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Yeah right the Americans invade the country which homes the holy city of islam! Isn’t worth thinking about!
You're the one who said religion came into it.

Anyhoo, America wouldn’t need to invade them as the kings play ball… if they didn’t then it would be a different story..
Ah, another proviso! Do you not notice hoe keep adding things in when it shows its not convenient for you.

Yes it is part of the culture now (stemming from their religion)…. And I went on to explain that culture is an ever changing thing (when you accused me of “coating” things)
Yes, I am making my point regardless of whether culture is changing or not. Haven't you got that yet? Jesus christ.

LOL! You just like arguing for the sake of arguing don’t ya![/quote

You do realise that we are debating and that this is a debate and discussion forum?

[quoteI will clarify once and for all… the harsh/inhumane laws of punishment has become part of Iranian culture… perhaps it always was or perhaps it wasn’t…. don’t really know! This culture of harsh punishment comes from the religion I guess (sharia law)….
I know that swhat you're saying - can you actually start responding to what I'm saying instead of repeating the same arguments - it would waste less of my time. Let me tell you again: what the regime does is distinct.

Yes it is something iranian government do (based on their religion; islam)…. It has become part of Iranian culture…. Not saying this was always the case, perhaps under different rulers they had a different culture… don’t really know!
If a regime does something does not mean its people approve you lunatic! Why don't you actually respond to points I'm making. When the government does something it does not automatically mean the people approve of it. Whats your evidence that the Iranian people approve of this? You don't have any - you're asuming based on what the government does. And please take note: you first denied you were talking about the people, then the culture, then stoning and now you can't see that your judgement is false.

Sure iran, Israel, America…. And a whole load of other countries are immoral, but then to get ahead you gotta be mean! Israel wouldn’t have formed otherwise eh!
Oh, good as long as you accept that its wrong and its not okay just because everyone else does it. And this isn't a discussion about Israel's existence, there is a thread for that.

L O L!
Yes, keep doing that - it only looks bad for you.
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[QUOTE=Folderol]You're the one who said religion came into it.



Ah, another proviso! Do you not notice hoe keep adding things in when it shows its not convenient for you.



Yes, I am making my point regardless of whether culture is changing or not. Haven't you got that yet? Jesus christ.

LOL! You just like arguing for the sake of arguing don’t ya![/quote

You do realise that we are debating and that this is a debate and discussion forum?



I know that swhat you're saying - can you actually start responding to what I'm saying instead of repeating the same arguments - it would waste less of my time. Let me tell you again: what the regime does is distinct.



If a regime does something does not mean its people approve you lunatic! Why don't you actually respond to points I'm making. When the government does something it does not automatically mean the people approve of it. Whats your evidence that the Iranian people approve of this? You don't have any - you're asuming based on what the government does. And please take note: you first denied you were talking about the people, then the culture, then stoning and now you can't see that your judgement is false.



Oh, good as long as you accept that its wrong and its not okay just because everyone else does it. And this isn't a discussion about Israel's existence, there is a thread for that.



Yes, keep doing that - it only looks bad for you.
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‘Looks bad for me’…. LOL! I’m not here to score points and make friends and rep and all that stuff.

America woulnd’t invade Saudi… end of…..

I’m not suggesting that all Iranians agree with the sharia law, but given that islam is part of Iranian culture, and the laws which stem from that religion become part of that culture… sharia law is in essence a part of Iranian culture even though some Iranians wouldn’t agree with this law…

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‘Looks bad for me’…. LOL! I’m not here to score points and make friends and rep and all that stuff.
I'm talking about in a debate, not socialising on a student forum. By teh way, do you notice how you're replying to less and less of my points now? If you don't want to debate I can't force you to, so just stop replying.

America woulnd’t invade Saudi… end of…..
Of course they wont! That's the point! If we use your argument, then they would - i.e, its about resources and religion and geo-politics. But it's not the case! If you think I'm arguing that American should or will invade Saudi, youi're just slow! I'm trying to show you that the motives you're going could be applied to Saudi.

