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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    How can I prove to you that I am an atheist? Lmfao

    And you're confusing what I am saying about Sharia Law completely

    and please educate yourself on modern history
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_N...ill_race_riots

    Integration hasn't been 'smooth' for non-Muslims, as you described
    comparative to the current problems within islamic community, a handful of riots involving west indians over last 55 years - well ,there is no problem. Now yoiu may have something against black people, but by in large they havent been subjects of indoctrination, and then researched terrorists tactics and joined terrorist training camps abroad to then polt attacks on civilians in their home countires . Not unless they happend to be black people that converted to islam that is
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    (Original post by CherishFreedom)
    I am not saying that we should bully or tell people to believe a certain value whether they want it or not. But since you were wondering where the division lies, there it is.

    I have given you the statistics that:

    52% of Muslims are in favour of banning homosexuality.

    46% of terrorist-related arrests are on Muslims.

    I can't make you change your view clearly, but I'll just put the facts here so maybe you can subconsciously realise your obvious attempt to deflect from the problems that are right here in front of you.

    Just in case you want to apply your circular logic here because this seems to be the game you are playing, I have proposed a solution. The solutions are not based on hate, they are fair and demands fair distribution of resources to Muslim community and also explicitly stating that Muslims' rights must be respected and protected. But feel free to activate your defence mechanism and blindly accuse me of hating on Muslims and violating their rights.
    You realise that the 46% figure is less than 1000 arrests? I could say that 90% of 10 Muslims support xyz, but it means nothing. Yes, Muslims technically are the most terrorism-related arrests in the UK, but the figure is still immensely low, and an immensely massive number of Muslims have nothing to do with it whatsoever. Is it fair to persecute all of these millions of innocent people because less than 1000 were arrested on terror offences?

    And as I've said about 20 times so far, there is no problem unless they are willing to act on their beliefs.
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    (Original post by Reformed)
    comparative to the current problems within islamic community, a handful of riots involving west indians over last 55 years - well ,there is no problem. Now yoiu may have something against black people, but by in large they havent been subjects of indoctrination, and then researched terrorists tactics and joined terrorist training camps abroad to then polt attacks on civilians in their home countires . Not unless they happend to be black people that converted to islam that is
    This absurd emboldened extrapolation summarises why I won't be replying to your nonsense anymore, you clearly want to smear my words with racial hatred without even the hint of such a thing coming from me. Get lost.
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    (Original post by Harold Godwinson)
    And you need to pull your head from you're backside, if that's what you truly believe about Islam. They are just as much I threat as Nazi Germany was. The nazis were after world domination, Islam wants the same thing, a Muslim world.
    Do you seriously think that every single Muslim alive wants world domination? Lmfao
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    (Original post by CherishFreedom)
    I am not saying that we should bully or tell people to believe a certain value whether they want it or not. But since you were wondering where the division lies, there it is.

    I have given you the statistics that:

    52% of Muslims are in favour of banning homosexuality.

    46% of terrorist-related arrests are on Muslims.

    I can't make you change your view clearly, but I'll just put the facts here so maybe you can subconsciously realise your obvious attempt to deflect from the problems that are right here in front of you.

    Just in case you want to apply your circular logic here because this seems to be the game you are playing, I have proposed a solution. The solutions are not based on hate, they are fair and demands fair distribution of resources to Muslim community and also explicitly stating that Muslims' rights must be respected and protected. But feel free to activate your defence mechanism and blindly accuse me of hating on Muslims and violating their rights.
    I agree with what most of you said about the topic. And given I just replied to this misguided individual, I expect to get an earful of drivel and misguided opinion popping up in my inbox very soon.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    You realise that the 46% figure is less than 1000 arrests? I could say that 90% of 10 Muslims support xyz, but it means nothing. Yes, Muslims technically are the most terrorism-related arrests in the UK, but the figure is still immensely low, and an immensely massive number of Muslims have nothing to do with it whatsoever. Is it fair to persecute all of these millions of innocent people because less than 1000 were arrested on terror offences?

    And as I've said about 20 times so far, there is no problem unless they are willing to act on their beliefs.
    4.5% of the UK's population are Muslims, and 46% of all terrorism related arrests are on them. I gave you the proportion and you try to dismiss it by saying... 'oh that's just a small number'.

    Seriously I don't know if you actually want anything done on the terrorist crisis, or you just enjoy being in the way of any sensible debate or solution to the issue.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    There is a massive problem with Islamist extremists, but the problem is not the religion. Criticising the religion to death won't make it go away, you need to look at the source and see why someone would resort to extremist Islam, .


    hmm flawed logic here - ' there is a massive problem of islamist extremism .... but the problem is not the religion' . If there is a problem with far right extremism i the world - far right ideology is the root cause.

    (Original post by alevelstresss)



    The other problem is right here. You think that in a democratic world of freedom of religion, religions should obey what we think is the right way of life. Well guess what, we aren't the only type of society, other societies in which women have a lesser role and are oppressed exists and people like that type of society. Not to mention the fact that a vast number of Muslims live in the western world, fully incorporated with western and Muslim beliefs - it is a myth to say that they haven't integrated, especially when we have our own Muslim mayor lmfao. .
    seems an odd line of thought for an 'atheist' to take - but then an 'atheist ' that specialises in islamic doctrines is an odd enough occurance, even for tsr. i wonder how long this charade carries on for

    (Original post by alevelstresss)


    'Acknowledging' a cultural problem which arguably doesn't even exist is not a solution, the cultural problem is you failing to recognise that in our democratic society, we have the right to freedom of religion, regardless of what symbolically oppresses women or whatever.
    so no comment of the oppression of women within islam? yes very much like an 'atheist;
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    (Original post by CherishFreedom)
    4.5% of the UK's population are Muslims, and 46% of all terrorism related arrests are on them. I gave you the proportion and you try to dismiss it by saying... 'oh that's just a small number'.

