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    I couldnt sleep, so i came back here:
    (Original post by ~Tara~)

    One night stands aren't a completely different breed of human interaction. What if a man says yes and he means no? There are multiple cues that we should listen to and if any one of them feels off we should check in with the person we are having sex with. We don't need to be having sex with them multiple times before we can do that. Our ability to empathise as humans means that we actually have the ability to read body language of people we don't know.

    We can't mind read. That's evident and I've never once said that the onus is on the man to check. Both parties should check.
    http://i.imgur.com/iWKad22.jpg
    This is assuming no misleading signals were given? What if the alleged rapist had been drinking but not fully drunk, thus slightly distorting his perception.


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    But regardless, what's wrong with the man actually checking? I don't hear this argument from respectful men. I appreciate this may be you trying to find the golden egg response. If such a thing existed we wouldn't need this discussion.
    Bit of a sexist remark no? Although all this thread is men defending equal rights, and women pushing for a feminist point of view.

    Men are less likely to come forward about rape allegations on themselves due to the risk of being laughed at or ridiculed by society.Believe it or not, it is MUCH MORE HARDER for a male to come out about being raped than a female.

    If OP got raped, she should go to the police.
    Im getting tired of people who cant handle their drink, then do regretful things and claim they had no control.
    Simple solution dont drink like an idiot. Problem solved.
    Although, im about to get attacked with "Thats not the point; she should be able to do what she wants; he creepily treated her inappropriately":
    All because OP thought it would be clever to down a liter of alcohol.
    Preventable or not, this would not have happened if OP did not down alcohol which she could not properly handle + being in the care of people who are not even close to her ("friends" friend). So....OP somewhat put herself in that situation.

    If she was raped, she can go to the police and seek justice.

    Im talking about this situation, so incase you get overexcited and you are about to post generic rape information, I understand there are situations where the violated have no control over what they can do, due to manipulation + potentially worse.
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    (Original post by Wilfred Little)
    "I remember telling him to put on a condom cause I was not about to get pregnant or an STI just because I was drunk" No.
    idk tbh but that sounds strange. yeh need to try get the facts right in your head.

    (Original post by IFoundWonderland)
    That's rape. You were drunk. You didn't consent. You don't remember it. You cried, he carried on. I had a *similar* experience, except I did say no. If you want, you can PM me. I remember even straight after it happened I didn't feel traumatised - didn't even really realise what had happened. You're probably still a bit drunk and hungover. It catches up on you.
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    I don't see how it's sexist to respond to repeated remarks about how a man shouldn't need to ask with the question what's wrong with him asking? Sexism has nothing to do with it..certainly not in my post.

    I'm not sure why you keep bringing up male victims in this context. I'm well aware of the barriers they face, the ridiculous remarks they hear from people in support roles because those people can't be bothered to educate themselves on male victims of rape and sexual abuse. Since I actually work with them and am working to build a safe disclosure environment for them, you're preaching to the wrong choir. I'm very active in defending the rights of male victims. And I certainly don't tolerate "feminists" who abuse the word feminist to demean male victims in order to push their own agenda.

    Much in the same way I'm tiring of your argument about "personal responsibility" of a rape victim. You're going to believe whatever you want to but soberity doesn't prevent rape.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    So I drank A LOT (at least a litre) and my "friend's" friends put me on a bus and I vaguely remember like talking to everyone on the bus and I met this guy (he was completely sober) and I told him where I lived and he still took me to his apartment. I remember telling him to put on a condom cause I was not about to get pregnant or an STI just because I was drunk. He would stop every so often to "cuddle" and I just remember waking feeling like complete **** and seeing like 3 full condoms on the floor. He wanted to do it "again" in the morning but I kept refusing but he still tried and again I told him to put the condom on;. He wasn't like violent though but he was a complete stranger and was like a decade older than me (he knew my age). He didn't ask me for permission, he'd just stop for a bit if I started crying or stopped saying anything. I feel like I couldn't push him away though because I was smoking his cigarettes and staying at his house so it was essentially my fault for getting that drunk in the first place. And I dont even know if I was up for it or not but most likely not since I didnt even want to do it with my boyfriend when I was sober. He didnt really "force force" me so honestly I'm so confused right now, I literally just got home. I don't THINK I was raped because I dont remember much and it wasn't exactly traumatising like the first time it happened (I was younger). I just feel so dirty and I feel like it was my fault cause I didnt really stop stop him and I didnt go home when I should have and continued to go to his apartment so I did have some sort of control in which direction it could have gone in. I feel sick but I think that is just cause I'm hungover.