I’m not suggesting that all Iranians agree with the sharia law, but given that islam is part of Iranian culture, and the laws which stem from that religion become part of that culture… sharia law is in essence a part of Iranian culture even though some Iranians wouldn’t agree with this law…
Stop trying to rephrase what you've already said and respond to my points! Just because a regime does something does not make it part of the culture. Iranians were Muslims a long time before the Revolution and the implementation of Sharia. Stop being so ignorant. Basic history of Iran would have told you that.
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Ah, so you don't see how retarded it would be to say "you're wrong about Hitler therefore you're wrong about Iran as well". You don't think its an ad hominem argument to say "you're wrong about x therefore you are wrong about y" - ridiculous. I thought you might have realised, at the least, you're reasoning is retarded.
I never said it makes you look wrong, I said it makes you look hypocritical. And stupid.

So you assumed that I thought Massoud was a saint because he was in my avatar? Right, got it. And then you go onto explain why you thought it was about more than just an avatar - because I said "What did he do?" - what a misleading thing to say. I asked that rhetorically, which is why I went on to answer my own question, you misleading fool. And please, get over yourself - history isn't restricted to what you know. You have now assumed that I don't know about Massoud - you're just full of assumptions and fallacies, aren't you?

Just out of curiosity, are you a Pashtun?
I think we both know you learnt a thing or two about your pin-up hero today.
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I never said it makes you look wrong, I said it makes you look hypocritical. And stupid.
Why don't you enlighten us all? How does having Massoud as your avatar make you look hypocritical and stupid?
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I think we both know you learnt a thing or two about your pin-up hero today.
Get over yourself, I know and have read enough Afghan history not to be "enlightened" by some chump on a student forum by presenting one link. I even gave you a source which actually admitted some of the stuff Massoud's men had done. But no, it must be the fact that you showed me an article (an article that I mentioned reading years a go) - thats what it is. :rolleyes:

And stop referring to him as my "hero" - he wasn't you lunatic. But no, you just carrying on assuming stuff. Putting someone in your avatar is not holding someone in high "esteem" - but again, you'll carry on assuming. And how convenient, you didn't mention anything about your misleading B-S.
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Why don't you enlighten us all? How does having Massoud as your avatar make you look hypocritical and stupid?
What a man to debate this guy, a person with Stalin in his avatar :awesome:
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What a man to debate this guy, a person with Stalin in his avatar :awesome:
As Stalin, perhaps I should take McCain's "bomb, bomb Iran" one step further and instead go for "rape, rape Iran".

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His 'tache was quite something though.
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As Stalin, perhaps I should take McCain's "bomb, bomb Iran" one step further and instead go for "rape, rape Iran".

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His 'tache was quite something though.
What do you think of my avatar? It's Ariel Sharon. :teehee:
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What do you think of my avatar? It's Ariel Sharon. :teehee:
I think it looks more like Ehud Olmert. :toofunny:
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Why don't you enlighten us all? How does having Massoud as your avatar make you look hypocritical and stupid?
I've explained in my previous posts.

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Get over yourself, I know and have read enough Afghan history not to be "enlightened" by some chump on a student forum by presenting one link. I even gave you a source which actually admitted some of the stuff Massoud's men had done. But no, it must be the fact that you showed me an article (an article that I mentioned reading years a go) - thats what it is. :rolleyes:

And stop referring to him as my "hero" - he wasn't you lunatic. But no, you just carrying on assuming stuff. Putting someone in your avatar is not holding someone in high "esteem" - but again, you'll carry on assuming. And how convenient, you didn't mention anything about your misleading B-S.
Look, just so long as you're not some stupid little kid who thinks Massoud was the glorious freedom fighter he's made out to be, then it's all cool. I doubt you have read that book (you would have referenced it properly otherwise). Next time, don't ask such a stupid question like "What did he do?" when you apparently know full well what he's done. And to think you can defend your position by fobbing us of with one quote you've nicked from somewhere? LOL

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What a man to debate this guy, a person with Stalin in his avatar
Difference is, he probably has some idea what things Stalin has got up to. :rolleyes:
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Look, just so long as you're not some stupid little kid who thinks Massoud was the glorious freedom fighter he's made out to be, then it's all cool.
The man was not a saint, no.

