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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Legends are people who untouchable, who have done something unimaginable. And this is what Adele is doing as we speak.
    lol wow.

    She's a good singer who has made some good music and sold a lot of it. Let's not lose our minds.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    lol wow.
    She's a good singer who has made some good music and sold a lot of it. Let's not lose our minds.
    yeah definitely. i like how she has a good sense of humour too.

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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    lol wow.

    She's a good singer who has made some good music and sold a lot of it. Let's not lose our minds.
    Her sales are untouchable and literally out of this world.

    I think you will have much better perspectives looking at all those 40k number ones and now BOM 4m.

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    Target, a major retailer established in 1902, has said that 25 has broken their company's first-day record. (It's all physical.)
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Her sales are untouchable and literally out of this world.

    I think you will have much better perspectives looking at all those 40k number ones and now BOM 4m.

    I'm not going to look at those numbers because I'm not weirdly obsessed with proving that 'my music artist' is 'better' than 'yours' by reference to sales and chart figures.

    What I can say is that they're certainly not 'literally out of this world'.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    I'm not going to look at those numbers because I'm not weirdly obsessed with proving that 'my music artist' is 'better' than 'yours' by reference to sales and chart figures.

    What I can say is that they're certainly not 'literally out of this world'.
    And based on what can you assert any of these without any number or evidence or even arguments to back yourself up?

    She's literally selling more albums than everyone else is combined. She's doubling the weekly sales everyone combined.

    To put it another way, if everyone else's sales are combined to go against her (ie only two albums are purchased this week), she'd still be No 1.

    And you dismiss this as merely 'selling a lot'. This just shows how utterly ignorant you are.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    And based on what can you assert any of these without any number or evidence or even arguments to back yourself up?

    She's literally selling more albums than everyone else is combined. She's doubling the weekly sales everyone combined.

    To put it another way, if everyone else's sales are combined to go against her (ie only two albums are purchased this week), she'd still be No 1.

    And you dismiss this as merely 'selling a lot'. This just shows how utterly ignorant you are.
    'Selling a lot' seems like a pretty apt description to me.

    Calm yourself down.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    'Selling a lot' seems like a pretty apt description to me.

    Calm yourself down.
    When Meghan Trainor's 200k is considered 'a lot', One Direction, Drake, and Justin BIeber's 400k/500k are 'massive', Taylor Swift's 1.2m is 'gigantic', to say 3m is 'a lot' is an understatement.

    But I suppose not everyone has a good vocabulary bank.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    When Meghan Trainor's 200k is considered 'a lot', One Direction, Drake, and Justin BIeber's 400k/500k are 'massive', Taylor Swift's 1.2m is 'gigantic', to say 3m is 'a lot' is an understatement.

    But I suppose not everyone has a good vocabulary bank.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    But the repetitive bubblegum pop tunes also were invented by them and contributed to a major part of their influence. You cannot pretend that that didn't exist.

    This is without mentioning the fact that without the initial hits The Beatles's better music will never have seen the light of the day. They became legends because of both. And even for the latter, they're releasing popularised versions of music. They're not Pink Floyd.

    It doesn't matter that the Beatles made repetitive bubblegum pop, those songs aren't majorly influential because there isn't much to be gained from listening to them other that their catchy and easily enjoyable, great bands who came after them and were influenced by them were influenced by their later work and that's what matters, that they made those songs that pushed the boundaries, and introduced them to a massive audience which at the time, Pink Floyd were unable to do.

    I never argued that Adele's music are musical masterpieces or whatever so your argument really is as strawman's as it gets. I literally said she sells emotions and will at most and also most likely be remembered as someone like Céline Dion.

    Basically here, our opinions differ on what makes an artist 'legendary'. But I guess there really isn't any point in debating what makes an artist legendary, in the end there's no point as long as they make music that people enjoy.

    This is without pointing out the mere fact that 25 is her third album. Revolver was The Beatles's eighteenth album. They had a total of 24 albums. By the time Madonna released her third album (True Blue), she also had not been recognised as a musician yet (it started with the subsequent album, Like a Prayer).


