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    (Original post by Amon.)
    CPS is controlled by the government (the Labour party).



    He's a party member, the party pay for many peoples fees in court (they have done it beforE).
    The CPS is non-ministerial.

    Do they?
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    (Original post by Johnny)
    The CPS is non-ministerial.

    Do they?
    "he Crown Prosecution Service, or CPS, is a non-ministerial department of the Government of the United Kingdom."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Prosecution_Service

    I think if high up people in the British government told them to do something they would.



    yes - they paid when a union sacked a teacher.
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    (Original post by Johnny)
    Anyway, the piont I really wanted to make, which I suppose fits in with the recurring idea of the BNP's dodgy finances, is: Why is the BNP paying for Nick Griffin's legal fees? Is this standard procedure? Does the BNP offer him health insurance payed for by the party's members as well?

    I dare say you would have more "rich donors", if said prospective "rich donors" could be sure of the party's finances.
    Dodgy finances?

    The BNP?

    Surely you don't believe things like this?

    Cotterill Resignation Email

    And More On Griffin's Alleged Financial Scams

    9/4/01 10:36:18 AM

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    Electronic Loose Cannon

    London, England -- [Can you tell its been a long weekend yet. All these

    press releases ...]

    [LSN Note: We don't know who this guy is. He makes references to himself

    and

    the National Front, an anti-BNP Nazi group in Britain. However, he does share

    some interesting details about BNP fund-related issues.]

    Electronic Loose Cannon No. 10

    EDITOR: MARTIN WEBSTER

    BNP CASH CORRUPTION SCANDAL ERUPTS

    Cotterill down the tubes

    - IS GRIFFIN FAR BEHIND?

    This is the brief e-mail circulated by Mark ('Chi-Chi') Cotterill to

    announce his resignation from the leaderhip and membership of the American

    Friends of the British National Party:

    -----

    From: American Friends of the BNP

    To:

    Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:30 AM

    Subject: Resigning from the AF-BNP

    Earlier today I resigned as chairman of the American Friends of the BNP and

    as a member of the organization. Below is part of the letter I sent to BNP

    chairman Nick Griffin:

    "Dear Nick,

    I regret to have to inform you that as of today - August 28th, 2001, I am

    resigning both as chairman of the American Friends of the BNP and as a

    member of the organization. This was a very difficult decision to make and

    one, which I did not take lightly. My reasons for resigning are both

    personal and political, but I do not want to go into detail here and now."

    Please note that no more mail for the AF-BNP should be sent to - PO Box

    1746, Falls Church, VA 22041 - 1746. Any mail already there or on its way

    will be forwarded on to either my successor or the BNP in England.

    I am sorry to be so brief, but I will go into greater detail in the near

    future, when I have a bit more free time and have had time to sort stuff

    out.

    Yours Sincerely,

    Mark Cotterill.

    ------

    This sudden and completely unexplained resignation comes about as a result

    of an American TV network having compiled an expose about Cotterill's

    financial shenanigans, and BNP Chairman Nick Griffin's involvement in them.

    I have been told that the programme was set to be broadcast by the CNN

    network last night. CNN investigators have presumably "got the goods" on

    'Chi-Chi' and so he has had to do a runner to escape the attentions of U.S.

    Federal Immigration and Inland Revenue authorities as well as other

    agencies.

    I have not yet had any account of the CNN expose. Whatever one thinks of

    CNN, the facts it has compiled must have been sufficiently accurate in

    relation to serious matters to cause 'Chi-Chi' to do such a sudden and

    dramatic midnight flit.

