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    (Original post by sbj)
    If you meet those kind of students, just tell them you study maths. It works perfect. Because they are below Mathematicians/Physicist by far and they know it.
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    (Original post by TheGuyReturns)
    That's very subjective... and I'd argue that in London it's an outright lie.
    I agree, no point being a doctor or dentist in london unless you work privately.
    I will say that outside of london, there are very few jobs that pays more than medicine or dentistry though.
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    (Original post by TheGuyReturns)
    I've said this before and I'll say it again...

    I honestly just think "good for them", not even in a sarcastic way. They'll work ****ty hours. Have to spend a ****load more time after their already long 5-6 year course to specialize. Continue to work ****ty hours and then finally hit comfortable 6-figures when middle aged (most medics are deluded in thinking they'll be rolling in it before hitting middle age) in one of two ways: 1. Becoming a surgeon in which case you must be the creme de la creme (which by definition, most people won't be) and be willing to be called in the middle of the night... or 2. Become a GP and sit in a room meeting miserable sick people all day. And dentists must sit in a room poking around teeth all day for similar pay, hours seem a lot nicer though.

    I'm not even bashing here, I don't understand why being a doctor/dentist is seen as such a glamorous job, although it benefits the general public (which of course includes me) that it is seen that way.

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    If you go into what I hopefully plan to (and no it's not banking, though it is business/finance related), you only need a 3 year degree (I am staying for 4, just something I personally want), pass exams while you work no more than 36-38 hours a week and with a very real prospect of hitting comfortable 6-figures before you reach 30.


    Sorry, no offence but you come across as the starry-eyed college kid who thinks they have it all planned out and will be earning a 6-figure salary, and consequentially you feel you have earned the right to sneer at medics and dentists for being idiots to spend longer than you training just to do grubby jobs for less pay.

    However if it was as easy as you think it is to earn that in your chosen field, your chosen degree course would be extremely competitive to get onto as everybody would want to earn that money. The more likely case is that the jobs that pay the 6-figure salary of which you speak are extremely tough to get due to fierce competition, and therefore you better hope you make it to Oxbridge.
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    (Original post by TheGuyReturns)
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    You're just looking for faults in medics/dentists. But fair play to you if you want to convince yourself we have egos made of glass - I am sure some of us do.
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    (Original post by Scott.M)
    Sorry, no offence but you come across as the starry-eyed college kid who thinks they have it all planned out and will be earning a 6-figure salary, and consequentially you feel you have earned the right to sneer at medics and dentists for being idiots to do such a grubby job, for less pay and which takes much longer to qualify for than your job.

    However if it was as easy as you think it is to earn that in your chosen field, your chosen degree course would be extremely competitive to get onto as everybody would want to earn that money. The more likely case is that the jobs that pay the 6-figure salary of which you speak are extremely tough to get due to fierce competition, and therefore you better hope you make it to Oxbridge.

    I plan to become an actuary, which is not an amazingly competitive field at all really. The catch is being good at maths is essential. The percentage of people who sign up and then give up before they qualify is outstandingly high, I'm fairly certain I saw a statistic that said a good percentage below 50 actually make it to the end. The average exam has a pass rate of around 40%... it pays very well, with great hours.

    Not that any of that is even relevant. I was having a rant about how being a doctor or dentist isn't that great when you really think about it, I only mentioned the part in the spoiler so people like you wouldn't message me implying or just outright saying that I'm just jelous or something of the sort. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by TheGuyReturns)
    I plan to become an actuary, which is not an amazingly competitive field at all really. The catch is being good at maths is essential. The percentage of people who sign up and then give up before they qualify is outstandingly high, I'm fairly certain I saw a statistic that said a good percentage below 50 actually make it to the end. The average exam has a pass rate of around 40%... it pays very well, with great hours.

    Not that any of that is even relevant. I was having a rant about how being a doctor or dentist isn't that great when you really think about it, I only mentioned the part in the spoiler so people like you wouldn't message me implying or just outright saying that I'm just jelous or something of the sort. :rolleyes:
    I looked into being an actuary but was put off due to the high failure rate as you mentioned. I assume you feel sure that you won't be one of those who fail?

    And it feels like everybody on TSR lately thinks that doctors and dentists wages 'aren't that high when you think about it' - as if everybody on here thinks £61k+ is mediocre and that they will definitely earn more.

