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Zero Hour Contracts are just another form of Corporate Welfare for Cry Baby Capitalists. I use the term Cry Baby because you have businesses that don't want to take any risk and they want to put all the risks to the workers rather than themselves.

Oddly enough people are now having their tax credits sanctioned if they refuse to do additional hours. This is one thing which has changed under the introduction of Universal Credit.

But Zero Hour Contracts generally operate to the benefit of the employer and the financial instability of the worker. So now under these Job contracts workers are being forced to do as many hours as possible and then some weeks they are left with no work at all.

Employers think to themselves I don't need you this week so get lost.

It is my belief that workers need some bargaining power so they can play the same game to their employer.

Tories generally can only make business thrive under exploitative working conditions. They have a great record of it.
Why do you feel the need to make things up?
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(Original post by MatureStudent36)
Why do you feel the need to make things up?
because he's a socialist, it;s inbred in them ...
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Why?
You could even argue that if you regulate and restrict it it becomes the public sector again in all but name.
The public sector imo should be larger, more jobs. They offer more protection, better, more secure pay and more workers rights.

I don't want to cut back on it. I am prepared to do that however and allow the private sector in as long as there are some controls in place to provide security and stop exploitation.

ZHC imo need to be abolished. They don't offer secure protection, they don't offer secure hours or secure pay.

Sure, for some students they may work but for a lot of people it seems incredibly unfair. It's not right that a person desperate to make a living only finds out if they have work via a text at 6am that morning. It's not fair that if someone has an injury or becomes pregnant they can be let go by simply giving them 'no more hours'.

I do recognise that zhc do work for a certain group of people, but that imo is not enough and those people would still be better off on guaranteed contracts.

If we want people in work off benefits, which I am all for, then give them a secure job, guaranteed hours and guaranteed pay.

I'm not making a partisan point here and I acknowlege Labour and left wing organizations have been guilty of zhcs too but that is irrelevant, they should be condemend, punished and/or fined.
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The public sector imo should be larger, more jobs. They offer more protection, better, more secure pay and more workers rights.

I don't want to cut back on it. I am prepared to do that however and allow the private sector in as long as there are some controls in place to provide security and stop exploitation.

ZHC imo need to be abolished. They don't offer secure protection, they don't offer secure hours or secure pay.

Sure, for some students they may work but for a lot of people it seems incredibly unfair. It's not right that a person desperate to make a living only finds out if they have work via a text at 6am that morning. It's not fair that if someone has an injury or becomes pregnant they can be let go by simply giving them 'no more hours'.

I do recognise that zhc do work for a certain group of people, but that imo is not enough and those people would still be better off on guaranteed contracts.

If we want people in work off benefits, which I am all for, then give them a secure job, guaranteed hours and guaranteed pay.

I'm not making a partisan point here and I acknowlege Labour and left wing organizations have been guilty of zhcs too but that is irrelevant, they should be condemend, punished and/or fined.

soviet era fantasy ... you are delusional
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(Original post by Bornblue)
The public sector imo should be larger, more jobs. They offer more protection, better, more secure pay and more workers rights.

I don't want to cut back on it. I am prepared to do that however and allow the private sector in as long as there are some controls in place to provide security and stop exploitation.

ZHC imo need to be abolished. They don't offer secure protection, they don't offer secure hours or secure pay.

Sure, for some students they may work but for a lot of people it seems incredibly unfair. It's not right that a person desperate to make a living only finds out if they have work via a text at 6am that morning. It's not fair that if someone has an injury or becomes pregnant they can be let go by simply giving them 'no more hours'.

I do recognise that zhc do work for a certain group of people, but that imo is not enough and those people would still be better off on guaranteed contracts.

If we want people in work off benefits, which I am all for, then give them a secure job, guaranteed hours and guaranteed pay.

I'm not making a partisan point here and I acknowlege Labour and left wing organizations have been guilty of zhcs too but that is irrelevant, they should be condemend, punished and/or fined.
Explain why I should be taxed more to provide the money for more public sector wages and more importantly the pension bill that comes with it.
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(Original post by MatureStudent36)
Explain why I should be taxed more to provide the money for more public sector wages and more importantly the pension bill that comes with it.
Should all the tory MPs give up their tax-payer funded salary?
But you've completely missed the point I'm making yet again. I'm prepared to accept a watering down of the public sector so long as adequate controls and regulations are placed on the private sector to prevent exploitation and to ensure that work pays.
Explain why I should be taxed more to make up for the money that we don't recieve through tax avoidance...
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(Original post by MatureStudent36)

I used to be like you. I was conditioned from child hood to hate the conservatives....then I grew up and questioned my belief system.
Irrespective of what political perssuauon you are, always question what politicians say and what the media that supports those politicians are saying.
I was the other way round. I used to buy into this labour always wreck the economy crap. Since you know, I just regurgitated what the TV told me and what my parents told me. Then I questioned my belief system. That and the irag war installed a dislike for the labour party, mainly Tony Blair. This still lingers although I don't let the conservatives get away with that either. I was a lib dem supporter as teenager purely for their stance on the Irag war.