    Some hint of what was about to be broadcast was contained in an e-mail

    bulletin which landed in my 'In Box' a week or so ago. Here it is:

    ------

    Subj: [Euro-Rebirth] CNN Launches Investigation Of Cotterill Fundraising

    Date: 16/08/01 21:51:03 GMT Daylight Time

    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

    Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

    To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

    CNN Launches Investigation Of Cotterill Fundraising

    Says Cotterill In Country Illegally, Sent Over $85,000 To Britain

    8/15/01 2:57:24 PM

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    Bill White

    Atlanta, Georgia -- I just got off the phone with CNN producer Henry

    Schuster,who called me regarding an article that CNN is doing on AF-BNP

    Chair Mark Cotterill and the BNP's American fundraising.

    I basically reiterated to Schuster the information LSN has already

    published about Cotterill, and which was largely already in his possession.

    He

    tipped me off to a number of interesting facts, though.

    According to Schuster, Cotterill raised over $85,000 for the British

    Nationalist Party, including at least two large donations for $6,000 and

    $10,000 each. Most of the money appears to have been used to pay

    Cotterril's and BNP Chair Nick Griffin's salaries of $750/week and $1000/week

    respectively. Further, it appears that by sending money to Griffin as

    salary, Cotterill evaded (or used a loophole to evade) British election law

    regulating donations to a political campaign from abroad.

    Further, Cotterill is not in the country legally as Mark Cotterill. He

    either entered the country under another name, possibly Mark Cierr, Mark

    Cerr, or Mark Cerrow, or he entered the country illegally. He reportedly

    has no driver's license, green card, or other valid identification.

    Cotterill has also been reportedly spending lavishly at his contributors'

    expense, including renting apartments and paying airfares for nationalist

    leaders at home and abroad. As much as four fifths of the money he was raising

    my have gone into his pockets, his lifestyle, and expenses for his guests.

    Lastly, CNN suggested that Council Of Conservative Citizens member Carl

    Knittle may have been raising money by fraudulently claiming to represent

    a 501-c(3) organization called the Western League, which the IRS states is

    *not* registered with the IRS as a 501-c(3) organization.

    In exchange for all this info I told him I disliked Cotterill and thought

    he was dishonest with money, as a personal opinion. I also recommended he

    talk to the other members of my "two men and a dog" show. Not a bad trade.

    :-D

    Also, amusingly, when I told him that CNN was unpopular among my sources

    and that they probably wouldn't want to talk to him, he responded that "yeah,

    if we were FOX News they'd probably love us" -- at which point I had to

    inform him that they probably think FOX News is about as corrupt as CNN,

    like I do, at which point he sorta chuckled and went "yeah, they are a bit

    further out than most conservatives" -- imagine that -- Nazis being a bit

    further out than most conservatives! Ha!

    So anyways, there's CNN future news report, today. No need to turn on your

    TV, because you've heard it all here. Also, CNN is going to hunt down Nick

    Griffin and Cotterill and Cotterill's wife for interviews soon (apparently

    the one with Griffin is already scheduled.)

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    To the irritation of many, the 'Electronic Loose Cannon' has devoted

    itself during the past two years to exposing the dishonest personality of BNP

    Chairman Nick Griffin. This dishonesty has manifested itself in the form of

    unscrupulous political opportunism, sexual hypocrisy and, not least,

    FINANCIAL CORRUPTION.

    As regards financial corruption, I revealed that Griffin began extracting

    ludicrous amounts of cash from party funds for himself - and other members

    of his family - from the moment he took office. He pulls out hundreds of

    pounds a week in salary and doubles this up with "expenses" claims.

    Griffin's mother, Jean, is on the payroll: £50 a week for taking telephone

    calls (entered into the accounts as "Secretarial Services"). No doubt his

    accountant father, Edgar, also derives a fee for "doing" - to put no finer

    point on it - the party's books. (Edgar Griffin is also the accountant for

    Roberto Fiore and the various scams run by Fiore's International Third

    Position.)

    I gather Griffin's wife, Jackie, has also benefited from a transaction

    involving the buying and selling and re-selling of one of her old cars via

    a Griffin used-car sales operation knows as Affordable Cars, the profits of

    which are claimed to be "shared with the BNP". Ha! Ha! Would YOU buy a

    second-hand car from these people?