I doubt you have read that book (you would have referenced it properly otherwise).
"(Afghanistan: A Modern History By Angelo Rasanayagam, p.148)" and I then went on to give the page number of footnote after I had quoted that. What do you have against my referencing? And I really don't care what you doubt, I know I have read the book - and many more. You know a lot of people know about Afghan history? :rolleyes:


Next time, don't ask such a stupid question like "What did he do?" when you apparently know full well what he's done.
I thought you would stop this misleading ********. I asked that rhetorically which is why I went on to answer my own question you imbecile. I'll quote myself because you think its okay to mislead people: "What did Massoud do? He fought against people who do the some of the same things that Iran does today." - so stop acting like I was asking what Massoud did as though I didn't know. At least try to make your point without completely being retarded and misquoting people.

And to think you can defend your position by fobbing us of with one quote you've nicked from somewhere?
Haven't "nicked" it from anywhere, its from a book I read - which is still on top of my self. But no, again, assume without any evidence that I stole the quote from somewhere and that I don't have the book. :rolleyes:

And if you want to talk about "one quote" - you give one website and act like you're some enlightened scholar on the Afghan conflict: if you had read enough books, you would have realised its mentioned enough places.

Difference is, he probably has some idea what things Stalin has got up to. :rolleyes:
Oh, so you're not the only person enlightened about Stalin? What a shock. Almost as ingnorant as you spouting stuff about Massoud and acting like it has never been mentioned before.
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The man was not a saint, no.
Change of position much?

"(Afghanistan: A Modern History By Angelo Rasanayagam, p.148)" and I then went on to give the page number of footnote after I had quoted that. What do you have against my referencing? And I really don't care what you doubt, I know I have read the book - and many more. You know a lot of people know about Afghan history? :rolleyes:
You referenced the footnote as 'Ibid'. I don't need to tell you how unhelpful that is, and thus why I made my assumption. :rolleyes:

I thought you would stop this misleading ********. I asked that rhetorically which is why I went on to answer my own question you imbecile. I'll quote myself because you think its okay to mislead people: "What did Massoud do? He fought against people who do the some of the same things that Iran does today[/b] - so stop acting like I was asking what Massoud did as though I didn't know. At least try to make your point without completely being retarded and misquoting people.
You're right, you did say that.

But if you knew about Massoud, why did you disregard that report with something along the lines of "sorry, not enough substance"??

Haven't "nicked" it from anywhere, its from a book I read - which is still on top of my self. But no, again, assume without any evidence that I stole the quote from somewhere and that I don't have the book. :rolleyes:
See above.

And if you want to talk about "one quote" - you give one website and act like you're some enlightened scholar on the Afghan conflict: if you had read enough books, you would have realised its mentioned enough places.
I think my link was more than enough. You did give off this vibe that either you were ignorant about what Massoud has done or you didnt want to mention it. When people take up issue on Massoud with you, what do you think they're talking about? And there's you in your naivety responding with "He fought against the Taliban". Pff.

I'd like to get one thing straight with you. Did Massoud commit murders and other crimes against civilians?

Oh, so you're not the only person enlightened about Stalin? What a shock. Almost as ingnorant as you spouting stuff about Massoud and acting like it has never been mentioned before.
I think you're the one acting like it's a revelation, what with the way you jump in with that quote of yours trying to wash Massoud's hands clean.
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Change of position much?
I said that exact same thing to you several hours a go: "I'm not saying Massoud is a saint. Where have I said that?!" and "What are you talking about "high esteem"!? Where are you getting this from?! My avatar? You think thats high esteem?!"

You referenced the footnote as 'Ibid'. I don't need to tell you how unhelpful that is, and thus why I made my assumption. :rolleyes:
:rofl: Do you know what Ibid means?! It means "the same place". If you look up the footnotes of a book, where two footnotes have the same source, instead of rewriting the whole title, you say "ibid, p.270" - which was what I did: I gave you the book, then I gave you another reference of the book with Ibid and then the page number. I didn't label the footnote as Ibid you muppet, by saying "Ibid", I telling you that everything was the same from the last source except the page number. Absolute hilarity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibid.

You're right, you did say that.
Ah finally, the boy sees he's been misleading people.