    Should I just pretend it didnt happen and move on? One of those drunken mistakes things.
    Just sue that ***** and the law can settle this. If you don't, you will forever live with this guilt. Also, be sure to let the guy know so he knows to get a lawyer.
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    Yes you was raped. The reason why you put a condom on was to aviod being pregnant from a guy you barely know.

    If you are having sex and you say no and the other person refuses, it doesn't matter what is happening or going on at the time, then yes that it rape because it is non-consensual sex.

    People don't see it as rape are mostly ignorant because she asked to put a condom on but she was actually responsible for not risking to catch an STI or get pregnant.
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    (Original post by loveleest)
    Yes you was raped. The reason why you put a condom on was to aviod being pregnant from a guy you barely know.

    If you are having sex and you say no and the other person refuses, it doesn't matter what is happening or going on at the time, then yes that it rape because it is non-consensual sex.

    People don't see it as rape are mostly ignorant because she asked to put a condom on but she was actually responsible for not risking to catch an STI or get pregnant.
    When did she say no?
    Her thoughts seem quite all over the place. Like I wonder how it happened..going back to the house and all that..or maybe she doesnt remember?
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    So I drank A LOT (at least a litre) and my "friend's" friends put me on a bus and I vaguely remember like talking to everyone on the bus and I met this guy (he was completely sober) and I told him where I lived and he still took me to his apartment. I remember telling him to put on a condom cause I was not about to get pregnant or an STI just because I was drunk. He would stop every so often to "cuddle" and I just remember waking feeling like complete **** and seeing like 3 full condoms on the floor. He wanted to do it "again" in the morning but I kept refusing but he still tried and again I told him to put the condom on;. He wasn't like violent though but he was a complete stranger and was like a decade older than me (he knew my age). He didn't ask me for permission, he'd just stop for a bit if I started crying or stopped saying anything. I feel like I couldn't push him away though because I was smoking his cigarettes and staying at his house so it was essentially my fault for getting that drunk in the first place. And I dont even know if I was up for it or not but most likely not since I didnt even want to do it with my boyfriend when I was sober. He didnt really "force force" me so honestly I'm so confused right now, I literally just got home. I don't THINK I was raped because I dont remember much and it wasn't exactly traumatising like the first time it happened (I was younger). I just feel so dirty and I feel like it was my fault cause I didnt really stop stop him and I didnt go home when I should have and continued to go to his apartment so I did have some sort of control in which direction it could have gone in. I feel sick but I think that is just cause I'm hungover.

    Should I just pretend it didnt happen and move on? One of those drunken mistakes things.
    I'm sorry you feel confused and maybe violated. You were drinking and voluntarily went back to his house. You guys were talking about using condoms so you had to be up for sex. I understand how you're confused but I don't understand through that hole message you never say anything about your boyfriend. Are you going to tell him? do you feel bad that you were drunk and went to some other guy's house. Not just some other guy's house but a stranger's house. Are you going to tell him?If you're going to have sex with him you should be honest and tell him what happened. I don't think anything is your fault but I certainly think alcohol is at fault. When you're drinking your judgments aren't very clear and are impaired. You know when you drink things like this could possibly happen. I think you should be honest with your boyfriend and next time try to control your drinking a little. Good luck and I'm sorry if I sound judgemental in any way those were not my intentions. Good luck to you in the future I hope everything works out for the positive. Just try to keep your head up and just don't drink that much next time. Tell your friends to keep an eye out on you.
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    (Original post by Katarvi)
    To not get raped?

    That said though, I don't think this sounds like rape to me. My take away was you got to his apartment and asked him to put a condom on, sex ensued. You woke up in the morning and he wanted to sleep with you again but you refused repeatedly but he kept trying until you eventually told him to put a condom on again. This to me sounds more like he coerced you rather than forced you. He eventually wore you down to where you gave consent by requesting he wear a condom. Not saying it's okay for a man to do that, but it's not rape in my opinion.
    This for the summary of events, but I would like to add OP was crying as well so I think it does clearly cross the line of rape.

    edit- Saying that, I didn't quite understand the context of "continued to go to his apartment".