    Needless to say, no reference to income from Affordable Cars was itemised

    in last year's BNP accounts (which were published to the wider BNP membership

    by me in the ELC - not by the BNP leadership!)

    We pointed out that this Griffin family feeding-frenzy excited the

    resentment of the man who is (for the moment) the BNP's second in command:

    Tony Lecomber.

    Lecomber derives a very much smaller income from the party than Griffin.

    This low income qualifies him to claim various state welfare benefits to

    help him support his family. Last year Lecomber's discontent was smoothed

    over by Griffin giving him £1,500 from BNP's Trafalgar Club funds and

    fraudulently itemising this transaction in the club's accounts as

    "Repayment

    of a Debt".

    High Court barrister Adrian Davies (who has represented the party in a

    professional capacity, but who is not a BNP member) reported on this affair

    to the BNP Advisory Council last year. He pointed out that false accounting

    and fraudulently claiming state benefits are both criminal offences.

    Mr. Davies' report was promptly misrepresented to the BNP membership by

    Lecomber in a bulletin which announced that the party leaderhip had been

    "cleared" of all allegations of financial impropriety in the matter of the

    Trafalgar Club funds. I had to correct Lecomber's tissue of lies by

    publishing Mr. Davies' report in full which, until then, had been kept from

    the BNP membership.

    How Lecomber has been kept sweet since then by means of other

    under-the-table payments we have no way of knowing . . . for the moment.

    I have also revealed in previous issues of the ELC the financial corruption

    perpetrated by Griffin's man in the United States, Mark 'Chi-Chi'

    Cotterill, the Anglo-Indian-Chinese boss of the American Friends of the BNP.

    We pointed out that Cotterill was:

    (a) Working in the USA without a 'green card' - in effect, as an illegal

    immigrant;

    (b) Acting as a representative of and fund-raiser for a foreign

    organisation without registering himself as such in accordance with as U.S.

    law (he was forced to commit this crime as a result of his status as an

    illegal immigrant).

    (c) Raising large sums of cash "for the BNP" without the support of any

    accounting procedures or even an AF-BNP bank account.

    [LSN Note: There is an AF-BNP bank account; we have seen checks that were

    drawn on it. However, much of the money raised by the AF-BNP was not hitting

    that account.]

    All these matters were known to Nick Griffin from the outset of Cotterill's

    operation.

    Because of 'c', it was impossible to verify how much cash 'Chi-Chi' had

    raised; how much he had skimmed for his "expenses", how much he had

    remitted directly to Griffin - and how much Griffin had skimmed and trousered

    before depositing any remainder into BNP funds. No reference at all was made in

    last year's BNP accounts to cash received from the AF-BNP.

    Prior to this year's U.K. general election I revealed in the ELC that

    Griffin and Cotterill were planning to circumvent a new British law

    regulating foreign donations to British political parties by routing AF-BNP

    cash via Northern Ireland where, they believed, different regulations

    obtained.

    Griffin used this Northern Ireland scheme as a device to explain to senior

    members of the party why there could be "no formal accounting of money sent

    by the AF-BNP". These idiots were persuaded that this absence of accounting

    was necessary to fool the U.K. authorities when in fact THEY - the Dear

    Leader's "close comrades" - were the primary targets for fooling! The dolts

    swallowed this explanation with the same bovine lack of comprehension that

    they swallowed Lecomber's lying "Clean Bill of Health" bulletin about the

    Trafalgar Club swindle.

    It's like a scene from George Orwell's 'Animal Farm' when the stupid

    animals drift away from the barn feeling distinctly uneasy, apprehending

    that, somehow - in a way that they are too stupid to comprehend - they had

    been subjected to yet another swindle by the clever pigs led by Napoleon.

