June 24th: 'UK Independence Day'. The People of Great Britain Have Spoken. Now What?

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
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    The delusion from you is astonishing.

    You're like Daniel Hannan. Pretending the brexit vote was some massive vote of populist support for free markets.

    Libertarians riding a wave of **** they don't understand (or don't want to) and can't control.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    The delusion from you is astonishing.

    You're like Daniel Hannan. Pretending the brexit vote was some massive vote of populist support for free markets.

    Libertarians riding a wave of **** they don't understand (or don't want to) and can't control.
    The experience in the US suggests that it will be sooner rather than later that their self-delusion bubble gets popped by the authoritarian right whose coat-tails they have ridden.
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    Interesting article in the Telegraph saying that the commision expects us to beg... i dare say given the current movement that the real shock for them will be how little we want, how far detached we want our relationship to be.

    When i voted, in my mind i expected a pretty easy transition to a Norway agreement (people overreacting but in the end, eu-lite). It's somewhat suprising how much pressure there is to actually leave the single market for better or worse and also how willing May is to go with it.

    Eventually i think we'll go for Canada with a bit more icing on the cake.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Interesting article in the Telegraph saying that the commision expects us to beg... i dare say given the current movement that the real shock for them will be how little we want, how far detached we want our relationship to be.

    When i voted, in my mind i expected a pretty easy transition to a Norway agreement (people overreacting but in the end, eu-lite). It's somewhat suprising how much pressure there is to actually leave the single market for better or worse and also how willing May is to go with it.

    Eventually i think we'll go for Canada with a bit more icing on the cake.
    France and co are spouting the nonsense of them demanding a visa from British citizens if we go over there, well two can play at that game and they'd need a visa to come here as well. Wonder how long they'd like that for.
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    France and co are spouting the nonsense of them demanding a visa from British citizens if we go over there, well two can play at that game and they'd need a visa to come here as well. Wonder how long they'd like that for.
    That's alright - they still have the rest of the EU in which they can travel around.

    A 2013 survey found that most French people stayed in their own country for vacations. This is probably down to the fact that they have access to nice beaches and good weather. The same can be said of most other continental EU countries - especially given that the top reason for going on holiday was 'sun/beaches'.

    The UK didn't even come within the top 5 holiday destinations for other EU countries.

    So I'd still say that the UK is getting the poorer deal.
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    There are plenty of other more exotic countries besides France Germany and co that British citizens can go to on their holidays without needing a visa. For example many countries in South America, Malaysia, Thailand etc. If anything maybe this will encourage people to broaden their horizons.

    Also we'll be getting reduced influx of certain citizens of certain Eastern European countries, which is really what the aim was anyway
    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    That's alright - they still have the rest of the EU in which they can travel around.

    A 2013 survey found that most French people stayed in their own country for vacations. This is probably down to the fact that they have access to nice beaches and good weather. The same can be said of most other continental EU countries - especially given that the top reason for going on holiday was 'sun/beaches'.

    The UK didn't even come within the top 5 holiday destinations for other EU countries.

    So I'd still say that the UK is getting the poorer deal.
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    There are plenty of other more exotic countries besides France Germany and co that British citizens can go to on their holidays without needing a visa. For example many countries in South America, Malaysia, Thailand etc. If anything maybe this will encourage people to broaden their horizons.
    Cool - lets sort out my Autumn holiday plans!

    London to Barcelona. Flight time: 2 hours and 15 minutes. Cost: £40

    London to Phuket. Flight time: 21 hours and 40 minutes. Cost: £430

    Lets try Rio! Flight time: 11 hours (Yay!) Cost: £690... (oh)

    10 times the cost. 10 times duration of travel. I'm still not seeing how this is a good thing... especially given that non EU destinations were already an option for British holiday makers.
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    There are plenty of other more exotic countries besides France Germany and co that British citizens can go to on their holidays without needing a visa. For example many countries in South America, Malaysia, Thailand etc. If anything maybe this will encourage people to broaden their horizons.

    Also we'll be getting reduced influx of certain citizens of certain Eastern European countries, which is really what the aim was anyway
    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Cool - lets sort out my Autumn holiday plans!

    London to Barcelona. Flight time: 2 hours and 15 minutes. Cost: £40

    London to Phuket. Flight time: 21 hours and 40 minutes. Cost: £430

    10 times the cost. 10 times the time on a plane. I'm still not seeing how this is a good thing... especially given that non EU destinations were already an option for British holiday makers.
    See the highlighted.

    Edit: also you are being completely pedantic and over dramatic. Us leaving the EU will just mean visas will be set in place. People will still be able to travel to EU countries, they'll just need a visa. It would NOT be in the best interests of these countries to be banning British citizens from entering as you're acting like they are
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    See the highlighted.

    Edit: also you are being completely pedantic and over dramatic. Us leaving the EU will just mean visas will be set in place. People will still be able to travel to EU countries, they'll just need a visa. It would NOT be in the best interests of these countries to be banning British citizens from entering as you're acting like they are
    Well it hasn't been established that there will be a halt to EU immigration. The way things are going, we could still be left with freedom of movement applying to us. So I wouldn't rest too easy on that point.

    And anyway, stopping immigration from the EU doesn't matter to me - and it doesn't matter to a lot of people who voted to leave.