But if you knew about Massoud, why did you disregard that report with something along the lines of "sorry, not enough substance"??
Because you pasted a link - in what world do you believe that is enough substance to a post?

I think my link was more than enough. You did give off this vibe that either you were ignorant about what Massoud has done or you didnt want to mention it. When people take up issue on Massoud with you, what do you think they're talking about? And there's you in your naivety responding with "He fought against the Taliban". Pff.
I am not saying your link wasn't more than enough, I am saying you use one link and act like there has been no other mention of Massoud's actions. Its in almost every book I've read.

It's not naievity, its history. He was the leader of the Northern Alliance which fought against the Taliban - are you denying this?

I'd like to get one thing straight with you. Did Massoud commit murders and other crimes against civilians?
Yes.

I think you're the one acting like it's a revelation, what with the way you jump in with that quote of yours trying to wash Massoud's hands clean.
Again with the assumptions. Stop acting like what happened with Massoud is some secret which you are privy to. Seriously. At least you've moved on from your assumptions about "more than an avatar". Oh, and I'm curious now - do you believe I hold this odd looking creature in "high esteem" now? :mmm:
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Which book to you suggest?
The Six Days War.

Pretty conclusively shows how Egypt tried to liberate their Palestinian "brothers" while eradicating Israel in the first few pages.
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I said that exact same thing to you several hours a go: "I'm not saying Massoud is a saint. Where have I said that?!" and "What are you talking about "high esteem"!? Where are you getting this from?! My avatar? You think thats high esteem?!"
See later why I wrote that.

:rofl: Do you know what Ibid means?! It means "the same place". If you look up the footnotes of a book, where two footnotes have the same source, instead of rewriting the whole title, you say "ibid, p.270" - which was what I did: I gave you the book, then I gave you another reference of the book with Ibid and then the page number. I didn't label the footnote as Ibid you muppet, by saying "Ibid", I telling you that everything was the same from the last source except the page number. Absolute hilarity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibid.
Cute. I thought you had also copied 'Ibid' from the book too; was gonna hit you with that wikipedia page myself. Rats to that I guess.

Ah finally, the boy sees he's been misleading people.
I think you're the one guilty of that, see later.

Because you pasted a link - in what world do you believe that is enough substance to a post?

I am not saying your link wasn't more than enough, I am saying you use one link and act like there has been no other mention of Massoud's actions. Its in almost every book I've read.
Aha, but you knew this, so why didn't you say so? Why would you want more information and evidence on something you already know to be fact? You wouldn't unless you disagree with the original premise! Thats the discrepancy here which made me think you either were genuinely ignorant or intentionally ignorant.

If its in every book you read and is a known fact, why on earth did you try to counter my link with a quote trying to argue the opposite?! You therefore can't blame me for thinking you were trying to defend your hero.

It's not naievity, its history. He was the leader of the Northern Alliance which fought against the Taliban - are you denying this?
True, but he's done things which not even the Taliban would do. There's no use trying to make one holier than the other. But this is besides the point.

You know as well as I do, when someone questions you on Massoud, its not for his fight against the Taliban, but his record in Kabul.

Yes.
More ambiguity. I've seen you do this on more than one occassion. See this thread (onto the next page too):

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...1103271&page=2

Firstly, you start off trying to act stupid as to why Massoud is a ba5tard (yes I know, you're springing your trap to unleash that suckerpuch of a quote you've saved to favourites). Predictably, you reply with this same quote trying to defend Massoud. So, when you say you believe your quote, that he was in fact not responsible for the crimes mentioned (disagreeing with the guy you're debating in that thread), why do you now admit he was responsible. Change of opinion?

Again with the assumptions. Stop acting like what happened with Massoud is some secret which you are privy to. Seriously. At least you've moved on from your assumptions about "more than an avatar". Oh, and I'm curious now - do you believe I hold this odd looking creature in "high esteem" now? :mmm:
If anything you're the one making this fact of Massoud's crime to be more of a revelation. You could have just accepted it as fact in the beginning, and we wouldn't be discussing it now. Again, look above for why I think you're trying to act like it all never happened.

