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    (Original post by dj1015)
    Feel free to rep me however you like.

    I rebutted all his points just now in another post. Try not to get taken in by this Left wing bile going around at the moment. Lady Thatcher truly was the best thing that has happened to this country in a long time.
    Do you mean the worst? She destroyed the post-war progressive Britain. :angry:
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    (Original post by David Adler)
    Another solely ideological response, which is fair enough, but unlike the previous one this inflicts damage upon objective facts.
    I happen to think it is a very balanced view. The only people who tend to disagree with this are "liberal" students and The NUM.
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    (Original post by ConsciousWorker)
    Do you mean the worst? She destroyed the post-war progressive Britain. :angry:
    What progressive about the UK in 1979 exactly?
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    Thatcher lovers are lonely and ugly with a lot of psychological complex and personality issues in the UK I can imagine. Never met any Thatcher lovers in Sweden but they surely must exist somewhere. Maybe they never leave their bedrooms.
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    (Original post by Hostile*****)
    Thatcher lovers are lonely and ugly with a lot of psychological complex and personality issues in the UK I can imagine. Never met any Thatcher lovers in Sweden but they surely must exist somewhere. Maybe they never leave their bedrooms.
    You never meet someone who loves personal freedoms and free markets in your socialist hotbed of a country.

    I wonder why :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by ConsciousWorker)
    Do you mean the worst? She destroyed the post-war progressive Britain. :angry:
    There was nothing left to destroy. Ask your parents or grandparents about the 1970s. About double digit inflation, three day working weeks, constant strikes, billions spent on mining subsidies, the winter of discontent etc.
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    (Original post by ConsciousWorker)
    Where's education and social safety now you ignorant? Yes the NHS spending has been increased due to the mad cow disease (BSE) that occurred.

    Even in principle it went against everything else that Thatcherism stood for so I don't get why the right out of every of her achievement picks the leftist one to boast about!
    hahahahahah I cannot stop laughing. Are you insane? How did you link NHS spending to mad cow disease WTF
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    (Original post by pol pot noodles)
    There was nothing left to destroy. Ask your parents or granparents about the 1970s. About double digit inflation, three day working weeks, constant strikes, billions spent on mining subsidies, the winter of discontent etc.
    Lol.
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    (Original post by Hostile*****)
    Never met any Thatcher lovers in Sweden but they surely must exist somewhere.
    Probably in the UK. Since you know, she was a British Prime Minister. I've never met anyone who can even name a Swedish Prime Minister, so irrelevant your country actually is on the global stage.
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    (Original post by kate_louise21)
    What do I admire about her ? yes she made mistakes but she did not try to cover them up she did not try hide away from them. Noone can get everything right but she certainly achieved some very successful things her time also, she gave the chance for people to buy their own homes, succeeded in the Falklands war, she did not let anyone influence her,what she believed in she stuck to and she made sure noone would try to sway her decision or manipulate her....that is somethink to be proud of!
    How can people honestly say she is worse than the goverment we have now ? look at what the goverment is doing now ..... and THAT was better than Thatcher? Hell no!
    Politically naive is an understatement
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    (Original post by a729)
    This was somewhat inevitable- it has happened in most other developed countries.
    Don't forget manufacturing output increased under her and Wilson closed more mines than she ever did!



    To be brutally honest: You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.

    However I do concede that Thatcher could have done some more to help the heavy industry based communities to adapt to the new economy



    Interestingly it's better to rely on a private sector than a public-subsidized one. Though it would have been good to have a more mixed economy with a manufacturing sector of a similar proportion of GDP to Germany



    I'll concede that better regulation would be good , however Labour with 13 years in power has failed to make Ofgem more powerful.

    Still that is better than a state monopoly like the USSR had!



    You forget that what the trade unions were like in the 70s- holding the UK government to ransom.

    She introduced common sense measures like making a secret ballot , etc. She didn't abolish them or anything- they still exist , most notably on London Underground whose drivers are will be on 52k a year from 2015!



    Better than selling everything over to Germany and France like most of our utility and train companies have ended up.



    No- parents now have the choice to move if necessary to ensure their kids get into a good school. the league tables encourage transparency and shows the public which schools are under-performing .



