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Well if that's what you want :colone:
I'll make sure the death penalty comes into use first though thanks! And if it's not in legally, well - I'd about to die, so not got much to lose after killing lots of people who deserve it.
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If everyone was morally perfect we'd all be communists.
Weirdly for a staunch right-winger, I agree with you here.
I've always said in a perfect, morally sound, world we would all be communists. The issue is, human nature, biological instinct even, means we are not morally sound in any way, and thus communism and socialism which plays on morals is actually a very bad thing. If we could achieve it, worldwide communism would be good. We can't, and never will, so anything other than strong right wing policies are bad for the world and for individuals as far as I'm concerned.
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Think Ed and Natalie Bennett where the best there, Leanne improved and Sturgeon got the dig in at the end about the Tories or the SNP, but damn I liked Ed's challenge to Cameron at the end.

Ed stepped up big time, went on the offensive and managed okay in dodging the point about not working with SNP (and abandoning the views of the Labour fan base) to reiterate it's desire to avoid the SNP (to appeal to swing voters)

Still wish they'd abolish Trident mind.
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Weirdly for a staunch right-winger, I agree with you here.
I've always said in a perfect, morally sound, world we would all be communists. The issue is, human nature, biological instinct even, means we are not morally sound in any way, and thus communism and socialism which plays on morals is actually a very bad thing. If we could achieve it, worldwide communism would be good. We can't, and never will, so anything other than strong right wing policies are bad for the world and for individuals as far as I'm concerned.
I hear the sounds of shuffling paper for a VoNC right now:ninja: but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to achieve it, if we stop trying we can't win.
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Just a shame he couldn't have had a few choice words in Tony's ear 15 years ago!
Lol you think Tony Blair would help the Palestinians over Israel?
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I hear the sounds of shuffling paper for a VoNC right now:ninja: but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to achieve it, if we stop trying we can't win.
Hehe, in 6 yrs and God knows how many positions, I don't think Ive ever faced a VoNC on here. I've instigated a fair few, mindst... Always a first for everything!

I'm a cynical old man I know we can't win, so no point in fighting it. Make the best of the situation we have, which is Tory
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Hehe, in 6 yrs and God knows how many positions, I don't think Ive ever faced a VoNC on here. I've instigated a fair few, mindst... Always a first for everything!

I'm a cynical old man I know we can't win, so no point in fighting it. Make the best of the situation we have, which is Tory
You just expressed support for comunism, good luck

thats why I never will get the Tories, you just say 'we'll never make progress so why try' you are the party who stand in the way of progress due to cynicism and if you actually tried then we might just make it.
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I hear the sounds of shuffling paper for a VoNC right now:ninja: but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to achieve it, if we stop trying we can't win.
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Weirdly for a staunch right-winger, I agree with you here.
I've always said in a perfect, morally sound, world we would all be communists. The issue is, human nature, biological instinct even, means we are not morally sound in any way, and thus communism and socialism which plays on morals is actually a very bad thing. If we could achieve it, worldwide communism would be good. We can't, and never will, so anything other than strong right wing policies are bad for the world and for individuals as far as I'm concerned.
Don't worry - doing it now!
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I'm not a cynic, I believe slow and steady wins the race and that by being too radical/ideological you could throw all the progress away. Ultimately I wouldn't want to live in a fully communist state (unless it was like Star Trek where it seems to work somehow).
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I'm not a cynic, I believe slow and steady wins the race and that by being too radical/ideological you could throw all the progress away. Ultimately I wouldn't want to live in a fully communist state (unless it was like Star Trek where it seems to work somehow).
Star Trek is what I want, but is it fully communist?
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Moon was high and he was lonely,
the temptation reached him slowly,
it was a chance she couldn't miss,
heavens, kitty sent a kiss!

He was loyal to his miss,
but kitty was impossible to resist.
Terrified of claws and hiss,
he feared she was a Bolshevist!

Then it struck him, it was clear,
the dilemma could disappear,
let her join him and lie still –
a goal she could not fulfill.

I hope this truthful and passionate description provides adequate explanation of the events and an apology is therefore unnecessary.

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Well aren't you a poet at heart?
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Star Trek is what I want, but is it fully communist?
Depends on your definition. It certainly follows the principle of 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need' but then again I'm not a diehard fan so I'm not that familiar with what 'everyday life' is like.
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Depends on your definition. It certainly follows the principle of 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need' but then again I'm not a diehard fan so I'm not that familiar with what 'everyday life' is like.
Well its moneyless but there is hierarchy. And there is politics but its all about self improvement and thats what drive's everyone

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Well its moneyless but there is hierarchy. And there is politics but its all about self improvement and thats what drive's everyone

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Well you can't not have hierarchy. How would they get things done?

Its a good kind of communism.
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Well you can't not have hierarchy. How would they get things done?

Its a good kind of communism.
Aye exactly so its not full comunism.

I think a lot of people would like such a world...

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Aye exactly so its not full comunism.

I think a lot of people would like such a world...

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You can still (and invariably do) have hierarchy in a communist state. Its just that said heirarchy isn't based on social class or economic wealth.
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Well aren't you a poet at heart?
Something tells me you're not entirely satisfied, though. How could I make this right, dear Empress?
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You just expressed support for comunism, good luck

thats why I never will get the Tories, you just say 'we'll never make progress so why try' you are the party who stand in the way of progress due to cynicism and if you actually tried then we might just make it.
Not at all. We're doers rather than dreamers. Hard workers not scroungers. Rather than ruin the economy, and thus peoples' lives, trying to achieve something which IS impossible to achieve (because of human nature) we focus on where we can make progress. Where we can make improvements to the economy, and to peoples' lives. Not some airy fairy 'could' improve, like you get from you left wingers
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Not at all. We're doers rather than dreamers. Hard workers not scroungers. Rather than ruin the economy, and thus peoples' lives, trying to achieve something which IS impossible to achieve (because of human nature) we focus on where we can make progress. Where we can make improvements to the economy, and to peoples' lives. Not some airy fairy 'could' improve, like you get from you left wingers
You're describing a social democrat, not a callous, heartless Tory.
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I think it's one election too far for Dimbleby. He looked old and frail.

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I disagree. I do think though that Julie Etchingham was excellent.
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