    I never said that we would be prevented from entering EU countries. I was commenting on what has been mooted. It is clear that these plans would add further requirements for British holiday makers. They'd have to apply for a visa and no doubt this would cost money. Whichever way you slice it, under these suggestions, the position of a British holiday maker is worse after Brexit than it was before.

    You were the one who responded by suggesting that a jaunt to South America or the Far East was a suitable alternative to popping over the Channel.
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Well it hasn't been established that there will be a halt to EU immigration. The way things are going, we could still be left with freedom of movement applying to us. So I wouldn't rest too easy on that point.

    And anyway, stopping immigration from the EU doesn't matter to me - and it doesn't matter to a lot of people who voted to leave.

    I never said that we would be prevented from entering EU countries. I was commenting on what has been mooted. It is clear that these plans would add further requirements for British holiday makers. They'd have to apply for a visa and no doubt this would cost money. Whichever way you slice it, under these suggestions, the position of a British holiday maker is worse after Brexit than it was before.

    You were the one who responded by suggesting that a jaunt to South America or the Far East was a suitable alternative to popping over the Channel.
    Holiday makers can save up for a more meaningful holiday than a week of tanning by the Spanish/Greek coast and getting wasted, where would the harm in that be? Maybe they'd come back more cultured after a holiday to Thailand as opposed to Magaluf.
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    Holiday makers can save up for a more meaningful holiday than a week of tanning by the Spanish/Greek coast and getting wasted, where would the harm in that be? Maybe they'd come back more cultured after a holiday to Thailand as opposed to Magaluf.
    Alternatively, they may come back more cultured having explored the Minoan ruins in Crete as opposed to getting stoned at a full moon party in Thailand.

    If your knowledge on the topic amounts to "EU = Magaluf", then you clearly have no idea.

    You seem to be admitting that visiting more distant places would cost more and mean that people take fewer holidays. Why can't you just admit that these proposals would be a bad result for ordinary British holiday makers?
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Alternatively, they may come back more cultured having explored the Minoan ruins in Crete as opposed to getting stoned at a full moon party in Thailand.

    If your knowledge on the topic amounts to "EU = Magaluf", then you clearly have no idea.

    You seem to be admitting that visiting more distant places would cost more and mean that people take fewer holidays. Why can't you just admit that these proposals would be a bad result for ordinary British holiday makers?
    It will be an online visa application form that will take minutes to complete. It will take longer to read the small print on your ryan air booking and will become an automatic thing like checking in online and pre advising your passport number. People of the UK will adapt!
    People like you are over reacting. If your heart is so set on Barcelona and Crete, even adding on the cost of a visa won't make the holiday cost as much as a plain ticket to South America.
    Having said this, I think we'd gain more from visit far and remote countries
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    Having said this, I think we'd gain more from visit far and remote countries
    And we can't do that now why?
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    And we can't do that now why?
    Of course we can still do that, but by implementing the visa to EU countries, it will stop people flocking to France and co like they're on autopilot and encourage them to broaden their scope
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    Of course we can still do that
    So the only thing that'll change is that it'll be slightly more hassle and costly to visit 27 countries than it was beforehand.

    but by implementing the visa to EU countries, it will stop people flocking to France and co like they're on autopilot and encourage them to broaden their scope
    So you think that the proposals are onerous enough to encourage people to think of going somewhere outside of the EU. But that, on the whole, this is a good thing because people can't be trusted to decide where to go on holiday on their own?

    Aside from the fact that people should be able to holiday wherever they want, I don't think that the proposals will work this way.

    Other destinations are much more expensive and further away. They just aren't suitable alternatives for many EU destinations.

    People will continue to go to the continent. But now their holidays have just got more expensive and there is more admin.

    It's amazing that you see this as a gain. The mind of a Brexiter eh?
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    I think it's a bit foolish to deny that holidays have got 'worse' due to Brexit, with the additional admin and fees impending, but in the bright side it's literally only £50 added on and won't take too long to complete. Inconvenient, but not exactly the be all and end all. My biggest concern right now is single market access or some kind, at least for our services. Without this I think we'll be in a tough economic position. I am mellowing a bit to some other Brexit causes though, like increased self-governance. I think for me, the most desirable outcome now is 'soft' Brexit where we retain single market access but don't have to subscribe to certain other policies and laws.
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    (Original post by Zargabaath)
    sulking because you didn't get what you wanted
    It's tragic, Bremoaners are still at it! :laugh:

    Fine, Scotland might well leave
    Looks less likely by the day, tbh. Far too much uncertainty/potential risk for economic misery. Bad luck SNP separatists!
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    It's tragic, Bremoaners are still at it! :laugh:

    Looks less likely by the day, tbh. Far too much uncertainty/potential risk for economic misery. Bad luck SNP separatists!
    the leave supporters will be the ones moaning soon, no one in parliament wants Brexit, our situation is almost certainly going to be identical to how things are now, and you lot will whinge about not getting your precious lowered immigration or that £350 million
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Spot on! This would have been equally true if the vote had gone the other way, of course
    Some parts more than others, and some parts more possible than others e.g. holding political leaders/parties directly to account (no longer can they palm off criticism onto the EU, post-Brexit) :naughty:
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    (no longer can they palm off criticism onto the EU, post-Brexit) :naughty:
    Providing they give us everything we want in any deal. If not it's their fault and not messrs Fox, Davis and Johnson.
 
 
 
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