    Boxer, the plough horse - soon destined for the knacker's yard - rallies

    his fellow dullards with his all-purpose maxim: "Napoleon is ALWAYS right! I

    will work HARDER!"

    The difference between the dullards in 'Animal Farm' and the dullards in

    the BNP is that Orwell's livestock had at least an inkling that they had

    been conned, whereas no such awareness seems to have unsettled what members

    of the BNP's Leadership Council are pleased to call their "minds".

    How soon will the trail of corruption from 'Chi-Chi's' (now deserted)

    office lead journalists, law-enforcement agencies and Inland Revenue and

    Benefits investigators to the doors of Nick Griffin and Tony Lecomber . . . and

    also to the door of their accountant, Edgar Griffin? If past form is anything to

    go by, nothing will happen.

    The authorities are quite happy for Britain's major "racist" political

    party to be run by the likes of the Nick Griffin, his family and the small

    circle of cronies who are all - in one way or another - on the payroll and on

    the take. In fact, under Griffin, the BNP poses more of a threat to its

    subscription-paying and donation-giving members than it does to the

    Establishment! In this regard, the BNP mirrors Establishment parties in

    Parliament.

    A Griffin-run "racist" party is no threat to the Establishment - especially

    since it announced that it was dropping its foundation policy of

    repatriating coloured immigrants compulsorily (if necessary) in favour of a

    new policy which advocates a wholly voluntary repatriation scheme. In

    making this change the BNP has, in effect, run up the White Flag and signalled

    its acceptance that Britain will be, forever, a multi-racial society!

    Yes! That's what the "Voluntary Repatriation only" policy means, folks - or

    didn't you realise that?

    Griffin family enjoy South of France holiday

    IMPORTANT! Did any of you notice that Nick Griffin was uncharacteristically

    very quiet during his father's five minutes of fame in connection with the

    Conservative Party's leadership election campaign? If you did notice, did

    you wonder why?

    The answer was buried away in a report by Oliver Wright ["Defiant Griffin

    vows to join 'moderate' BNP"] published in The Times on 25th August:

    "Last night Nick Griffin was unable to back his father up as he was on

    holiday with his family in the South of France . . . "

    The South of France is Europe's - and one of the world's - most expensive

    holiday destination. Where did Griffin find the money to treat his wife and

    their four children to such a luxury vacation? Or was he given a 'freebie'

    as is given to Tony Blair and his family. If the latter, who was the

    benefactor?

    I remark somewhat ruefully that in the 13 years that I was an employee of

    the National Front I had only ONE 'holiday': a long weekend in Cornwall in

    August 1978 during which I toured branches and addressed a S.W. Regional

    rally. My return rail fare was paid by NF HQ and my bed and board was met

    by hospitable Cornish members. My spending money came out of my weekly wage of

    (as I recollect) about £35 a week.

    No doubt I was a fool in those days and the old NF got everything wrong ...
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    (Original post by Amon.)
    I think if high up people in the British government told them to do something they would.
    Only if it meets the legal criteria laid down, which is applicable to everyone, and has to be recorded.

    It can't just prosecute people on a whim, or because a government minister told them too.
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    (Original post by Amon.)
    "he Crown Prosecution Service, or CPS, is a non-ministerial department of the Government of the United Kingdom."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Prosecution_Service

    I think if high up people in the British government told them to do something they would.



    yes - they paid when a union sacked a teacher.
    The Crown Prosecution Service is the Government Department responsible for prosecuting criminal cases investigated by the police in England and Wales. Created by the Prosecution of Offences Act 1985, we are an independent body that works closely with the police.
    http://www.cps.gov.uk/about/role.html

    Oh you think that's the case do you? Well that shuts me up then...

    Did the BNP finance Griffin in his recent trial?
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    (Original post by Paul Bedford)
    Yes, terrorists.

