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    (Original post by HAnwar)
    Yes, how dare a woman cover up and choose what she'd like to do with her own body.

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    Or not be able to choose
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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    Wear a long sleeve t shirt and jeans then. Then they'll be covered up and not wearing any sexualised clothing. Plus nobody makes a woman wear revealing clothing so get of your selfreighteous high horse.

    Plus it also isn't racist as Muslim is not a race.
    This ONLY targets Muslim women. Call it into Muslim if you want... Is this the new thing for the far right - it can't be racist because I'm not discriminating against a race but rather a religion

    And seemingly this mayor wouldn't allow you to cover up because in his view you must wear bikinis. Notice how no one cares if a man chooses to wear clothes instead of going topless?
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    (Original post by SeanFM)
    Or not be able to choose
    That's exactly what the French mayor wants - for women not to be able to choose
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    (Original post by The_Internet)
    So.... when a party comes in to power, and another party disagrees according to you instead of debating the issue, instead of protesting (which seems to be a favourite French pastime) they should leave the country instead?
    You misunderstand

    France has already had the discussions regarding 'faith' and how it wants to deal with it.

    What we see here is an example of the result of that discussion (and the lack of protest should indicate is has the majority support of the French)
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    (Original post by The_Internet)
    This ONLY targets Muslim women.
    Given it is an 'Islamic' dress code for women this is hardly surprising
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    (Original post by In Uranus)
    I think that's so disgusting and racist. Women are so sexualised in the west and if a woman chooses to cover up then we should let her, no-one should have to show their skin. In the west, we need to be more accepting of minorities so we can live together in harmony, and this can only happen if we allow others to be themselves.
    I did a big post about this on t'other page but I will just quickly summarise:

    By routinely covering up womens bodies more than men, you guarantee that women are sexualised. See a pec, it's probably just a warm day. See a breast, it's probably intimate or porn. But bodies are not inherently sexual.

    Women should not have to cover up their bodies to pander to the idea that we are sexualised and covering ourselves up will stop us getting raped or looking slutty. That's not the woman's problem. If you see a boob and find yourself dealing with a raging stiffy, that's your problem. You don't get to rape the women, you can't blame it on her.

    Nobody is denying your right to wear a wet suit or a beach cover up or whatever... You can still have the choice to be covered up or not. At the beach people do routinely so they don't get irritated by the water, sunburn or simply because they feel self conscious. That's fine. ... And honestly, it's sad that some girls and women can't even go for a swim without wearing specific religious clothing.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Given it is an 'Islamic' dress code for women this is hardly surprising
    Except non Muslims wear it too...What I'm getting at is that they don't exactly choose to target others for covering up. They don't target men at all. They target women. Personally I think the mayor is a bit of a perv.

    Why should people be denied whatever they wish to wear? And you can't even say "Oh you can't see her face" here when you clearly can
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    You misunderstand

    France has already had the discussions regarding 'faith' and how it wants to deal with it.

    What we see here is an example of the result of that discussion (and the lack of protest should indicate is has the majority support of the French)
    France as a society is becoming increasingly right wing. Does that make it right? A bit on the extreme side, and not at all comparable however most Germans were cool with Hitler making Jews wear a badge to show they're Jews. No one protested. Does that make it OK?

    These women may not be forced in to wearing a bikini, but you are essentially forcing them back in to their homes if you don't let them come out, because you don't want to see women dressed like that..
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    Syrian women burn Burkas after being liberated from ISIS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ity-of-manbij/

    So much for these women wearing them "out of choice"
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    (Original post by The_Internet)
    Except non Muslims wear it too...
    Make your mind up

    It's hard to counter an argument that is constantly shifted

    (Original post by The_Internet)
    This ONLY targets Muslim women.
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    (Original post by The_Internet)
    France as a society is becoming increasingly right wing. Does that make it right? A bit on the extreme side, and not at all comparable however most Germans were cool with Hitler making Jews wear a badge to show they're Jews. No one protested. Does that make it OK?

    These women may not be forced in to wearing a bikini, but you are essentially forcing them back in to their homes if you don't let them come out, because you don't want to see women dressed like that..
    No France is introducing new laws to ensure the new arrivals comply with what the French want their society to be like and continue.