I was quite happy when Labour were ousted in the 2010 election.

Stop pretending yours is the only sensible position to hold.

"Irrespective of what political perssuauon you are, always question what politicians say and what the media that supports those politicians are saying." I would say you should listen to your own advice since you just sound like a conservative mouth piece most of the time.
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I was the other way round. I used to buy into this labour always wreck the economy crap. Since you know, I just regurgitated what the TV told me and what my parents told me. Then I questioned my belief system. That and the irag war installed a dislike for the labour party, mainly Tony Blair. This still lingers although I don't let the conservatives get away with that either. I was a lib dem supporter as teenager purely for their stance on the Irag war.

I was quite happy when Labour were ousted in the 2010 election.

Stop pretending yours is the only sensible position to hold.

"Irrespective of what political perssuauon you are, always question what politicians say and what the media that supports those politicians are saying." I would say you should listen to your own advice since you just sound like a conservative mouth piece most of the time.
That did make me chuckle when he said that, although I fundamentally disagree with many conservatives, a good few of them like Rakas and JammyDuel are at least willing to break from the party line and hold a decent discussion. It's not a political campaigning forum.

What especially made me laugh was when he said there was a 'multitude of factors' for low productivity and foodbanks yet growth and employment were entirely to do with the tories..
I've never seen him question anything the tories have done ever,

He's a mouthpiece of the party as you say.
I support Labour loosely, I don't think they're brilliant and they get a lot wrong for sure but I admit that. Shame others can't do the same for their party,
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That did make me chuckle when he said that, although I fundamentally disagree with many conservatives, a good few of them like Rakas and JammyDuel are at least willing to break from the party line and hold a decent discussion. It's not a political campaigning forum.

What especially made me laugh was when he said there was a 'multitude of factors' for low productivity and foodbanks yet growth and employment were entirely to do with the tories..

He's a mouthpiece of the party as you say.
MS accidentally said Ed was economically competent the other day when his labour bashing backfired :teehee:
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Explain why I should be taxed more to make up for the money that we don't recieve through tax avoidance...
This is a good point actually. Even if you are of the right wing libertarian persuasion the tax that is raised should till be spread fairly. I would argue that taxation should always be progressive even if I was a right wing libertarian type. WHich is why I don't understand why middle class types like this vote Tory. All Tories do is make it easier for the mega rich of which these middleclass folks are not part of. You can't tax the poor since they have next to no money so the burden is placed on the middleclass.
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(Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
MS accidentally said Ed was economically competent the other day when his labour bashing backfired :teehee:
I saw. Changing his position from Ed is a super lefty commie who wants to tax and spend all your money to 'Ed is just pretending to be left wing and is centrist' to suit which ever one allows him to follow the Tory party labour bashing line.

Another thing I also hate which is quite common with the right wing is to portray being right wing as a sign of maturity and intelligence.:facepalm:
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(Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
This is a good point actually. Even if you are of the right wing libertarian persuasion the tax that is raised should till be spread fairly. I would argue that taxation should always be progressive even if I was a right wing libertarian type. WHich is why I don't understand why middle class types like this vote Tory. All Tories do is make it easier for the mega rich of which these middleclass folks are not part of. You can't tax the poor since they have next to no money so the burden is placed on the middleclass.
They're response will be 'Miliband tax avoids' WHICH IS NOT TRUE.
Miliband used an isa, the definition of tax avoidance by the HMRC is ' Tax avoidance is bending the rules of the tax system to gain a tax advantage that Parliament never intended," said a spokesman for Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs'

ISA's and things like Duty free were clearly INTENDED BY PARLIAMENT.
Searching for and exploiting a loophole in the system which Parliament never intended is tax avoidance, using an ISA which was intended by Parliament in law, is not.
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I saw. Changing his position from Ed is a super lefty commie who wants to tax and spend all your money to 'Ed is just pretending to be left wing and is centrist' to suit which ever one allows him to follow the Tory party labour bashing line.