    (Original post by ripjonsnow)
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    If OP got raped, she should go to the police.
    Im getting tired of people who cant handle their drink, then do regretful things and claim they had no control.
    Simple solution dont drink like an idiot. Problem solved.
    Although, im about to get attacked with "Thats not the point; she should be able to do what she wants; he creepily treated her inappropriately":
    All because OP thought it would be clever to down a liter of alcohol.
    Preventable or not, this would not have happened if OP did not down alcohol which she could not properly handle + being in the care of people who are not even close to her ("friends" friend). So....OP somewhat put herself in that situation.

    If she was raped, she can go to the police and seek justice.

    Im talking about this situation, so incase you get overexcited and you are about to post generic rape information, I understand there are situations where the violated have no control over what they can do, due to manipulation + potentially worse.
    Although I advocate keeping in control of oneself by not drinking this had nothing to do with the rape occurring. As an analogy, each time you cross a road there is chance a maniac driver will run you over.
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    (Original post by ~Tara~)
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    1. No one's debating that she wouldn't have capacity to consent right after a litre of alcohol (though I'm assuming that's mixed, or she has the alcohol capacity of a miner). The question is, assuming you don't die of alcohol poisoning from that (or most likely, it's mixed), are you sober enough to consent say, 12 hours later? We have no timeframes. Also, one question I'm unaware of, what if he was also drunk? You can't always tell (especially if you yourself are drunk), I know I'm not too bad right up until the point of throwing up.

    2. What specific law are you referring to? My understanding was that a threat or implication of force/violence was required for that. Someone who does that is someone you want to avoid obviously, but the question is whether the law's been broken.

    3. Agreed. Just to be clear, are we using the same definition of capacity as the NHS? (previously linked, http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Consent.../Capacity.aspx)

    4. Idiocy and callousness, yes, but some very light tears may not be unusual for a first time (though a moral person would obtain enthusiastic consent, but this is law rather than ethics).

    5. Agreed, however, implied consent is a thing (with certain limits).

    6. Agreed.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    okay so me asking to put the condom means that I technically consented?
    to be honest if you happily went to his house and had sex without saying you didn't want to then it's reasonable to think you had consented anyway... the issue here is you being totally hammered... my personal opinion is that if you were both very drunk I would see it as a drunken mistake, assuming he was sober I would view that as rape as he clearly saw a drunk girl and thought you wouldn't be able to say no
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    (Re going to Brixton)

    (Original post by donutellme)
    They don't deserve to get murdered, but like it or not, there's probably gonna be an extra hole somewhere on them.
    Just as some of the posters here have fortunately never been in a situation where some man was going to stick his penis in them regardless of what they thought about it and never expect to do so, clearly some have never been to Brixton (and never expect to do so!)

    It was about forty minutes away at the end of a bus route from where I used to live in London and I've never had a problem with my personal safety there on numerous visits.

    I am old enough that one of those was for a Pride meeting in the late 90s. (Several LGBT organisations were/are housed in a business centre there.) When I arrived, there was a demonstration nearby about the death of someone in police custody. By the time the meeting finished, a riot had just kicked off - the department store had been broken into, there was smoke coming out of the station etc - and all the local public transport was closed or diverted.

    The rioters were vastly more helpful and useful in terms of directing me, a white and (thanks to a t-shirt) visibly bisexual person, so I could get safely home than any of the police standing around watching were...
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    (Original post by ripjonsnow)
    She also drank a considerably large amount of alcohol, which diminishes a lot of OPs character and responsibility. If you cant handle your drink. Dont.
    "Although it is men who perpetrate rape, it is women who are urged to modify their behaviour by abstaining or drinking less, and thus accommodate the danger posed by predatory men."

    thisisnotaninvitationtorapeme.co .uk/drinking

    If OP wasnt drinking/drunk, she has a valid case (semi) although she was drinking alcohol, she claims she was drunk, yer remembers clear details,
    Never having drunk more than a fraction of a glass of wine etc in any one day, I can only speak from talking to and being with people who've had much more. But it's clear that many drunk people fade into and out of consciousness. They remain drunk, lacking capacity, but will remember some things but not others.