    Seriously I don't know if you actually want anything done on the terrorist crisis, or you just enjoy being in the way of any sensible debate or solution to the issue.
    Just to put things into perspective, 436 Muslims were charged between 2001 and 2012 for terrorism offences.

    A minuscule amount, domestic rapists and murderers are a far more common threat lmao
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Boring old strawman extrapolations

    try again at reading what I said
    no, how about *you* read what *I* said again. how was what I said a strawman extrapolation when you literally implied that they weren't "western"? you implied that by saying that they were amongst "westerners" as if they weren't around their own kind.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    This absurd emboldened extrapolation summarises why I won't be replying to your nonsense anymore, you clearly want to smear my words with racial hatred without even the hint of such a thing coming from me. Get lost.
    well quoting your typed posts- ie your assertions that ''asians and africans' were somehow examples of not integrating by quoting notting hill riots where west indians were clashing with far right marchers

    in your defense of islamists , you seems to have got your racial stereotypes mixed up.

    i repeat, by any measure none of the ethnic groups you have mentioned have had significant problems integrating and certainly none have the involvement in terrorism etc that is found specifically within islamic communities. But that you have starkly been witnessed to fail to comment on; and you are happy to play the fool on this point - wonder why?
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    no, how about *you* read what *I* said again. how was what I said a strawman extrapolation when you literally implied that they weren't "western"? you implied that by saying that they were amongst "westerners" as if they weren't around their own kind.
    You have not experienced a proper Muslim community outside of western civilisation, so you are unqualified to make bigoted comments about how they all want to murder or imprison you for being bisexual
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Just to put things into perspective, 436 Muslims were charged between 2001 and 2012 for terrorism offences.

    A minuscule amount, domestic rapists and murderers are a far more common threat lmao
    436 Muslims charged on terrorism offences aren't enough for you?

    You do know that terrorism in its nature is far more collaterally damaging than most crimes right?

    Also the statistic does not include the ones who died during their crimes, including suicide bombers.

    You simply cannot be serious, by saying that this is a minuscule amount. Your deflection mentality is extremely alarming.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    You have not experienced a proper Muslim community outside of western civilisation, so you are unqualified to make bigoted comments about how they all want to murder or imprison you for being bisexual
    you just said "western" again! -_-
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    That is what happens when the libertarian left get too full of themselves. Typically people have a bad sentiment towards Is;am which is deserved even if mamy people with that sentiment don't know a great deal about the religion. The thing is, that sentiment usually manifests inocculously, in response to events and not as an obsession. The barbarian left don't get they suppression and oppression leads to obsession. Someone is pissed of at Islam or Muslims, they express that then get on with their lives. You go around telling people they can't do basic things, speak normally, express themselves normally, etc then they aren't going to drop it. They are going to run it in you're face everyday until you learn to shut up and to stop trying to control people.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Just to put things into perspective, 436 Muslims were charged between 2001 and 2012 for terrorism offences.

    A minuscule amount, domestic rapists and murderers are a far more common threat lmao
    its still, in percentage terms a disproportionality high involvement in terrorism for one faith group. its also common sense to expect that more 'accessible ' domestic crimes are more commonly practiced compared to terrrorism, i dont really why you dont grasp that simple concept. however in the specific case of underage grooming, muslims were again highly over-representated in those crimes also. though there is probably less linking to their doctrine in those cases, it can be seen the islamic community is by no means any more law abiding than any other group.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    you just said "western" again! -_-
    Gonna cry more?
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    (Original post by MrControversial)
    That is what happens when the libertarian left get too full of themselves. Typically people have a bad sentiment towards Is;am which is deserved even if mamy people with that sentiment don't know a great deal about the religion. The thing is, that sentiment usually manifests inocculously, in response to events and not as an obsession. The barbarian left don't get they suppression and oppression leads to obsession. Someone is pissed of at Islam or Muslims, they express that then get on with their lives. You go around telling people they can't do basic things, speak normally, express themselves normally, etc then they aren't going to drop it. They are going to run it in you're face everyday until you learn to shut up and to stop trying to control people.
    When religious hatred has the potential to radicalise these people, telling you to stop hating and start criticising is entirely warranted.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Gonna cry more?
    you're proving that you don't even remember what you yourself said... :| shocking. am I talking to somebody with special needs here or something? first you said "I never said western meant non-muslim" and now here you are! saying it as if it means non-muslim! you're proving that muslims can't integrate into the west
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Do you seriously think that every single Muslim alive wants world domination? Lmfao
    I've been reading through this asinine thread you started and I have to say you must be either quite frankly retarded or having some kind of a trolling session. Or maybe you're one of those far-left types that blatantly refuse to acknowledge what a group of people stand for when consistent incidents of why Muslims do not respect anyone else, cannot peacefully co exsist with non Muslims, actively try to cause terror, destruction and murder to a country and its people and commit twisted and unspeakable acts all around the world, without flinching from the vileness of the act. And I can guarantee you that Muslims support terrorist in the name of Islam because they have an agenda and that agenda IS world domination.

    Several over people have also tried to talk some sense to you on this thread, only for it to be in vain, I don't see why you can't read this comment and not still be misguided on the thread topic. And for that I apologise for all people affected by Islamist terrorism on the behalf of the liberal left, who refuse to act on the issue. I hope you all find solace in the fact that the left won't be in political power for long, if this is the way they act in the face of crisis.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    When religious hatred has the potential to radicalise these people, telling you to stop hating and start criticising is entirely warranted.
    what is the boundary between "hating" and "criticising"?
 
 
 
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