    If the new arrivals don't like it you know the answer

    And funny you pick Germany as your example (albeit one that is 70 years out of date) when we have Muslim countries that right now have much more sever laws regarding how women are allowed to dress.

    But no as religion is s choice no one other than themselves are preventing them from doing anything (well mostly we know it will be the male member of the family)
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Make your mind up

    It's hard to counter an argument that is constantly shifted

    (Original post by The_Internet)
    This ONLY targets Muslim women.
    No... I'm saying it's a law designed to be anti Muslim. Equally one sect of Jews wear the burkha but the far right usually don't even know that at all
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    No France is introducing new laws to ensure the new arrivals comply with what the French want their society to be like and continue.

    If the new arrivals don't like it you know the answer

    And funny you pick Germany as your example (albeit one that is 70 years out of date) when we have Muslim countries that right now have much more sever laws regarding how women are allowed to dress.

    But no as religion is s choice no one other than themselves are preventing them from doing anything (well mostly we know it will be the male member of the family)
    Yes, many Muslim countries are worse. Some that ban the hijab too...not giving them a choice, and some that force women to wear a burka...

    Oh and these aren't "new arrivals" are they? The burkini is something that we didn't even see even 5 years ago. Muslims have been living in France long before that. What you're actually saying is "We don't want to see Muslim women"

    And again, with the Muslim countries today and indeed Germany, the same point stands
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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    Wear a long sleeve t shirt and jeans then. Then they'll be covered up and not wearing any sexualised clothing. Plus nobody makes a woman wear revealing clothing so get of your selfreighteous high horse.

    Plus it also isn't racist as Muslim is not a race.
    I'm still sexually harassed by men who don't know boundaries. It's not like I walk around is a crop top and mini skirt.

    Yeah, but muslims are mostly non-white.
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    (Original post by 1010marina)
    I did a big post about this on t'other page but I will just quickly summarise:

    By routinely covering up womens bodies more than men, you guarantee that women are sexualised. See a pec, it's probably just a warm day. See a breast, it's probably intimate or porn. But bodies are not inherently sexual.

    Women should not have to cover up their bodies to pander to the idea that we are sexualised and covering ourselves up will stop us getting raped or looking slutty. That's not the woman's problem. If you see a boob and find yourself dealing with a raging stiffy, that's your problem. You don't get to rape the women, you can't blame it on her.

    Nobody is denying your right to wear a wet suit or a beach cover up or whatever... You can still have the choice to be covered up or not. At the beach people do routinely so they don't get irritated by the water, sunburn or simply because they feel self conscious. That's fine. ... And honestly, it's sad that some girls and women can't even go for a swim without wearing specific religious clothing.
    I hear what you are saying but they shouldn't police clothing. A woman should be able to have a choice on whether she's like to wear a bikini or even a burkini.
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    I saw something in the tinms.I wonder if the people saying "Oh its secularism" or would they say actually these should be banned too. The article said

    "Other religious symbols, including Jewish skullcaps and crosses, will still be permitted"
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    (Original post by In Uranus)
    I'm still sexually harassed by men who don't know boundaries. It's not like I walk around is a crop top and mini skirt.

    Yeah, but muslims are mostly non-white.

    You shouldn't be harassed though. Those men should learn to control themselves - you shouldn't have to cover up to avoid it.
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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    You shouldn't be harassed though. Those men should learn to control themselves - you shouldn't have to cover up to avoid it.
    I agree!
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    (Original post by remiremi)

    Maybe this will give french Muslim families/husbands the hint to let their daughters/wives wear what they want in public.
    So your plan is to try to get Muslim families/husbands to let their wives/daughters wear what they want in public... by banning their wives/daughters from wearing what they want in public? Just lol at the stupiduty.
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    So your plan is to try to get Muslim families/husbands to let their wives/daughters wear what they want in public... by banning their wives/daughters from wearing what they want in public? Just lol at the stupiduty.
    lol at your idealized vision of women's "choice" in the Islamic world where Burkas are present.

    The overwhelming majority of Muslim women do not wear the Burka, it's a small minority that are forced into wearing them (just like they are forced into arranged marriages).

    Hence why those lovely ladies in Manjib tore apart and burned their Burkas when they were liberated from ISIS by the Kurds yesterday, even Muslims see it as an item of oppression.
 
 
 
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