Another thing I also hate which is quite common with the right wing is to portray being right wing as a sign of maturity and intelligence.:facepalm:
Yup. If you are young and left wing you are delusional and idealistic, if you're are old you are a political dinosaur, if you are poor you are playing the politics of envy, and if you are rich you are a hypocrite. You can not win and all of these things are just a way to dismiss anything left wing without having to think about anything.
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Yup. If you are young and left wing you are delusional and idealistic, if you're are old you are a political dinosaur, if you are poor you are playing the politics of envy, and if you are rich you are a hypocrite. You can not win and all of these things are just a way to dismiss anything left wing without having to think about anything.
I know all too well. It's like when people protested about the effects of capitalism and the right wing media called them hypocrites because they were drinking coffee...
You don't have to take it as a package deal, you can want to have the better effects of capitalism whilst at the same time regulating it to minimize the disadvantages. Drinking coffee or wearing Nike trainers does not invalidate your criticisms.

According to the press you either have to accept everything about capitalism or oppose it all, anything in between and you're a hypocrite and have to give up all your earthly possessions and live in a box with your parents to be left wing.

You can't win, it's almost like they want to keep the issue of inequality off the table...
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(Original post by Bornblue)
The public sector imo should be larger, more jobs. They offer more protection, better, more secure pay and more workers rights.

I don't want to cut back on it. I am prepared to do that however and allow the private sector in as long as there are some controls in place to provide security and stop exploitation.

ZHC imo need to be abolished. They don't offer secure protection, they don't offer secure hours or secure pay.

Sure, for some students they may work but for a lot of people it seems incredibly unfair. It's not right that a person desperate to make a living only finds out if they have work via a text at 6am that morning. It's not fair that if someone has an injury or becomes pregnant they can be let go by simply giving them 'no more hours'.

I do recognise that zhc do work for a certain group of people, but that imo is not enough and those people would still be better off on guaranteed contracts.

If we want people in work off benefits, which I am all for, then give them a secure job, guaranteed hours and guaranteed pay.

I'm not making a partisan point here and I acknowlege Labour and left wing organizations have been guilty of zhcs too but that is irrelevant, they should be condemend, punished and/or fined.
Must agree with the above, soviet era fantasy. And what does a larger public sector really mean, it means you and I will be paying for unnecessary jobs.

You do seem to have a very one sided typical leftist/liberal view that if but a single person has a problem then no matter how many people are better off for a system, that system MUST be condemned.
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Must agree with the above, soviet era fantasy. And what does a larger public sector really mean, it means you and I will be paying for unnecessary jobs.

You do seem to have a very one sided typical leftist/liberal view that if but a single person has a problem then no matter how many people are better off for a system, that system MUST be condemned.
Wanting everyone to have a good job which pays well makes me a decent human being, not a soviet.
I thin the huge majority of people on zhc would rather it be a secure contract which didn't exploit them.

Well you and I won't be paying if we can get back that money through tax avoidance. Problem sorted.
But you've missed the point, I've said the private sector should be allowed in, but there must be strict regulations and controls to protect workers.
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Vote green for an eco feminist britain! The tories are misogynist, Cameron wouldn't even wear a 'I'm a feminist' T-Shirt. Also he called a women darling. **** the tories!

Not to mention they are all white upper class cis hetero males aka they have massive privilege and cannot be trusted to represent PoC or women or other oppressed groups.
Calm down dear!
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I do not want to sound judgmental but it is often the upper classes who say the country's not 'gone to ****'. Coming from an incredibly low income family myself, I can promise you that it is us who have been worst hit. The Conservatives have projected the image of growth and yes, some are feeling the benefit but unfortunately it is not those who need it who are feeling such benefit. This will always be the way of the Conservatives who are well known for allowing the rich to get richer at the expense of the poor getting poorer. Another five years of the Conservatives and for lower income families this may well actually ruin everything.
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Should all the tory MPs give up their tax-payer funded salary?
But you've completely missed the point I'm making yet again. I'm prepared to accept a watering down of the public sector so long as adequate controls and regulations are placed on the private sector to prevent exploitation and to ensure that work pays.
Explain why I should be taxed more to make up for the money that we don't recieve through tax avoidance...
I'd prefer all mps give up significant business interests if there's a conflict of interest.

Why have you said Tory MPs? Are labour MPs allowed to carry on working?
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I was the other way round. I used to buy into this labour always wreck the economy crap. Since you know, I just regurgitated what the TV told me and what my parents told me. Then I questioned my belief system. That and the irag war installed a dislike for the labour party, mainly Tony Blair. This still lingers although I don't let the conservatives get away with that either. I was a lib dem supporter as teenager purely for their stance on the Irag war.

I was quite happy when Labour were ousted in the 2010 election.

Stop pretending yours is the only sensible position to hold.

"Irrespective of what political perssuauon you are, always question what politicians say and what the media that supports those politicians are saying." I would say you should listen to your own advice since you just sound like a conservative mouth piece most of the time.
I never said I hold the only sensible position, but in a debating website I'll be damned if I sitvaside and let people peddle crap to me.
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