Muslim students at Queen Mary calling for a ‘right to pray’

Well yeah, this is actually encouraged. Do it.

Because that opens up the room (or any other room for that matter) for everybody else.

Well I think QM will be fully aware of this thread and have by now seen that the majority of people are actually against the campaign anyway.

Good good.

And no I'm not against Islam. I just think it's kind of outrageous that the society has kicked up such a stink over the rejection of their demand for a major, and continual, freebie.

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Stop typing, you're just arguing for the sake of it and making stupid comments such as ...'music is part of education up to the age of 9' when we are talking about university. PE is part of education up to age of 16, no ****ing uni provides any physical activity................ I mean sweet brother malcolm, get a grib. Cba asked with you.

Little they know that this is more about civil rights and freedom of expression!

University is a actually a superb opportunity to take a step back from the religious dogma of your upbringing, setting it aside while you're there, and testing ideas and assumptions in an environment uninhibited by instilled religious imperatives and absolutes.

Hahahaha the utter amount of non-sense you spouse.........íts quite clear you have a bías in your argument.
One mínute they can campaign next minute or no they shouldn't be, etc you don't decide what is right and what ísn't.....íf they want to campíagn then they can, íf the uníversity wants to change íts mínd then í can, ís símply not up to you.

They can be híred out, but no external group híres it out, mainly internal groups and hence they follow the rules.

Stop typing, you're just arguing for the sake of it and making stupid comments such as ...'music is part of education up to the age of 9' when we are talking about university. PE is part of education up to age of 16, no ****ing uni provides any physical activity................ I mean sweet brother malcolm, get a grib. Cba asked with you.

OMFG, you must be kidding me! So you’re actually telling me that no other society has ever asked to book either of the halls? The Isoc is the FIRST society to request it and just because QM has denied usage they have started a campaign?! And they still couldn’t take ‘no’ for an answer?! Sounds like you’re arguing against the cause.

Nope........ISOC has only ever been the only society to actually book the room as far as I'm aware in the last few years......
You just stated that they can campaign if they want..........now your saying they shouldn't be they have a right to campaign and have every right to do what they can to get the uni to reverse the decision.


I know the scenarios aren’t the same but sentiments involved sure are.Yes universities cater for all people but they do so by recognizing them as individuals with universal needs and requirements. It does NOT cater for every single religion and culture out there. Hence for example not every university in the UK provides halal meet. A mosque is an institution which accommodates Muslim needs, but a university accommodates the universal needs of students. Expecting a university to cater for the private needs of Muslims is as preposterous as asking for a Mosque to meet the public demands of non-Muslims.
I’m not asking Islam to change to suit my needs. I’m sure I’m not the only one who thinks that there is no place for slavery in the modern world. I think it should change to meet the current needs of humanity. If you’re bringing numbers into this then how about this: There about 2 billion Muslims worldwide and there are 5 billion non-Muslims.

these sentiments are not the same.........a mosque used by muslims for free, against a university which caters for paying students which have needs.
The university caters for all the societies which exist, including all official religious societies.
What does halal have to do with anything, thats a completely different topic
Providing prayer facilities which contribute to the well-being of students and so that students don't miss lectures is not a private need at all.

I am just highlighting the sheer stupidity in your argument by going off-topic and demanding a religion to change what they believe is the word of God, it would no longer be, the faith would fall apart because its no longer the word of God but whatever you want it to be


Why do you keep stating the obvious? Off course I have a bias. In case you can’t tell, we’re having a debate. The way a debate works is that one person takes on one position and the other person opposes said position. Hence if you are for the case, then I must obviously be against it if we are arguing with each other.
The problem here is that you’re struggling to comprehend the difference between CAN and SHOULD. Although anyone CAN campaign for a cause it does not necessarily mean that they SHOULD. It’s about misusing the rights you have. So if you’re saying it’s up to the university to decide, why couldn’t you accept their initial decision in the first place? You clearly think it's up to the Muslim students to decide. If by internal groups you mean student groups then no, such groups are not private.

