they have may or may not been harboring a terrorist.
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Total nonsense. Think before you speak you imbecile. If you were ambushed by a load of armed forces inside your own home and you were found with your family, you would be shocked when you witness your own wife being shot and the rest of your family being shot before your eyes.

Wrong. He has been involved in war for many years, he is used to gunshots around him etc. You would simply not be shocked 20-30 minutes after it started. Simple fact. Grow up and learn some logic. He may have been scared or whatever, but shocked.. no.

Why would a family man inside his family home at 1am be doctoring an explosive bomb inside his home? It doesn't make sense to have a bomb inside one's own home. It's an invalid argument unless a bomb was infact found within the compound, it doesn't have any bearing.

MAYBE BECAUSE HE IS THE WORLDS MOST WANTED MAN :facepalm:

He has said he would not want to be taken alive, he said he would rather die than be taken alive. So tell me.. if you were facing a guy who has said that .. with a known history of violence and work with bombs.. and he was making a threat towards you.. you would just ignore anything he says and does and try to capture him? Bless. So ignorant


This just proves the fact that he wasn't a threat, they were adamant to shoot him even if he surrendered because apparently they had convinced themselves that he was carrying a bomb.

He was a threat unless he was naked.. they threatened him, they shot him. Such are the rules of engagement. If you don't like it than take it up with the various variations of the Army and the hundreds of years of history that come with it.
You are literally ridiculously naive. Please shut up, you are boring and annoying.

Common sense says you wouldn't keep a bomb in your house? Rofl .. my god.. just proves how naive you are. He is former leader of the Al Qeada, the world's most wanted man.. a man who would rather die than be captured.. please for the love of god explain to me in your intelligent ways how it was stupid to think he may have a bomb.
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It now appears that he was unarmed .Why not shoot him in the leg and give him a trial if he even was responsible for 9/11?

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Yes, yes, yes!

He was unarmed. That's murder in my books.
Several sources say that he was reaching for a weapon at the time of his death.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor..._Raid_Will_Not

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/interna...aBxwPj3uzrAzfM

And even if this weren't the case, it could have been a strong possibility that he was wearing some a bomb so that when the SEALS tried to physically restrain him they would have all died as he would not have wanted to be taken alive.

Morals are easy when you're sat at home. Try applying them after a 40 minute firefight where your target could blow you up within seconds.
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