I had two possible reasons in mind: You're a stupid kid who knows nothing about Afghanistan and thinks its cool to glorify Massoud as a hero the same way some plaster Che's picture around without a clue what he's about; or for some reason, you're actually fond of Massoud, and would rather not admit to his past misdeeds but happily try to defend him if anyone ever tries to tell you he was a ba5tard. I now know it probably isn't the first.
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WW3 again they attacked Iraq now they want Iran... so what false flag event are they going to stage next.. Hopefully the they wont stage an explosion....
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Cute. I thought you had also copied 'Ibid' from the book too; was gonna hit you with that wikipedia page myself. Rats to that I guess.
Rats to that, indeed. Like your misleading quotation. And you have the gaul to say "change of position" to me :rolleyes: Most history books, nay most scholarly books, do this - and you remain completely ignorant about.

Aha, but you knew this, so why didn't you say so? Why would you want more information and evidence on something you already know to be fact? You wouldn't unless you disagree with the original premise! Thats the discrepancy here which made me think you either were genuinely ignorant or intentionally ignorant.
I didn't want any evidence. I don't know where you're getting that from. I asked a question rhetorically and answered it. The reference to substance was about the fact you posted a link without adding any subtance of your own. You just gave me a link.

If its in every book you read and is a known fact, why on earth did you try to counter my link with a quote trying to argue the opposite?! You therefore can't blame me for thinking you were trying to defend your hero.
I did so because I was pre-empting arguments I have seen before - and while you're about wrong about the quote being in my favourites, it is stuck in my mind. I was not making a blanket defence of Massoud - that would be absurd and inconceivable. If you've looked through my posts (which it appears you might have), you'll find a debate with a Pashtun guy who talks specifically about that. But, even the quote itself: it did not refer to anything aside from a single incident of looting etc. - there's no way that could have been a defence of anybody.

And can you stop with these retarded assumptions please, he isn't my "hero".

True, but he's done things which not even the Taliban would do. There's no use trying to make one holier than the other. But this is besides the point.
We are not talking about judgements but the mere fact that he did fight the Taliban which you seemed to doubt here: "And there's you in your naivety responding with "He fought against the Taliban". Pff."

You know as well as I do, when someone questions you on Massoud, its not for his fight against the Taliban, but his record in Kabul.
No, actually, most of the time its about who he was, how he fought the Taliban, why I have him in my avatar etc. I've only ever encountered one or two Pashtuns who are determined to show me these "new" facts.

More ambiguity. I've seen you do this on more than one occassion. See this thread (onto the next page too):

Firstly, you start off trying to act stupid as to why Massoud is a ba5tard (yes I know, you're springing your trap to unleash that suckerpuch of a quote you've saved to favourites). Predictably, you reply with this same quote trying to defend Massoud. So, when you say you believe your quote, that he was in fact not responsible for the crimes mentioned (disagreeing with the guy you're debating in that thread), why do you now admit he was responsible. Change of opinion?
Even then, I don't deny that Massoud was responsible for the deaths of civilians. I was trying to combat the bloodthirsty image they had created of him ("innocent people he killed becouse he was power hungry and the hate he had for pashtuns" etc.). But well done for searching through my old posts. You must really have some stake in this or something. Oh, and can you, again, stop with the assumptions: the quote is not saved in my favourites.

If anything you're the one making this fact of Massoud's crime to be more of a revelation. You could have just accepted it as fact in the beginning, and we wouldn't be discussing it now. Again, look above for why I think you're trying to act like it all never happened.
Facts have not changed. I never made Massoud out to be a saint, I said this to you early on. Your only evidence is that it was my avatar (or according to your later assumptions "more than an avatar" )