    Here, there's a mention of the start of one rape in the middle of the night:

    "I remember telling him to put on a condom cause I was not about to get pregnant or an STI just because I was drunk."

    .. but when she woke, there were

    "like 3 full condoms on the floor."

    Most importantly:
    WHAT DID SHE SAY TO THE ALLEGED IN THE BUS TO LEAD HIM TO TAKE HER TO HIS HOME?

    If the alleged approached OP, OP can go to the police and use that as evidence supporting her case. If it was the other way around...well.. whoes to blame then?
    It is one of the least important bits of the story. What she probably did was just 'be very drunk while in possession of a vagina' which made him think 'victim!!'

    I hope you have a big badge on: IF YOU APPROACH ME, I WILL TREAT THAT AS CONSENT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU.
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    (Original post by ripjonsnow)
    If she was raped, she should go to the police. There should be no argument against this really.
    Never having been raped, I can't be completely certain as to what I'd do and I am not going to tell anyone that they "should" get the police involved, "no argument". Especially in the context of a space where we have a pile of £$%&'s going 'it wasn't rape' / 'you deserved it' / 'I wouldn't convict'.

    It'd be good if she did report it somehow - various groups will help - because it's unlikely that this is the first time he's done this, but if she chooses not to put herself through a long process with no guarantee of seeing him convicted at the end of it, then that's her decision and telling her that it's wrong is not helping her.
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    (Original post by JoeTSR)
    He's an arse (or more, I wasn't there, I don't know the full situation), no question.
    Yep, all of us can only go on what's been presented.

    Enter hypothetical man. Had a bit to drink, but not visibly stumbling/puking drunk. Kissing, talking, etc etc, ends up at home with a girl. Maybe she had a bit to drink earlier, but she doesn't seem drunk now, able to walk/talk fine, etc.

    He's sexually inexperienced and drunk, as a result, he thinks it's her first time and it's just the pain that's making her cry (though he stops until he's sure she's ok before continuing). Maybe he's a bit over-persistent, but while that's not a particularly nice character trait, it doesn't equal sexual assault.

    There you go. Not saying that's how it happened, but that's one possible explanation that wouldn't be rape (at least, I don't think so?) based on the limited information given.
    Nice try, even if I very much doubt some of it is justified.

    As I said, I'd love to hear his version, and I'd bet it's closer to mine than yours.
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    (Original post by AJ KO)
    I agree.

    But it's strange how most people are focusing on criticising the OP (the victim) without criticising the actual perpetrator, whilst simultaneously stating that the OP is not at fault.
    She opened her legs out to him, it's like putting a 1000 pounds on the ground in front of a thief, walking away and expecting it to be when you get back. Yeah the thief is at fault but you gave him an opportunity that he can't resist, of course he's a knob for stealing the money but equally putting the money there in the first place is stupid.

    Overall this just sounds like a typical case of 'Oh I was too drunk + I had sex + I now regret it = Rape', if OP is mature enough to have get wasted and have casual sex with strangers, she's mature enough to deal with the consequences.
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    (Original post by unprinted)
    1. "Although it is men who perpetrate rape, it is women who are urged to modify their behaviour by abstaining or drinking less, and thus accommodate the danger posed by predatory men."

    thisisnotaninvitationtorapeme.co .uk/drinking



    2. Never having drunk more than a fraction of a glass of wine etc in any one day, I can only speak from talking to and being with people who've had much more. But it's clear that many drunk people fade into and out of consciousness. They remain drunk, lacking capacity, but will remember some things but not others.

    Here, there's a mention of the start of one rape in the middle of the night:

    "I remember telling him to put on a condom cause I was not about to get pregnant or an STI just because I was drunk."

    .. but when she woke, there were

    "like 3 full condoms on the floor."



    3. It is one of the least important bits of the story. What she probably did was just 'be very drunk while in possession of a vagina' which made him think 'victim!!'

    I hope you have a big badge on: IF YOU APPROACH ME, I WILL TREAT THAT AS CONSENT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU.
    1. Upon first, second and third glance looking at that site, it is obviously biased in favor of women. "it is women who are urged to modify their behaviour by abstaining or drinking less" Have you seen how most women act when they are drunk? Im making an accusation from experience, I guarantee this point will be nitpicked as a general accusation, but from what is gathered by the information OP provided, I doubt OP was keeping to her self on the bus. She does not say how she initiated conversation with the alleged rapist.
    Again, OP is apparently of legal age to drink, THEREFORE no matter what the gender, they should both be responsible how however much they consume.

