Why abortion should be illegal

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    (Original post by Nottie)
    Last time I checked only people born with uterus and vagina, commonly known as females/women can get pregnant. I don't care who you identify as, your sex determines if you can get pregnant or not. If men were the one to give births, I'd argue that you can't separate fetus from men and that its men decision to abort or not.
    Would you consider killing a child at 1 month after birth morally okay?
    Do you consider killing a child at 1 month after conception morally okay?

    If a man has no opinion, and majority of abortion technicians/doctors are male, would you suggest they quit or leave their opinion out of it?
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    (Original post by #ChaosKass)
    Abortion is completely immoral. Just think of the number of potential Einsteins, Churchills etc that have been murdered in the name of "right to choice".
    On the other hand, think of the potential Mao Zedongs, Stalins and Hitlers that were prevented by abortion
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    (Original post by da_nolo)
    Would you consider killing a child at 1 month after birth morally okay?
    Do you consider killing a child at 1 month after conception morally okay?

    If a man has no opinion, and majority of abortion technicians/doctors are male, would you suggest they quit or leave their opinion out of it?
    It doesn't matter what i think. If I ever get pregnant, I will think about it then.

    Doctors are different. I meant potential fathers have no legal say. I'm not saying I agree with that but that's how it is in this country.
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    (Original post by NUSTweb)
    It's better not to have any relation than abortion..........
    why don't you see yourself at the place of the innocent kid who will die????isn't it killing??does he got no soul??
    Even as one who concedes that souls may exist, no, I don't think an early term foetus has one. An early term foetus is a ball of cells with no central nervous system and hence no capacity for thought and no ability to experience anything.
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    If abortion is made illegal, and the woman has to go through with an unwanted pregnancy for whatever reason, then the ability for a man to leave the woman and the pregnancy should also be made illegal, and they should be made to stay and support the child that possesses half of their DNA.
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    (Original post by emi.hopkins)
    If abortion is made illegal, and the woman has to go through with an unwanted pregnancy for whatever reason, then the ability for a man to leave the woman and the pregnancy should also be made illegal, and they should be made to stay and support the child that possesses half of their DNA.
    Well a man already has to support their child now even if they don't want it, it's only women who get a choice


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    (Original post by da_nolo)
    to science, that child is life.
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    Can you guarantee that for yourself? By what merrit do you qualify "quality life?"
    Yes I do.
    Do you want the list alphabetical,numerical or a shuffle?
    Are you saying they are dead?
    I'm saying at the aforementioned stage there is no life, do learnto read.
    And plenty more have not. And plenty of help for those who do. Would you justify killing a 2 month child if a mother was "depressed?"
    Nope, why do you?


    Ha! actually abortion does not remove result, a woman is still raped and still has to deal with mental hardships besides what physical trauma there is.

    http://clinicquotes.com/woman-pressu...ions-husbands/

    Do not forget, that if rape was incest, a girl might not be able to verbalize how she became pregnant.
    I said the physical result, not the act itself. You're a very fainéant person with your replies aren't you?

    If you're trying to make a point dokindly make it instead of spouting random scenarios with no actual point attached...
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    (Original post by Napp)
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    https://www.britannica.com/topic/life
    The pre-born partake in all aspects of above account as to what life is; defined by science.

    If you think any cell of a child within a womb is not "life" or alive then what is it? Please share.

    Yes I do.
    You guarantee yourself quality of life? How may you do that after sustaining a severe concussion due to a car crash or some other freak accident?

    To what disease or cancer do you think you may be free of or never obtain?

    Do you believe you will have a good job through out your life and there will be no struggles from whence you came to now, or to the future? I did not know you may foresee the future.


    Do you want the list alphabetical,numerical or a shuffle?
    I doubt you are any scientist involved with life sciences or biology. But please, numerical would do just fine.

    I'm saying at the aforementioned stage there is no life, do learn to read.
    Learn definitions. If something is not living, it is dead. if you wish to imply importance or some qualitative standard - do please list what ever you may think living is not living when without some characteristics.

    Nope, why do you?
    I haven't. But there is no difference in terms of who is a human or who is a person between months prior to birth to those after birth. If one does not support a killing after birth why support a killing prior to birth?

