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    (Original post by TorpidPhil)
    Of course they are...

    People have a stupid view of mental illness where they think that it is some disease you contract.

    Put simply if you think a fairy man talks to you telling you how to behave then you are mentally ill.

    Likewise if you think a specific ethnic group are superior to others on the basis of genes to the extent that it justifies genocide you are clearly mentally ill.
    You are confusing extreme ignorance with mental illness and ironically are being extremely ignorant
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    No.

    If we did that every time someone got killed then we may as well close down the debate forum.

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    It's 24 hours. It's out of respect for somebody who has died, you can debate a million posts worth after that 24 hours, but our hearts need to be with Jo right now, not with furthering any political arguments using her.
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    (Original post by Thutmose-III)
    If he acted pursuant to a political ideology (even if he is also mentally ill) then it is terrorism.
    I agree completely. I'm just wondering how many will pin this on solely mental illness
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    (Original post by otester)
    I wouldn't be surprised if this was organized and she drew the short straw to save the Remainian campaign.
    **** off.

    (Original post by Student403)
    Wonder if people will call this "terrorism"....
    What difference does it make?

    Why are people so concerned with buzzwords?
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    You think every single Nazi was a sociopath?
    I think all the top Nazis were, sure. Sociopaths at least, many of them were outright psychpaths and there's now little question that Hitler suffered from quite severe mental illness along with drug induced psychoses.

    Every single person that kills another for their beliefs is a sociopath?
    Every person that kills another in cold blood for an ideological belief suffers from some kind of anti-social or non-empathetic /anti-social personality disorder, yes.
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    (Original post by TorpidPhil)
    Not what I'm saying as such. I mean, what do they want?

    It isn't just the far right good sir. That's my point. It's the majority of the working class, at least up here. They absolutely despise Muslims. And it isn't just the working class that hate this ridiculous PC culture that our politics and academia has developed.

    While most of such people will not resort to violence far more than just far-right groups will do so if things only continue to worsen. Therefore we need ideological change in how we deal with ethnic/cultural differences within society.
    If, as you suggest, a distrust/dislike of Muslims is ingrained in the majority of our society, then surely it's just as valid to target that attitude as it is to target the issues bred by radical Islam. If they both lead to violence, then neither can be condoned or defended, we should be intervening in both.

    Either way, the idea that this stems from PC culture is absurd. It is an issue that irritates some of the population at best, but it is not a major contributor to a level of social polarity that can lead to murder.
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    (Original post by Student403)
    Wonder if people will call this "terrorism"....
    I would say so. It seems to be politically motivated.

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    (Original post by otester)
    I wouldn't be surprised if this was organized and she drew the short straw to save the Remainian campaign.

    Apparently the referendum might be delayed...how convenient just as Leave is starting to win...
    while the govt, just like any other, is known for dodgy business here and there, murdering an MP is a ludicrous thing to suggest and also what exactly would the murderer get out of this if he was hired? Life in jail to murder an MP doesn't sound like a good paycheck.
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    (Original post by A Mysterious Lord)
    Terrible news, RIP

    Anyone who attempts to use this to politically point-score is scum. No exceptions.
    We're still good to go on the Orlando threads though, right?
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    (Original post by TelAviv)
    Should keep in mind the picture being circulated is evidently many years old, he looks about 35 in it.

    I've based my description of him off the blurred images of his arrest. I know it's still unlikely he's actually in the video, but the one clear picture of him available at the moment doesn't seem reliable enough to assert he's not there.

    Also, does it go against the rules to post the said video to TSR, either on a thread or via PM?
    Not that Mirror pic - looks about 60!

    I've seen the vid - and have quicktimed it to my Mac in case they take it down
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    Of course he was....
    Nothing to do with the fact he was a far right activist supporting Britain first, he was just 'mentally lll' like all far right terrorists.
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    (Original post by nutcase13)
    while the govt, just like any other, is known for dodgy business here and there, murdering an MP is a ludicrous thing to suggest and also what exactly would the murderer get out of this if he was hired? Life in jail to murder an MP doesn't sound like a good paycheck.
    Wouldn't be the first time a government has used a mentally unstable individual to get dirty work done.