    I don't see your point here... so what! The Beatles wrote more songs than Adele.

    I've never claimed that sales equal quality and that is a fact. You need to stop putting words into my mouth.

    On Adele's sales, what I said was that this is the biggest musical peak since The Beatles. I went on to even specify that I wasn't talking about overall careers or the acts themselves but the peak itself. This is a repeat of the Beatlemania and the Beatlemania had absolutely nothing to do with quality music.


    Arguably it was more significant with The Beatles because it was the first time something like that had happened, with the exception of Elvis Presley to an extent but The Beatles were the first to write their own songs which is obviously very significant. Thousands of kids inspired to start their own bands and write their own songs...

    If it's this easy, why didn't everyone and their mother sell this great? I'm not saying 21 and 25 are musical masterpieces - but you're just utterly deluded if you try to downplay the impact she has had on masses of people.

    This is unprecedented. She's touching fans of all genres. She's touching people of all ages. She's touching every single demography. So far in history only The Beatles, Michael Jackson, and Elvis Presley perhaps have done that.

    I'm not trying to downplay here impact on masses of people, I'm just saying there's a pretty simple formula for being appealing to masses of people, hence the success of One Direction, Justin Bieber etc. I'm not saying she's not talented, she writes her own songs and there not bad songs per say, but most of it is down to luck and my argument was basically that musically and influentially she can't compare to a band like the Beatles.

    She may or may not be remembered as a future. She may or may not be considered a legend in the future. But moments like this will not go away easily. Moments like this don't come by easily.

    Whatever she did, she did something remarkable - and this is something you need to understand and cannot possibly downplay.

    Indeed because you would just be wrong. If people who care about music don't listen to Adele, she would not have been able to move this amount of albums. There's isn't a group of people who are collectively resisting Adele, except for the Japanese.

    Gotta love the Japanese...

    To be a legend, you don't have to have broken grounds musically.

    If such an unremarkable English working class woman who sings ordinary songs can sell millions and millions of albums, that in itself would make her a legend. Legends are people who can do things other people cannot do. Legends are people who untouchable, who have done something unimaginable. And this is what Adele is doing as we speak.

    As I said, it's down to luck and a simple pop music formula, she did something that other people haven't done, not that other people couldn't have done.

    Her sales impact may or may not be remembered in the future (but this is going into history books regardless, with very little chance of being surpassed in the future), but to say she will be forgotten in 10 years is just plain silly. As long as she continues to release album every 2-4 years, she'll certainly be remembered. Even Ciara is still remembered ffs.

    I said she probably would be remembered as a pop culture phenomenon.

    Correction: He wrote and sung one brilliant pop song ('Your Song' and released one ('Candle In The Wind 1997' owing mostly to Diana, Princess of Wales. But see? Ever if he's got no brilliant pop songs whatsoever, he'd still have been remembered because he's got the freaking biggest-selling single of all-time, even though that had hardly anything to do with music and hardly anyone really liked the song (it flopped in its original form).
    I like Tiny Dancer and Rocket Man...

    EDIT: The stuff I wrote is within the quote, because I suck with computers...
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    I like Tiny Dancer and Rocket Man...

    EDIT: The stuff I wrote is within the quote, because I suck with computers...
    Sir Elton's only song that's remembered is 'Your Song', even though CITW 1997 is constantly mentioned for obvious reasons.

    The Beatles's bubblegum pop songs were influential. They were the first to create that poppy formula= in that length, and that has led to the creation of many subsequent pop songs even till today.

    I didn't say her INFLUENCE is bigger than The Beatles. I said time and time again I didn't compare overall careers. I talked about the PEAK of an event's impact. And to say that this is the biggest since the Beatlemania is not even comparing it to The Beatles - if it's the biggest 'since' something, it means this thing is smaller. If you want to argue, bring up MJ, bring up Madonna; not The Beatles or anyone before them.

    You're still seeing this so simplistically. Luck obviously pays a factor, as it is the case with The Beatles and everyone else. But no formula could've led to this global slayage. She's selling more albums than all other albums available in the US combined. She's selling more albums than the next 600 albums in the UK combined.