    The reality is £61k is a very high wage, and will pay for a very nice house, very nice car, private school for your children and no money worries (assuming your partner also has a job).

    I think people need to step back into the real world before reality hits them like a train. XD
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    (Original post by Scott.M)
    I looked into being an actuary but was put off due to the high failure rate as you mentioned. I assume you feel sure that you won't be one of those who fail?


    And it feels like everybody on TSR lately thinks that doctors and dentists wages 'aren't that high when you think about it' - as if everybody on here thinks £61k+ is mediocre and that they will definitely earn more.

    The reality is £61k is a very high wage, and will pay for a very nice house, very nice car, private school for your children and no money worries (assuming your partner also has a job).

    I think people need to step back into the real world before reality hits them like a train. XD
    It depends on what you already have and where you live. Obviously if you already own a house, furniture and a car, 61k is fantastic. For someone like me, who lives in London and owns nothing (and wants to keep living in London, in my own place), taking a look at Zoopla, salary after tax calculators, mortgage statistics and cost of living statistics makes the situation look unbelievably dire.
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    (Original post by Scott.M)
    A few facts about you:

    -You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder at dentists. A quick look at your profile shows all of your posts on TSR are on dentistry-related threads where you say how they hardly earn a thing etc. The fact you have no posts on non-dentistry related threads suggests you have actively sought out dentistry-related threads just to bash dentists

    -Apparently there is 'no money' in dentistry, yet you acknowledge they earn £61k per year. Hmm

    You're very sad. You have some hatred of dentists, when guess what? Most dentists couldn't care less about you and other medics, and most medics couldn't care less about dentists. Only a few take the supposed rivarly seriously, and even less are sad enough to let it develop into a full-blown hatred as you seem to have done.

    I doubt you are even a medic, part of me thinks you're a bitter, failed dentistry applicant. Few medics come across as idiotic as you and type like a rudeboi 'yh mate'.

    Just to set a few things straight:

    -Dentists have to do a DF1 year (and soon also DF2) before they are qualified to be GDPs

    -We get taught CPR and probably use it as often as you will once you're qualified and in the real world. You think GPs spend their time resuscitating people?

    -You think dentists don't save lives? An untreated tooth infection leads to death. Prior to dentists being around, one of the leading causes of death was dental abscesses

    -Also, what is the difference between saving somebody's life by resuscitation (i.e. before they are in immediate danger of death), or by preventative measures before they are in immediate danger of death? Is one really more heroic than the other? Judging by the way you come across it probably will be in your eyes - but in reality nah.

    -Dentists are the first to spot oral cancer - which has a very low survival rate if left untreated

    -Dentists improve people's quality of life - both cosmetically and functionally (without any teeth or dentures, people become malnourished due to not eating correctly)

    -Idk where you got the crap that a dentist's lab fees are £20k per year

    -The era of GPs being highly respected professionals unable of doing wrong in the public's eyes is gone. This is due to long waiting times, coming under increasing criticism in national press about things such as not spotting cancer, and their high earnings leaving a sour taste in the middle of a recession

    Get your facts right before trying to impose your dislike of dentists on others.

    Although to somebody who knows what they're talking about, watching you talk utter crap that you have obviously convinced yourself to be true whilst displaying your weird, irrational hatred of dentists is funny to watch
    Ur rudeness speaks miles about you. I was never rude in my posts to anyone however you just came in like a wasteman


    Firstly yes. Alot of my posts are on dentistry related threads. Whats wrong with that? I have an interest in the differences between the earning/ lifestyles of doctors and dentists and believe that there a whole lot of misconceptions relating to the supposed wealth of dentists. Im just coming in with the facts. You can makeup ur own mind


    Secondly i am a medical student, not really sure how i can prove that to you.


    Dentists currently only have to do VT1 to be qualified. It not soon to be VT2 as currently the government cannot afford extending the VT training.