    Personally I don't mind Brexit being delayed because I want the upcoming financial crisis to fall squarely on the Remanians side of the referendum, propelling us outwards.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Of course he was....
    Nothing to do with the fact he was a far right activist supporting Britain first, he was just 'mentally lll' like all far right terrorists.
    source on him supporting britain first?
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Do you concede it appears likely an attack due to his mental health and not his political ideology?
    I mean, no one has any idea as to his motive just yet given the police haven't released any information regarding their investigation as to his motive. So I'm not sure how you can say one motive is more likely than the other. Because..you literally have no idea like the rest of us. Unless you're just speculating of course.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    **** off.



    What difference does it make?

    Why are people so concerned with buzzwords?
    Consistency. Terrorism almost requires a greater response than a perceived one off attack by a 'mentally ill' person.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    No the way you put it across came across as an attack on the right being the only violent side, I was pointing out that the left are just as violent.
    Actually, that's probably not true. Has there been a left-wing Breivik in the last 30 or 40 years? Are there any left-wing groups that carry out the equivalent of firebombing attacks on synagogues and mosques as neo-Nazis do? Are there any left-wingers that conduct shootings equivalent to how hard right religious lunatics target abortion doctors and clinics?

    There used to be left-wing terrorism in Europe (Baader-Meinhof Gang, Red Brigades, Carlos the Jackal etc). It really doesn't exist anymore. Right-wing terrorism does still exist. To the extent that some left-wing idiots have been violent at anti-Trump demonstrations, so have Trump supporters been violent to such demonstrators. All of them should be locked up.

    But if you think the lunatic world of the Trump camp and the exaggerated things that go on around it constitute the entire political universe then you're really not very bright
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    (Original post by otester)
    Wouldn't be the first time a government has used a mentally unstable individual to get dirty work done.

    Personally I don't mind Brexit being delayed because I want the upcoming financial crisis to fall squarely on the Remanians side of the referendum, propelling us outwards.
    Disgusting how when someone is murdered you:
    a) suggest it was some sort of plot (this isn't the US, the british govt are too pussies to do anything like that)
    b) Use her death as some sort of great event that will help secure a remain vote
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    (Original post by Thutmose-III)
    Actually, that's probably not true. Has there been a left-wing Breivik in the last 30 or 40 years? Are there any left-wing groups that carry out the equivalent of firebombing attacks on synagogues and mosques as neo-Nazis do? Are there any left-wingers that conduct shootings equivalent to how hard right religious lunatics target abortion doctors and clinics?

    There used to be left-wing terrorism in Europe (Baader-Meinhof Gang, Red Brigades, Carlos the Jackal etc). It really doesn't exist anymore. Right-wing terrorism does still exist. To the extent that some left-wing idiots have been violent at anti-Trump demonstrations, so have Trump supporters been violent to such demonstrators. All of them should be locked up.

    But if you think the lunatic world of the Trump camp and the exaggerated things that go on around it constitute the entire political universe then you're really not very bright
    Wasn't Breivik a national socialist?
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    (Original post by nutcase13)
    Disgusting how when someone is murdered you:
    a) suggest it was some sort of plot (this isn't the US, the british govt are too pussies to do anything like that)
    b) Use her death as some sort of great event that will help secure a remain vote
    a) I suggest you learn a little more history, the UK government has got away with a lot of bad stuff in the past, even using concentration camps/death squads on its own soil (Northern Ireland) against innocent citizens.
    b) Well that's what the establishment does when necessary...cannibalizes its own in order to win.
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    Sad event. I disagree with her political views but no human deserves to be killed for having an opinion.
 
 
 
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