    As I've said, if there's actually is a formula to do this, a lot more people would be selling much, much better.

    The fact that you're comparing her sales to that of Justin Bieber's and One Direction's just showed how terribly misguided you are of the situation. 1D sold a lot? Oh well, 25 is outselling their last three albums' overall sales plus all their singles in a week. Bieber sold a lot? Oh well, 21 doubled his career total. In this decade, 21 has the sales four times of the runner-up (1989).

    You're definitely right to say that 1D and Bieber became successful due to a formula. But a formula doesn't give you an album that literally scanned diamond in multiple countries.

    She's doing this across genres, across ages, across social classes, across languages, across cultures, across religions, across national borders. She's selling even in war-torn countries, even in locked down Belgium, even in paranoid France.

    BTW, her 'disappointing' Japanese sales still put her No 1 as international artists and No 4 overall (behind 2 vastly popular local acts), in a country that hardly speaks English, is xenophobic, and she has never even been to.
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    Another minute, another slay.

    Billboard confirmed that 25 has sold 2.3 million copies in the United States of America in three days, thus leaving her just 120,000 copies to sell in four days to break the all-time sales record.

    Since she's sold 1.9 million in two days, this means she's sold 400,000 copies on Sunday.

    In the UK, she's already passed Take That and is the fastest-selling female solo album with 538k after just three days. four days for her to sell another 170,000 copies to break the all-time sales record.

    With that in mind, it is obviously significant that North American programmers -- in all formats -- gave more than 1,200 spins to songs from Adele’s 25 over the first three days of its release (on Nov. 20), according to Nielsen BDSRadio. All ten songs from the album got some airplay, from just under 52 spins for the least-played track to more than 300 for the most-played.

    Here’s how the songs from the album, other than “Hello,” were spun in the first three days across North America’s monitored radio stations:

    “When We Were Young” (304 spins)
    “Water Under The Bridge” (221)
    “Send My Love (To Your New Lover)” (160)
    “All I Ask” (122)
    “Remedy” (100)
    “I Miss You” (85)
    “Sweetest Devotion” (69)
    “River Lea” (59)
    “Million Years” (57)
    “Love In The Dark” (52)

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    Senior Vice-President of sales-tracking company in the US 'guarantees' that she will break the record today.



    VP Mtro David Bakula BA (Minnesota) MSc (Northwestern) added that if the internet completely goes down and Walmart and Target both go out of business, then maybe it won't get there. ISIS, your move.



    Best-selling American Idol, Queen of Country Lic Carrie Underwood-Fisher BA, whose last four albums combined total will be outsold by 25 in a week, stans for ADELEGEND and said she would buy it at Target.

    http://www.billboard.com/articles/ev...ood-2015s-amas
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    http://www.billboard.com/articles/co...gle-week-nsync

    25 has now gotten the biggest one-week sales ever in the US after only slightly more than three days - it has sold at least 2.433 million copies already.

    In the UK, she's sold 615k copies in four days - only less than 90k in three days to break the all-time record. She's sold 77k copies yesterday.

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    In the beginning, God broke the pre-order records and first-week digital sales record and viewing records and streaming records.

    On Her first day, she broke the iTunes, digital, and female opening records. Certified diamond in multiple countries.

    On Her second day, she broke the all-time solo and Target records. She also had the biggest-selling album of the year by this time.

    On Her third day, she broke the all-time sales record.

    Where will she be after her fourth day?



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    The Empire of ADELEGEND is now the biggest Empire since the British Empire.





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    Billboard has made chart showing how impressive 25 is doing adjusting to the market:






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    She's also sold 216k already in Canada. 14k to go to break the all-time record (Céline Dion's Let's Talk About Love).

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    Latest projection puts 25 at 3.1 million (21 times of the runner-up) in the US 21 with 47k copies at No 8. With streams and tracks sales 25 is at 3.3m.
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    Follow*NSYNCVerified account‏@NSYNCWe officially say Bye Bye Bye as @Adele says Hello to the Record: Most Albums Sold In a Single Week Congrats! #NSYNC
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    Also, 150k sold in Australia already, projecting to go 200k. Obviously an all-time record.