    Also dont give me that bull**** about dentists saving lives and doing cpr. That may happen, but it will most definitely not make the bulk of your life as a dentist. The vast majority of your day/ everyday will be cleaning teeth/ doing fillings


    If you read the full report for dentist working around 40 hours a week. the lab expenses come to about 17k


    "-The era of GPs being highly respected professionals unable of doing wrong in the public's eyes is gone. This is due to long waiting times, coming under increasing criticism in national press about things such as not spotting cancer, and their high earnings leaving a sour taste in the middle of a recession"- Hahahahahha the daily mail was made for people like you, all GPs have collectively decided to miss cancer, and the cash stripped NHS has decided to increase their earnings as a result. Get real.
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    (Original post by Thewildcat)
    Ur rudeness speaks miles about you. I was never rude in my posts to anyone however you just came in like a wasteman


    Firstly yes. Alot of my posts are on dentistry related threads. Whats wrong with that? I have an interest in the differences between the earning/ lifestyles of doctors and dentists and believe that there a whole lot of misconceptions relating to the supposed wealth of dentists. Im just coming in with the facts. You can makeup ur own mind


    Secondly i am a medical student, not really sure how i can prove that to you.


    Dentists currently only have to do VT1 to be qualified. It not soon to be VT2 as currently the government cannot afford extending the VT training.


    Also dont give me that bull**** about dentists saving lives and doing cpr. That may happen, but it will most definitely not make the bulk of your life as a dentist. The vast majority of your day/ everyday will be cleaning teeth/ doing fillings


    If you read the full report for dentist working around 40 hours a week. the lab expenses come to about 17k


    "-The era of GPs being highly respected professionals unable of doing wrong in the public's eyes is gone. This is due to long waiting times, coming under increasing criticism in national press about things such as not spotting cancer, and their high earnings leaving a sour taste in the middle of a recession"- Hahahahahha the daily mail was made for people like you, all GPs have collectively decided to miss cancer, and the cash stripped NHS has decided to increase their earnings as a result. Get real.
    Dentists don't clean teeth, thats what hygienists do.
    Why don't you say what you actually think about dentists instead of sugar coating it?
    Enjoy having absolutely no life for the next 15 years and being treated like ****e by highers in hospitals
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    (Original post by alevelzzz)
    Dentists don't clean teeth, thats what hygienists do.
    Why don't you say what you actually think about dentists instead of sugar coating it?
    Enjoy having absolutely no life for the next 15 years and being treated like ****e by highers in hospitals
    No1 can go to a hygienist without first seeing a dentist. If i just wanted a cleaning, i couldn't go to the hygienist.

    What are you talking about. I never disliked dentists, my sister is a dentist. All i said was that people who think dentistry is all about fast cars and money (pretty much like you alevelzzz) need to get a reality check and realise what dentistry actually is before life hits them in the face. If you love the job of a dentist and dont want an active role in saving their life, then dentistry is the ideal career for you. It has patient contact and a good income of 60-70k. If you just want money then you wont find that in dentistry, the finance world is where you want to go.

    I want to be a GP so its only a few years post med school, however if i wanted to be a consultant, then i would have no problem being treated like sh*** by them in order to learn the skills required to get to the top. You cannot aim to be the master without first being the apprentice. Its sad that dentists have forgotten that tradition of learning on the job in their simplistic career. REAL medicine is far far more complex than a simple 5 year undergrad...
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    (Original post by Thewildcat)
    No1 can go to a hygienist without first seeing a dentist. If i just wanted a cleaning, i couldn't go to the hygienist.

    What are you talking about. I never disliked dentists, my sister is a dentist. All i said was that people who think dentistry is all about fast cars and money (pretty much like you alevelzzz) need to get a reality check and realise what dentistry actually is before life hits them in the face. If you love the job of a dentist and dont want an active role in saving their life, then dentistry is the ideal career for you. It has patient contact and a good income of 60-70k. If you just want money then you wont find that in dentistry, the finance world is where you want to go.

    I want to be a GP so its only a few years post med school, however if i wanted to be a consultant, then i would have no problem being treated like sh*** by them in order to learn the skills required to get to the top. You cannot aim to be the master without first being the apprentice. Its sad that dentists have forgotten that tradition of learning on the job in their simplistic career. REAL medicine is far far more complex than a simple 5 year undergrad...
    There is your actual opinion of dentistry. Go tell an oral surgeon or max fax that dentistry is not real medicine. I bet there are surgeons who say being a GP is not a REAL doctor. If it was so simplistic then why would entry requirements to dentistry be the same as to medicine?