    2. Again, all of these side effects are from too much alcohol consumption. If OP is the legal age she should be responsible for how much she consumes, not the strangers around her.

    3. How is that the least important part of the story? Surely what happened to make her go to his house is a vital part of the story, which is massively obscured. OP does not say the drunk person approached her.

    (Original post by ArabianPhoenix)
    She opened her legs out to him, it's like putting a 1000 pounds on the ground in front of a thief, walking away and expecting it to be when you get back. Yeah the thief is at fault but you gave him an opportunity that he can't resist, of course he's a knob for stealing the money but equally putting the money there in the first place is stupid.

    Overall this just sounds like a typical case of 'Oh I was too drunk + I had sex + I now regret it = Rape', if OP is mature enough to have get wasted and have casual sex with strangers, she's mature enough to deal with the consequences.
    I believe this to be the most likely scenario.

    (Original post by unprinted)
    Never having been raped, I can't be completely certain as to what I'd do and I am not going to tell anyone that they "should" get the police involved, "no argument". Especially in the context of a space where we have a pile of £$%&'s going 'it wasn't rape' / 'you deserved it' / 'I wouldn't convict'.

    It'd be good if she did report it somehow - various groups will help - because it's unlikely that this is the first time he's done this, but if she chooses not to put herself through a long process with no guarantee of seeing him convicted at the end of it, then that's her decision and telling her that it's wrong is not helping her.
    Its abit of a stupid arguemnt that rape victims get no sympathy. IF THEY HAVE BEEN RAPED AND IT IS REPORTED IT WILL BE INVESTIGATED, IF THERE IS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE THE ALLEGED RAPIST WILL BE IN A HUGE AMOUNT OF TROUBLE. The whole idea of "you deserved it" "it wasnt rape" is when those scenarios take place, and when people are falsely accused and it ruins their lives; espeically when OP makes "logical" decisions to drink a liter of alcohol with no collateral, close friends with her, or precautions. YES THIS ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN WHEN DRINKING ALCOHOL. IT IS A DRUG JUST LIKE Tobacco, Weed, Cocaine etc... When consumed it should be taken with responsibility.
    If I were to do 5 lines of coke and decide to rob a bank, I surely cant be liable can I? Because I could not consent due to not being in the right mindset?
    Ofcouse I would be liable because it was my decision to do those 5 lines of coke before trying to rob a bank.
    YES they can be compared, as both are mind altering substances.
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    (Original post by ripjonsnow)
    1. Upon first, second and third glance looking at that site, it is obviously biased in favor of women.
    While men get raped, it's women who are the primary victims so it doesn't surprise me that a site designed to reduce rape could be seen to be biased in favour of women.

    "it is women who are urged to modify their behaviour by abstaining or drinking less" Have you seen how most women act when they are drunk?
    I've seen drunk people, yes. Regardless of their gender, they're not people I want to be particularly near, never mind be sexual with.

    Im making an accusation from experience, I guarantee this point will be nitpicked as a general accusation, but from what is gathered by the information OP provided, I doubt OP was keeping to her self on the bus. She does not say how she initiated conversation with the alleged rapist.
    Again, OP is apparently of legal age to drink, THEREFORE no matter what the gender, they should both be responsible how however much they consume.
    She doesn't say she initiated it - "I vaguely remember like talking to everyone on the bus" is not enough to be sure - but whether or not she did being drunk on a bus and talking to people is not consent to having a penis put in you.

    2. Again, all of these side effects are from too much alcohol consumption. If OP is the legal age she should be responsible for how much she consumes, not the strangers around her.
    No, they should responsible for not sticking their penis in a very drunk woman who clearly did not want to have sex with them.

    3. How is that the least important part of the story? Surely what happened to make her go to his house is a vital part of the story, which is massively obscured. OP does not say the drunk person approached her.
    Congratulations! You win the Alan Dershowitz award! When he was attempting to defend Mike Tyson against a charge of rape, his line was that the victim "knew the rules" when she went to his room.

    Nope, as the jury in that case agreed, going to someone's house is not consent to having a penis put in you.