    Flopping in France with 90k in four days - all-time foreign record is held by Michael Jackson's Invincible, probably won't pass (160k).

    12k in Japan (No 13), physicals only (she's No 1 on iTunes) and only half a week.

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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Sir Elton's only song that's remembered is 'Your Song', even though CITW 1997 is constantly mentioned for obvious reasons.

    The Beatles's bubblegum pop songs were influential. They were the first to create that poppy formula= in that length, and that has led to the creation of many subsequent pop songs even till today.

    I didn't say her INFLUENCE is bigger than The Beatles. I said time and time again I didn't compare overall careers. I talked about the PEAK of an event's impact. And to say that this is the biggest since the Beatlemania is not even comparing it to The Beatles - if it's the biggest 'since' something, it means this thing is smaller. If you want to argue, bring up MJ, bring up Madonna; not The Beatles or anyone before them.

    You're still seeing this so simplistically. Luck obviously pays a factor, as it is the case with The Beatles and everyone else. But no formula could've led to this global slayage. She's selling more albums than all other albums available in the US combined. She's selling more albums than the next 600 albums in the UK combined.

    As I've said, if there's actually is a formula to do this, a lot more people would be selling much, much better.

    The fact that you're comparing her sales to that of Justin Bieber's and One Direction's just showed how terribly misguided you are of the situation. 1D sold a lot? Oh well, 25 is outselling their last three albums' overall sales plus all their singles in a week. Bieber sold a lot? Oh well, 21 doubled his career total. In this decade, 21 has the sales four times of the runner-up (1989).

    You're definitely right to say that 1D and Bieber became successful due to a formula. But a formula doesn't give you an album that literally scanned diamond in multiple countries.

    She's doing this across genres, across ages, across social classes, across languages, across cultures, across religions, across national borders. She's selling even in war-torn countries, even in locked down Belgium, even in paranoid France.

    BTW, her 'disappointing' Japanese sales still put her No 1 as international artists and No 4 overall (behind 2 vastly popular local acts), in a country that hardly speaks English, is xenophobic, and she has never even been to.
    Well, I could argue all of your points again and then you could argue all my points again but, in the end, it''s music, and all that really matters is whether you enjoyed the album and if you and millions of other people enjoyed the album then that's great.
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    Well, I could argue all of your points again and then you could argue all my points again but, in the end, it''s music, and all that really matters is whether you enjoyed the album and if you and millions of other people enjoyed the album then that's great.
    Well you were just clearly wrong to say she sells well only due to a formula, especially when you cited 1D and Bieber, whose sales could in no way be compared to Adele's, as examples...

    But OK.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Well you were just clearly wrong to say she sells well only due to a formula, especially when you cited 1D and Bieber, whose sales could in no way be compared to Adele's, as examples...

    But OK.
    It's not as much to do with sales, it's about how the public lap up generic formulaic music that's been done a million times before, see your own chart of era adjusted album sales, the only one that isn't generic and unoriginal is the Marshall Mather's LP.
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    (Original post by John55)
    It's not as much to do with sales, it's about how the public lap up generic formulaic music that's been done a million times before, see your own chart of era adjusted album sales, the only one that isn't generic and unoriginal is the Marshall Mather's LP.
    Did you miss the part where 25 is 42% of the total sales of the week?

    This is called 'standing out'. Music is subjective so there's little point arguing over that front. But you're clearly wrong - if it's exactly the same as a million other albums, why aren't they selling a fraction of what 25 is selling in a minute?

    Your 'generic' argument will always fail - there is obviously something different about 25 that makes it so much more impactful than any other album in history. She's not selling it at $0.99 (Born This Way). She's not forcing people to buy it by selling it with pizzas (1989). She's not maximising her first-week sales and creating a front-loaded mess (Graduation). It's not that the market is great and everyone's selling well (No Strings Attached).

    If she's so ordinary, so formulaic (ie anyone can do it), and so un-special, clearly she shouldn't be the only one doing these numbers. Even till now you have yet to explain this - it's purely illogical to believe that the album is totally the same as millions other yet this is the one that's outselling all of them combined.
 
 
 
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