    I haven't decided what I want to do. medicine and dentistry are both still options. Dentistry encompasses a lot of different things into one career - autonomy, salary, status, good working hours and scope for a business side. It has its disadvantages and advantages to medicine. I simply hate it when a medic thinks they're 'above' dentistry despite nowadays dentistry being equally difficult for entry to medicine.
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    i think medicene/dentistry is ben harper! and we all know who he was!! so i think that will be your fate!
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    well to be fair, a lot of people who initially wanted to do medicine end up doing biomed when they realise they are not getting the grades had a few cases like that in my school. So no not everyone doing those subjects are failed doctors... but a fair few are.
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    (Original post by alevelzzz)
    There is your actual opinion of dentistry. Go tell an oral surgeon or max fax that dentistry is not real medicine. I bet there are surgeons who say being a GP is not a REAL doctor. If it was so simplistic then why would entry requirements to dentistry be the same as to medicine?

    I haven't decided what I want to do. medicine and dentistry are both still options. Dentistry encompasses a lot of different things into one career - autonomy, salary, status, good working hours and scope for a business side. It has its disadvantages and advantages to medicine. I simply hate it when a medic thinks they're 'above' dentistry despite nowadays dentistry being equally difficult for entry to medicine.
    Who cares about what it takes to get into dental/med school. It takes A*AA to study math at imperial. It takes 3A* to study anything at oxbridge. Whats your point? Im talking about the ACTUAL career of a dentist vs doctor. And the fact is that a dentist is fully independent straight out of school whereas a doctor is just beginning on the journey of something much grander. An oral surgeon/ max fax is not a dentist. Neither is an orthodontist a dentist. All require postgrad exams/ more training to get to and are thus higher than dentists. Therefore doctors (who also require more than an undergrad) are thus higher than dentists. end of story
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    (Original post by alevelzzz)
    There is your actual opinion of dentistry. Go tell an oral surgeon or max fax that dentistry is not real medicine. I bet there are surgeons who say being a GP is not a REAL doctor. If it was so simplistic then why would entry requirements to dentistry be the same as to medicine?

    I haven't decided what I want to do. medicine and dentistry are both still options. Dentistry encompasses a lot of different things into one career - autonomy, salary, status, good working hours and scope for a business side. It has its disadvantages and advantages to medicine. I simply hate it when a medic thinks they're 'above' dentistry despite nowadays dentistry being equally difficult for entry to medicine.
    If you want to be pedantic then fine, a FY1 junior doctor is equivalent to a dentist. But the moment he becomes an SHO they are no longer the same
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    Dont be offended, and dont be afraid to be like them either. There's two types of people in this world, I'd rather be the medical student than the reject doing a lesser course.
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    (Original post by Thewildcat)
    Who cares about what it takes to get into dental/med school. It takes A*AA to study math at imperial. It takes 3A* to study anything at oxbridge. Whats your point? Im talking about the ACTUAL career of a dentist vs doctor. And the fact is that a dentist is fully independent straight out of school whereas a doctor is just beginning on the journey of something much grander. An oral surgeon/ max fax is not a dentist. Neither is an orthodontist a dentist. All require postgrad exams/ more training to get to and are thus higher than dentists. Therefore doctors (who also require more than an undergrad) are thus higher than dentists. end of story
    'higher' REALLY?
    Is that how you view people? Do you think a surgeon is 'higher' than a GP?
    Yes they require extra training but its still an incredibly insulting way to view people

    Absolutely ridiculous.
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    So many medics/dental students or wannabe medics/dental students feeding OP's views :rofl:

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    (Original post by alevelzzz)
    'higher' REALLY?
    Is that how you view people? Do you think a surgeon is 'higher' than a GP?
    Yes they require extra training but its still an incredibly insulting way to view people

    Absolutely ridiculous.
    He's an idiot not worthy of your time lol.

    He didn't read anything I said in my post and instead just responded with more anti-dentist crap.

    He thinks GPs spend their lives doing heroic resuscitations.
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    It depends on what you already have and where you live. Obviously if you already own a house, furniture and a car, 61k is fantastic. For someone like me, who lives in London and owns nothing (and wants to keep living in London, in my own place), taking a look at Zoopla, salary after tax calculators, mortgage statistics and cost of living statistics makes the situation look unbelievably dire.
    Not worth living in London unless you work there. Ridiculous cost of living and properties, and high crime from what I have heard off my friend who lives there.
 
 
 
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