I had two possible reasons in mind: You're a stupid kid who knows nothing about Afghanistan and thinks its cool to glorify Massoud as a hero the same way some plaster Che's picture around without a clue what he's about; or for some reason, you're actually fond of Massoud, and would rather not admit to his past misdeeds but happily try to defend him if anyone ever tries to tell you he was a ba5tard. I now know it probably isn't the first.
Both of which would be assumptions. It's not the first one because, quite frankly, I know my stuff about Afghan history - and I'm glad you've accepted that it isn't the first. As for the second, no. Having someone in your avatar does not mean you think their completely saintly. It also does not mean you absolve them from past responsibility. Churchill said a lot of retarded things, he was behind some pretty abhorrent crap as well. He was voted the number one Briton - you think Britons approve of everything he did? This debate was elongated because of the assumptions you have made about my position.
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I didn't want any evidence. I don't know where you're getting that from. I asked a question rhetorically and answered it. The reference to substance was about the fact you posted a link without adding any subtance of your own. You just gave me a link.
Yes I did only give you a link, thinking you'd get the point. But you certainly did give the impression you weren't in agreement with the report I posted, when you tried to disprove my point by arguing that "Massoud's crime were actually committed by Sayyaf". Go read that post again. I link a report which, in part, attributes some nasty stuff to Massoud, and in response, you tell me that the pillaging and looting was actually carried out by Sayyaf. What kind of a response is that for someone who acknowledges Massoud's misdeeds?!

I did so because I was pre-empting arguments I have seen before - and while you're about wrong about the quote being in my favourites, it is stuck in my mind. I was not making a blanket defence of Massoud - that would be absurd and inconceivable. If you've looked through my posts (which it appears you might have), you'll find a debate with a Pashtun guy who talks specifically about that. But, even the quote itself: it did not refer to anything aside from a single incident of looting etc. - there's no way that could have been a defence of anybody.
I can't see any other reason for you even posting that quote on multiple occasions unless you're trying to stick up for him.

And can you stop with these retarded assumptions please, he isn't my "hero".

We are not talking about judgements but the mere fact that he did fight the Taliban which you seemed to doubt here: "And there's you in your naivety responding with "He fought against the Taliban". Pff."
Nope, no doubt. I never indicated that he didn't fight the Taliban (though he didn't always stick around for a fight, but once again, this isn't the point). I just found it slightly funny that you'd point out him fighting the Taliban when I was more concerned with his human rights record. Fighting the Taliban won't pay for his sins.

No, actually, most of the time its about who he was, how he fought the Taliban, why I have him in my avatar etc. I've only ever encountered one or two Pashtuns who are determined to show me these "new" facts.
I'm not going to insult your intelligence and suggest you would put up an avatar of Massoud and not expect someone bring you up about the guys doings. Seems you're well aware of what Massoud did, just not entirely comfortable when others mention it. (As if he was your hero one may say!)

Even then, I don't deny that Massoud was responsible for the deaths of civilians. I was trying to combat the bloodthirsty image they had created of him ("innocent people he killed becouse he was power hungry and the hate he had for pashtuns" etc.). But well done for searching through my old posts. You must really have some stake in this or something. Oh, and can you, again, stop with the assumptions: the quote is not saved in my favourites.
By combating you mean saying, "Look, I know he did some nasty things and he's no saint, but see here, he didn't do this particular act at this particular event." I mean, sorry, but just don't bother with statements like that...water off a duck's back. What you've done is akin to me having an avatar of Bin Laden (though avatars are not the issue) and then being quick to point, but you know, although Bin Laden was bad, he didn't actually kill that one guy on that particular day. I'd be his fanboy if I did. (Don't take the favourites things too literally. You don't need to favourite something you've memorised!)

Facts have not changed. I never made Massoud out to be a saint, I said this to you early on. Your only evidence is that it was my avatar (or according to your later assumptions "more than an avatar" )
Sorry mate, but when one of your first replies is in defence of the guy (even if its only one particular and specific quote), your viewpoint of Massoud is pretty clear. I don't think I need to spell this out.

Both of which would be assumptions. It's not the first one because, quite frankly, I know my stuff about Afghan history - and I'm glad you've accepted that it isn't the first. As for the second, no. Having someone in your avatar does not mean you think their completely saintly. It also does not mean you absolve them from past responsibility. Churchill said a lot of retarded things, he was behind some pretty abhorrent crap as well. He was voted the number one Briton - you think Britons approve of everything he did? This debate was elongated because of the assumptions you have made about my position.
I could have a pretty accurate guess at to what you think of the guy. Let's leave it at that because neither of us needs this explained.
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