    Allowing people to buy council hosues allowed many working class people to enter the property market- and with the rising house prices has lifted many into middle class.

    Not how Labour hasn't reversed much of her policies.

    Her tax cuts made aspiration feasible again. No more 98% tax to look forward to if you make it to the top.



    She grew more and more eurosceptic . If she had had 7 more years in power she probably would have left. Assuming she could have beaten the unpopular Kinnock in 92. Unfortunately she her party lost Enoch Powell ,an influential eurosceptic.

    Don't forget her EU rebate which has saved us £75 billion + so far



    How, Britain owned it till 1997 and even know Hong Kong still is free from the overbearing Chinese government.

    After all Britain couldn't really continue 'owning' Hong Kong indefinitely



    No- Argentina started it and Maggie ended it , decisively



    If it was means-tested it, it wouldn't have been so bad.
    After all Council tax isn't that fair either!



    How do you figure that out?
    She believed in a tough and robust justice system- she even supported the death penalty!



    There it is ladies and gentlemen, the response to those waiting with bated breath.

    I'm glad you had a go at it. Your response, while (unlike many) not distorting the facts, is very ideological meaning that you see one version of the actual reality - in this case the Thatcherite one.

    I fundamentally disagree with you, but our ideological stance is so distant that there's no point arguing about it approaching it from the parallel universe.

    hmm but you have top admit that many people's opinions about her are based on myths - such as 'she killed British industry' when the facts all show that clearly is not the case.

    I try to base my opinion on facts rather than ideological - I can't help it if the facts push me to look on Thatcher in a positive light
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    (Original post by ConsciousWorker)
    Do you mean the worst? She destroyed the post-war progressive Britain. :angry:
    She helped this country.

    The only thing she destroyed was the union's ability to hold the country to ransom and the quasi-socialist consensus which was leading Britain to relative decline
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    (Original post by ConsciousWorker)
    Do you mean the worst? She destroyed the post-war progressive Britain. :angry:
    Do you mean the post war progressive Britain that was destroying itself in the 70's with failing industries, strikes, power cuts, a three day working week, uncollected rubbish.


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    (Original post by a729)
    She helped this country.

    The only thing she destroyed was the union's ability to hold the country to ransom and the quasi-socialist consensus which was leading Britain to relative decline
    Just one fallacy repeated after the other on this thread. Are we the only ones smart enough to see whats right?
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    (Original post by Hostile*****)
    Thatcher lovers are lonely and ugly with a lot of psychological complex and personality issues in the UK I can imagine. Never met any Thatcher lovers in Sweden but they surely must exist somewhere. Maybe they never leave their bedrooms.

    Try popping over the ferry to Latvia, Lithuiana or Estonia. I'm sure they'll be able to give you a different point of view.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    I dont understand why people are not more grateful towards Lady Thatcher. Kids these days have never had it so good.
    I know - it's just so much leftie propaganda has deceived many people

    the truth is Thatcher made Britain great again
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    still doesn't make it okay to celebrate her death...
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    (Original post by kate_louise21)
    What do I admire about her ? yes she made mistakes but she did not try to cover them up she did not try hide away from them. Noone can get everything right but she certainly achieved some very successful things her time also, she gave the chance for people to buy their own homes, succeeded in the Falklands war, she did not let anyone influence her,what she believed in she stuck to and she made sure noone would try to sway her decision or manipulate her....that is somethink to be proud of!
    How can people honestly say she is worse than the goverment we have now ? look at what the goverment is doing now ..... and THAT was better than Thatcher? Hell no!
    You've contradicted yourself there. She knew the Hillsborough disaster did not occur because of Liverpool fans and instead it was due to the police but rather than confront this and address it she acknowledged and agreed with the cover up of the disaster by the police. She went out of her way to demonise football fans in the country labelling them as hooligans where in actual fact the vast majority of them were just honest hard working normal people. I understand she has done plenty of good but her disdain and contempt to certain groups of people was disgusting.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    Just one fallacy repeated after the other on this thread. Are we the only ones smart enough to see whats right?
    We have a few allies here- I made some threads hoping to raise awareness of the truth!

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=2315052

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=2313962
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    I was going to dignify this with a response, until I saw Falklands War Criminal.

    Some people are idiots these days.
 
 
 
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