And again, what I don't get is why you are still debating this..............when the issue itself has been essentially been resolved and the campaign is successful.

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't the solution been to open the room up for all societies.

this does mean that the room will have to be shared so this don't really solve the initial issue of the Muslims wanting somewhere to pray every Friday

I know a few people at one SOC at the UNI and they are going to book the room as soon as it becomes widely available to ensure that the room is a shared recourse so I don't think your going to get what you want (in fact we think this will be quite fun as they will have to share the room so when they throw their toys about because other people are using it it will simply reinforce the idea that the iSOC cannot co exist with others)

how do you feel about this?

Yep.........so pretty much the university said that they are going to open the halls when not in use for booking.

Well the ISOC is the only society which actually books the halls, however when they aren't able to use it if the university needs it they try to squeeze into the current prayer rooms which is how it was before.

Booking of rooms including halls aren't "shared", if you book it out, you book the entire thing for whatever time you have it.
Secondly, all booked facilities must be used appropriately and cleaned up otherwise the societies faces penalty for misusing rooms. Even more so if its for the purpose of creating problems and most likely face disciplinary action. And this doesn't really say the "ISOC cannot co exist with others", considering this other SOC is planning to cause trouble so that SOC is the one who can't co exist with others.

So are you going to get the room? I hope you do, I don't think you're being unreasonable at all.

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No they are not planing to 'cause trouble' they are going to request the usage of a shared recourse. It is within their right as a society to do this.

they do not need to explain to you or other societies why they want the room they just need a valid reason.

However they do need to give a reason to the QMSU or uni for the reasoning behind the booking. Especially for the larger rooms.

from speaking to other people at the UNI it looks like they are going to request the room every other week between 3-4 different socialite so each society should have access to the room once on a monthly basis on a Friday.

but as I said other societies are going to book the room so be prepared to squeeze in other rooms when needed

I don't see whats the problem......considering that Muslims will be using an hour a day during midday when everyones got lectures.

but your reply is quite telling as I can already see the toys being prepared, you accuse a SOC of 'causing trouble' because they want to ensure a shared recourse is exactly that 'shared')

So yes well done you have now opened the room up for booking for all SOC's

(but I bet this isn't what you actually wanted)

(in fact we think this will be quite fun as they will have to share the room so when they throw their toys about because other people are using it it will simply reinforce the idea that the iSOC cannot co exist with others)

But you just stated in brackets:



if thats the reasoning behind the bookings then thats completely wrong.

And again, I would like to reiterate that you don't know what I want, you have no right to speak for me or tell me what I am thinking or wanting.
The ISOC has worked had to find a room which can accomodate them for an hour a week, thats all they want.

From the Isoc at QM:
The university has verbally agreed that ISoc ought to be allowed to book either The Great Hall or The Octagon when either is vacant, and a timetable is currently being drawn up.

But it's not the reason. The reason is to ensure a shared resource remains shared.

But we know how some (as you amply demonstrated) will react to this and we believe the reaction will show the iSOC out to be intolerant and incapable of sharing a shared resource (call this the icing on the cake) but this is a simple side effect and not the reason. The reason is that it is shared resource and they want to make sure it is shared (this is called being fair)

I am just making sure that the SOC you're talking about, doesn't want to use it for ill means thats all. If its being used for a genuine reason thats all.

We know what the iSOC want which is why we are working against it and ensuring if the room becomes available it must be available to all and to ensure this other SOC's will be booking the room.

The ISOC want a room to pray in on a friday that hold everyone, thats what they've been working towards.

You know what would solve this problem and make the iSOC look like a reasonable bunch?

go to a mosque if you want to pray

Seriously go to a mosque as the room will not always be available for you so this will not solve your problem

Bless what they missed out is that if they make the room available it has to available to all

and when this happens other SOC's will book them so the UNI have played a bit of a binder here as it clearly says 'when either is vacant'

Actually again if you looked on this thread, you'll realise that the locals mosque of which only one is in reasonable distance cannot accomodate the Muslim students after being talked to.