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MHoC By-Election: Voting Watch

  • View Poll Results: Who should be elected as an MP in seat 50?
    Aph
    3
    2.94%
    adam9317
    22
    21.57%
    Birchington
    23
    22.55%
    george_c00per
    34
    33.33%
    ABoyHasNoName
    17
    16.67%
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    I've been tracking the vote totals so that I can release a graph when the results come out and they make for interesting reading.
    Will you be checking for ineligible voters first?
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Will you be checking for ineligible voters first?
    Yes, though obviously the running totals include ineligible voters.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    george_c00per: Good style, although could do with a tiny bit more polish. A selection of good, workable policy proposals under a coherent ideological banner. You have my vote
    Thank you for your vote!!!
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I am liberal!!! But I'm also authoritarian...

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    An interesting combo there!
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    An interesting combo there!
    Indeed.
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    An interesting combo there!
    Serious question, I haven't known you as a debater, merely as an excellent impartial speaker...

    ...is this, like, a really severe smackdown by your standards?
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Serious question, I haven't known you as a debater, merely as an excellent impartial speaker...

    ...is this, like, a really severe smackdown by your standards?
    I had the pleasure of seeing him before his speakership, he was good.

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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Serious question, I haven't known you as a debater, merely as an excellent impartial speaker...

    ...is this, like, a really severe smackdown by your standards?
    Thanks! That wasn't meant as a 'smackdown', I was just genuinely intrigued by Aph merging together 2 ideas that usually don't mix.
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    Thanks! That wasn't meant as a 'smackdown', I was just genuinely intrigued by Aph merging together 2 ideas that usually don't mix.
    Surely all you need to know is it's Aph

    Speaking of which, Aph: did you read Orwell and think "wow, this sounds great!?"

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Surely all you need to know is it's Aph

    Speaking of which, Aph: did you read Orwell and think "wow, this sounds great!?"

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    Is this animal farm? Haven't read it but any fictional book like that cannot be asserted to be exactly what would happen otherwise I'd say "have you seen Star Trek and thought it was awful?"
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Is this animal farm? Haven't read it but any fictional book like that cannot be asserted to be exactly what would happen otherwise I'd say "have you seen Star Trek and thought it was awful?"
    I was more thinking 1984, although I must say Cran fits that much better

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    Will the exit poll be released before 15:30 today?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I was more thinking 1984, although I must say Cran fits that much better

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    Having read a brief synopsis that isn't communism or even socialism. It's a powerful oppressive elite dictating to the rest of the country and keeping them down so the elite can stay up.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Having read a brief synopsis that isn't communism or even socialism. It's a powerful oppressive elite dictating to the rest of the country and keeping them down so the elite can stay up.
    Which is the same thing

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Which is the same thing

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    Except that it isn't.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Except that it isn't.
    Capitalism is a label that makes people think they can better themselves, socialism is a label that makes people think they can't better themselves because they're already at the top. Think is the important word.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Capitalism is a label that makes people think they can better themselves, socialism is a label that makes people think they can't better themselves because they're already at the top. Think is the important word.
    You misunderstand socialism and how it can be effectlvly applied then. In a socialist society people can still improve themselves but not in monetary terms. They instead seek to improve knowledge or sporting ability ect. You compete and you recognise that there probably are people with a better ability than you but the competition is friendly and losing doesn't cost you in a financial sense and you are not disadvantaged by it.

    Capitalism tells people at the bottom that they are at the bottom and will struggle to get up, socialism tells people that they aren't perfect and that competition is good but losing makes you no less valuable a person. It's the difference between competing to live and competing to survive.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    You misunderstand socialism and how it can be effectlvly applied then. In a socialist society people can still improve themselves but not in monetary terms. They instead seek to improve knowledge or sporting ability ect. You compete and you recognise that there probably are people with a better ability than you but the competition is friendly and losing doesn't cost you in a financial sense and you are not disadvantaged by it.

    Capitalism tells people at the bottom that they are at the bottom and will struggle to get up, socialism tells people that they aren't perfect and that competition is good but losing makes you no less valuable a person. It's the difference between competing to live and competing to survive.
    There is a difference between what on paper something will be and what in practice it is, on paper doesn't consider the entire picture, it forgets the human element which is ultimately selfish, especially the sort of people who are in the positions to be selfish.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    There is a difference between what on paper something will be and what in practice it is, on paper doesn't consider the entire picture, it forgets the human element which is ultimately selfish, especially the sort of people who are in the positions to be selfish.
    Human nature can be changed. Behaviour is an evolutionary trait. We evolve to have the behaviour that helps us the most and we learn how to behave from a young age. We behave in the way we do because society tells us to and because of the way our brains are wired. However behaviour is more to do with conditioning for nerotypical people. This means that within a few generations of socialism applied correctly people will see socialism as natural. The issue comes when people resist. Which is why a democratic socialist shift is better then a dictator inciting a revolution. Because then the people have chosen it and there will be less resistance.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Human nature can be changed. Behaviour is an evolutionary trait. We evolve to have the behaviour that helps us the most and we learn how to behave from a young age. We behave in the way we do because society tells us to and because of the way our brains are wired. However behaviour is more to do with conditioning for nerotypical people. This means that within a few generations of socialism applied correctly people will see socialism as natural. The issue comes when people resist. Which is why a democratic socialist shift is better then a dictator inciting a revolution. Because then the people have chosen it and there will be less resistance.
    1984.
 
 
 
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