    Forgotten Gadaffi?
    The BNP have never had anything to do with Gadaffi. Could you also point out terrorist acts carried out by the BNP.
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    I vote BNP and I am an active member to their campaigns for keeping Britain pure.
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    (Original post by Paul Bedford)
    Only if it meets the legal criteria laid down, which is applicable to everyone, and has to be recorded.

    It can't just prosecute people on a whim, or because a government minister told them too.
    "Nu-uh! Everyone must irrationally hate us!"
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    (Original post by Amon.)
    I think if high up people in the British government told them to do something they would.
    As much as I dislike Labour and Government in general, I seriously doubt they are as interested in the BNP as you seem to believe.
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    (Original post by Johnny)
    http://www.cps.gov.uk/about/role.html

    Oh you think that's the case do you? Well that shuts me up then...

    Did the BNP finance Griffin in his recent trial?
    good good.


    I don't know? You said it first.
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    (Original post by Johnny)
    "Nu-uh! Everyone must irrationally hate us!"
    you think people don't hate BNP? :eek:
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    (Original post by EskimoHunter)
    I vote BNP and I am an active member to their campaigns for keeping Britain pure.
    *shrugs*

    What a pointless post. Why not just declare that in your signature? Are you just a closet racist, choosing to reveal yourself at moments that suit you?
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    (Original post by Amon.)
    good good.


    I don't know? You said it first.
    It was dry wit. Ass.

    I think if high up people in the British government told them to do something they would.
    As if what you think really constitutes fact. Duh.




    Actually MB said it first. Do try to keep up.
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    (Original post by EskimoHunter)
    I vote BNP and I am an active member to their campaigns for keeping Britain pure.
    ...would you care to elaborate?
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    (Original post by gideon2000uk)
    ...would you care to elaborate?
    No.
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    (Original post by gideon2000uk)
    ...would you care to elaborate?
    Ignore that member, he's trying to get as much neg rep as he can. He's just sent me a PM asking for rep. Probably a duplicate account anyway, i'll ask admin to check.
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    (Original post by Beekeeper)
    Ignore that member, he's trying to get as much neg rep as he can. He's just sent me a PM asking for rep. Probably a duplicate account anyway, i'll ask admin to check.
    Your fabrication shall not go down well with me. I am trying to acquire as much negative rep as possible. However, this is not against the rules. I certainly do not have multiple accounts.

    Pip pip
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    (Original post by Paul Bedford)
    The government spends less time on you than they do on the Liberals, the Conservatives and many other parties.
    Rubbish, Ken Livingstone is the head of "unite against fascism" which spends all of it's time fighting the BNP, the government forces also donate vast sums of money to searchlight magazine.

    One newspaper article I have just read sums up the white British peoples loss of our own land

    What has happened in Barking and Dagenham is the most rapid transformation of a community we have ever witnessed.

    "Nowhere else has changed so fast. When I arrived in 1994, it was a predominantly white, working class area. Now, go through the middle of Barking and you could be in Camden or Brixton
    This is not a quote from the BNP, it is a quote from Margaret Hodge. The difference betwwen the 2 is that Margarat Hodge thinks it's wonderfull, the BNP however do not.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../16/nbnp16.xml
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    (Original post by happybob)
    The BNP have never had anything to do with Gadaffi.
    What is this then?



    Ooops, it's Nick Griffin on a trip to see Gadaffi

    Could you also point out terrorist acts carried out by the BNP.
    Tony Lecomber was jailed for possessing explosives in 1985, after a nail bomb exploded while he was carrying it near the offices of the Workers' Revolutionary Party; and for assault in 1991, when he almost killed a man on the London Underground.
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    (Original post by happybob)
    One newspaper article I have just read sums up the white British peoples loss of our own land
    Oh stop being so dramatic. Perhaps there aren't many white people there anymore out of personal choice? It's hardly the most desirable place in the country, and I certainly don't feel like I, or 'white British people' have lost anything at all.

    If you're so bothered then go buy a house there yourself.
 
 
 
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