    I said the physical result, not the act itself.
    Again, the physical result of rape is not gotten rid of by abortion.

    If you're trying to make a point dokindly make it instead of spouting random scenarios with no actual point attached...
    I stated no scenario I stated what has happened.
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    (Original post by Nottie)
    It doesn't matter what i think. If I ever get pregnant, I will think about it then.

    Doctors are different. I meant fathers have no legal say. I'm not saying I agree with that but that's how it is in this country.
    No potential to what is supported by scientific evidence. A parent is a parent at any stage of their child's life. Otherwise, you did not state nor hinted towards the male parent's legal situation. you claimed "no man" to have an opinion in this situation.

    some how what you think doesn't matter, but you have posted what you think through out this thread. Hm...enough of a thought no?
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    (Original post by xSailorMoonQueen)
    In my opinion it should only be legal if the woman was raped or if her life is at danger.
    that is only 0.4% of total cases, if you watch the video??
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    (Original post by emi.hopkins)
    If abortion is made illegal, and the woman has to go through with an unwanted pregnancy for whatever reason, then the ability for a man to leave the woman and the pregnancy should also be made illegal, and they should be made to stay and support the child that possesses half of their DNA.
    I am okay with this. Good luck enforcing it though>!?
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    (Original post by da_nolo)
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/life
    The pre-born partake in all aspects of above account as to what life is; defined by science.

    If you think any cell of a child within a womb is not "life" or alive then what is it? Please share.
    Sigh. Let me restate for you,as you seen incapable of grasping this basic concept in any form but the most obtuse and litteral.
    We are talking about sentient life. Not anything that meets the obscenely broad definition you just spouted. Unless of course you do take the whole 'any and all life is sacred' view which by your definition includes bacteria and skin cells etc. which de facto makes you a genocidal monster in that regard.

    You guarantee yourself quality of life? How may you do that after sustaining a severe concussion due to a car crash or some other freak accident?
    I'm not sure you understand what quality of life means seeing as a concussion is unlikely to decrease or substantially impact it in any long term scenario. If I lost all of my limbs, that would impact it for example.
    To what disease or cancer do you think you may be free of or never obtain?
    Do you seriously expect me to dignify that ridiculous question?

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    Do you believe you will have a good job through out your life and there will be no struggles from whence you came to now, or to the future? I did not know you may foresee the future.[/quote
    Sure why not.

    I doubt you are any scientist involved with life sciences or biology. But please, numerical would do just fine.
    Indeed I am not, so what?
    Where would you like the cut off then?
    Learn definitions. If something is not living, it is dead. if you wish to imply importance or some qualitative standard - do please list what ever you may think living is not living when without some characteristics.
    See above.
    I haven't. But there is no difference in terms of who is a human or who is a person between months prior to birth to those after birth. If one does not support a killing after birth why support a killing prior to birth?
    Almost every scientist and person who is not a bible basher would beg to differ.
    Again, the physical result of rape is not gotten rid of by abortion.

    I stated no scenario I stated what has happened.
    Lets see, one pysical result of it could be a nipper, abortions removes said result.
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    (Original post by da_nolo)
    No potential to what is supported by scientific evidence. A parent is a parent at any stage of their child's life. Otherwise, you did not state nor hinted towards the male parent's legal situation. you claimed "no man" to have an opinion in this situation.

    some how what you think doesn't matter, but you have posted what you think through out this thread. Hm...enough of a thought no?
    The fact that fathers don't have any legal say is not my thought but an actual fact. I never said I supported it and was quite surprised when I found out. But when you go to the doctor to have an abortion, he/she won't listen to the father
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    (Original post by Nottie)
    The fact that fathers don't have any legal say is not my thought but an actual fact. I never said I supported it and was quite surprised when I found out. But when you go to the doctor to have an abortion, he/she won't listen to the father
    A doctor may not listen, but the wife would. Many women have been forced into abortions this way - one confessed this over the radio just a week ago. She felt horrible. yet I doubt laws are adequate for this.
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    (Original post by Napp)
    Sigh. Let me restate for you,as you seen incapable of grasping this basic concept in any form but the most obtuse and litteral.
    We are talking about sentient life. Not anything that meets the obscenely broad definition you just spouted. Unless of course you do take the whole 'any and all life is sacred' view which by your definition includes bacteria and skin cells etc. which de facto makes you a genocidal monster in that regard.
    That is the scientific definition of life. Proves your earlier statements as incorrect.