    Why did she go to his house? Probably - and again there's not enough to be sure - because she couldn't get to where she wanted to go, home, without help and he was more interested in repeatedly sticking his penis in her without any possible witnesses to allow that.

    Based on what's been said, do you think any of it was rape, including in the morning?

    "He wanted to do it 'again' in the morning but I kept refusing but he still tried ... He didn't ask me for permission, he'd just stop for a bit if I started crying or stopped saying anything."
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    (Original post by unprinted)
    While men get raped, it's women who are the primary victims so it doesn't surprise me that a site designed to reduce rape could be seen to be biased in favour of women.



    I've seen drunk people, yes. Regardless of their gender, they're not people I want to be particularly near, never mind be sexual with.



    She doesn't say she initiated it - "I vaguely remember like talking to everyone on the bus" is not enough to be sure - but whether or not she did being drunk on a bus and talking to people is not consent to having a penis put in you.



    No, they should responsible for not sticking their penis in a very drunk woman who clearly did not want to have sex with them.



    Congratulations! You win the Alan Dershowitz award! When he was attempting to defend Mike Tyson against a charge of rape, his line was that the victim "knew the rules" when she went to his room.

    Nope, as the jury in that case agreed, going to someone's house is not consent to having a penis put in you.

    Why did she go to his house? Probably - and again there's not enough to be sure - because she couldn't get to where she wanted to go, home, without help and he was more interested in repeatedly sticking his penis in her without any possible witnesses to allow that.

    Based on what's been said, do you think any of it was rape, including in the morning?

    "He wanted to do it 'again' in the morning but I kept refusing but he still tried ... He didn't ask me for permission, he'd just stop for a bit if I started crying or stopped saying anything."
    Again, you are blaming the alleged rapist for OPs actions. The whole
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    being drunk on a bus and talking to people is not consent to having a penis put in you."
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    going to someone's house is not consent to having a penis put in you."

    is a silly argument to make, If someone came up to someone who is horny and said they wanted to have sex, yet being drunk, its not the horny persons fault for being approached by the drunk, asking for sex (Im not saying OP asked for sex, but at what point did I say its Ok for stick a penis in someone who doesnt consent? OP clearly consented and is feeling regrets by leaving out/obscuring parts of her story).

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    While men get raped, it's women who are the primary victims so it doesn't surprise me that a site designed to reduce rape could be seen to be biased in favour of women.
    "
    Urm. No. In the US men are more likely to get raped.
    Also here are the UK statistics:
    http://rapecrisis.org.uk/statistics.php
    It clearly shows a larger amount for women, but I stick to my previous point that men are FAR less likely to come forward about being raped than a women, due to being ridiculed by society, its not a "thing", its a fact, which has been caused by the media and society.

    When OP went to his house did she think they would be baking cookies?
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    (Original post by ripjonsnow)
    Of couse I would be liable because it was my decision to do those 5 lines of coke before trying to rob a bank.
    Yep, self-induced intoxication is not a defence to robbing a bank (and the rest...)

    But that's irrelevant: before sticking your penis in someone you need a reasonable belief in their consent, whether they're sober, drunk or high.

    Them asking you to put a condom on first is not grounds for a reasonable belief if you've made it clear that you're going to do it even though they've repeatedly said they didn't want you to do it and cry when you do. It might get you a lower sentence (ejaculating in the complainant is an aggravating matter when it comes to sentencing someone for rape) but that's about it.
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    But that's irrelevant: before sticking your penis in someone you need a reasonable belief in their consent, whether they're sober, drunk or high.

    Them asking you to put a condom on first is not grounds for a reasonable belief if you've made it clear that you're going to do it even though they've repeatedly said they didn't want you to do it and cry when you do. It might get you a lower sentence (ejaculating in the complainant is an aggravating matter when it comes to sentencing someone for rape) but that's about it.
    Why is it irrelevant? It just looks like your looking over the point to try and make your own. How do we know the alleged rapist was fully sober?
    If OP feels she was raped, she should go to the police, where they can investigate and conduct tests. Its common for drunk people to cry, due to having an obscured emotional state from alcohol consumption.
    If OP said she didnt want to do it, and was crying, alleged rapist would have been more likely to kill her than let her go.
 
 
 
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Updated: April 14, 2016
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