    Since you wish to change what you mean by the term "life" (which is all you wished to state) then what is the difference between an infant and fetus?

    Why is it important for people to have or be considered sentient life (or to have a conscious) in order to be of worth or human?

    This is what you are stating yes?

    See above.
    ah...a life form pertaining consciousness is just alive as a life form that does not pertain consciousness. to say an organism is not alive or does not pertain life does not indicate an organism does not pertain consciousness.


    I'm not sure you understand what quality of life means seeing as a concussion is unlikely to decrease or substantially impact it in any long term scenario. If I lost all of my limbs, that would impact it for example.
    The study is on going but here is some tid bits.

    A person can receive long term affects from multiple or even a single concussion; which may not be identified until it has happened.

    Do you seriously expect me to dignify that ridiculous question?
    Why not? if you think there is a quality of life in which a person must have in order to be considered human or pertain worth then you define what that quality of life is. you arrogantly stated you could maintain a good quality of life for your entire life - my question examines what you think makes life of good quality.

    so please do answer.

    Indeed I am not, so what?
    Where would you like the cut off then?
    Ah, no answer. as I suspected.

    Almost every scientist and person who is not a bible basher would beg to differ.
    yet the arguements against abortion are based on philosophy and science
    http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html
    http://www.prolifehumanists.org/
    confessions-of-a-pro-life-atheist-why-i-fight-abortion/

    Lets see, one pysical result of it could be a nipper (child), abortions removes said result.
    Yes a result may be a child - in which abortion would kill. However, even abortion does not diminish that the woman was pregnant. She would still say, "I was raped and became pregnant." Abortion does not change she became pregnant - it only reduces the time frame at a price of innocent life.
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    (Original post by john2054)
    I am okay with this. Good luck enforcing it though>!?
    I shouldn't have to be enforced as long as abortion is legal
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Well a man already has to support their child now even if they don't want it, it's only women who get a choice


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    If you call giving them money 'support' then you've got the wrong idea. I'm on about sleepless nights, changing nappies, giving up schooling, uni, or a job for a while to take care of a child that you didn't intend on having. A guy can pay in some money and not have to bring the child up, the women rarely get that choice.
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    It would be dangerous to make abortions illegal. If abortion was made illegal it wouldn't stop woman having abortions, abortions would be carried out in very dangerous ways
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    I think a woman should have the right to choose, up until a certain time when it is dangerous or something.
    I also think there should be a lot of support when making that decision. Earlier it was mentioned the father of the child manipulating the mother to get an abortion. While it should be a joint decision if possible (though I'd say the mothers choice overrides), this obviously shouldn't happen.
    If you don't agree with abortion fine by me, but you shouldn't expect laws to stop people doing something to their own bodies that you disagree with.
    "Hey you can't have that, there's a new law against tattoos because I don't like them"
    (obviously a completely different example, it's all I could think of OK?!)
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    (Original post by bethprobably)
    I think a woman should have the right to choose, up until a certain time when it is dangerous or something.
    I also think there should be a lot of support when making that decision. Earlier it was mentioned the father of the child manipulating the mother to get an abortion. While it should be a joint decision if possible (though I'd say the mothers choice overrides), this obviously shouldn't happen.
    If you don't agree with abortion fine by me, but you shouldn't expect laws to stop people doing something to their own bodies that you disagree with.
    "Hey you can't have that, there's a new law against tattoos because I don't like them"
    (obviously a completely different example, it's all I could think of OK?!)
    1. anti-abortion is not based on what a person likes or dislikes, that drives the cause

    2. no person has 100% control over their own body in life nor by law. You can but the law and doctors are against self mutilation. Yet, there are a number of individuals who have asked doctors to cut off limbs or become cripple. sad truth.

    At young ages, you can not get a tattoo and no one can give it to you. Some medical practices are illegal while some paints/chemicals are illegal for various reasons. All laws passed by someone because they disagreed with something

    3. Abortion includes two persons of unique genetics/DNA. clearly not just about mother's body. this is part of the issues that anti-abortion individuals have qualm with.
 
 
 
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