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    (Original post by LillyB14)
    Literally the most idiotic idea i've ever heard of. You're clearly out of touch from reality.
    You're the third person who took him seriously.
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    (Original post by LillyB14)
    Unlike 30 years ago, degrees are required for a lot of jobs, not just for specialist or top positions in society. Do you think there would be enough space for every teacher, for every school (primary, secondary etc) to get a degree? Or should we just have the privately educated sector have teachers with degrees? Better yet, lets scrap education from ages 13+ from those not pre-determined by their social class to have a shot at the top 5.
    You're literally going back in time where there were few universities in which only the top elite could attend and most working class people were in service and social mobility was rare.
    Literally the most idiotic idea i've ever heard of. You're clearly out of touch from reality.


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    If you read the thread, then you could see I wasnt being serious and was taking the peas out of the op's idea......
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    If you read the thread, then you could see I wasnt being serious and was taking the peas out of the op's idea......
    people have crappy attention spans and don't want to read.

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    Someone posted here that Anglia Ruskin made the top 500 universities in the world?

    I checked they don't according to the source I use would be curious on their source.
    http://www.topuniversities.com/unive...-rankings/2016

    we Have 71 Universities in the top 1000. I know we have some Universities that do not make the top 1000 but are excellent for a specific subject. Maybe Just keep the 71 universities which make the top 1000, and then find the odd few that specialize on one subject and try improve those so they can make the top 1000 and turn the rest back into polytechnics.

    If a university cannot make the top 1000 universities in the world and does not have a redeeming feature such as been brilliant for a specific subject then they should lose the label.

    The UK higher education has a very strong world wide reputation. Apart from the United States is there anyone that beats us for getting universities in the top 1000?

    why not get rid of the universities that don't make the grade make an exception for universities such as Bournemouth who don't make the grade but are exceptional in one or two subjects then focus on improving these ones so that we can get them into the world 1000 rankings.

    foreign students bring a lot of money into our economy because of our world wide reputation, why ruin that with the likes of Anglia Ruskin?
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    Money?
    12 years in a private English school, and exams weren't free for me.
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    There are so many flaws with this idea. For starters so so many jobs nowadays require a degree of some description, and as such axing almost all universities would require an entire overhaul of what is expected for a specific job, and in many cases leave so many jobs understaffed due to lack of well educated applicants.

    Second, and in my opinion most important is that the actual ease of getting a degree isn't a problem, because it's been counter balanced by the fact that many of these degrees won't get you jobs anymore, just look at a universities post grad employment rate, the best ones are higher, so why get rid of the others when clearly they're still helping to provide workers in certain areas, it doesn't hurt anyone?

    You also are unfortunately like so many these days who have forgotten the real importance of uni that isn't just about earning a degree, but rather learning independence and becoming prepared for the real world and being able to stand on your own two feet. Something which ironically the top universities are the worst at, as they still spoon feed their students by not permitting them to have jobs, or providing food. I'd take my university choice over Cambridge or oxford any day because I am employable and I actually have life skills, and have never moved back in with my parents since leaving uni. Independence was far more important than my degree which was still nice to get.
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    Kill the weak for the betterment of the strong. It is nature's way.
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    Not everyone is an A or an A* student. My sister works hard but is a solid B kind of kid. It doesn't mean that she or others don't try hard enough. Sometimes life can just get in the way of things.

    My cousin turned down a place at a "top 5" university simply because she didn't like the atmosphere there, though she was highly capable and instead opted for a "weaker" medical school.There will always be the case of X school is better than Y but at the end of the day different things are important to different people. And there in lies the point. We're all different! Just pick somewhere where you think you could actually be happy for the next three years, regardless of reputation. But I know it's not always so easy and in some places you do get brownie points if you have the coveted oxbridge degree.

    Even at the lesser university at the end of the day you will still have work to complete. Exams to sit. Deadlines to meet. Everything teaches you something.You'll change and grow.

    I know of one person who went like this:

    Bsc middlesex Masters Imperial

    Apples and oranges.
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    (Original post by DraculaMihawk)
    I have never understood why suddenly it's everyone's God given right to go to university, I don't believe it is. I believe if you reach a certain standard of academic excellence, then you get to go to university, so a university degree is still something we aspire to. Nowadays we just hand out degrees like leaflets in the streets. They've lost their value.

    Just recently the top UK universities dropped down in ranking on the global top 100. To solve this we could get rid of all the universities outside of the top 50 and invest that money into our top 50 universities. Boosting the standards of those said universities.

    Anglia Ruskin, London Met and the likes are appalling institutions and are basically conning their students off £9000 a year. When videos like these are made by students:



    You know there is an issue.

    I say we should cull a huge tranche of the universities at the bottom, that are not meeting the standards and invest the money from that into our top 50 universities. Some of these universities are better off being vocational technical colleges and should be free or have lower tuition fees.
    What about the newer universitys that are improving having only got sates a few years ago should they not get a grace period before they loose any funding.
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    There is a university ombudsman, they receive very few complaints. Prehaps if the students in the video used the service available the universities would improve?
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    (Original post by r4dly)
    There is a university ombudsman, they receive very few complaints. Prehaps if the students in the video used the service available the universities would improve?
    The Ombudsman can only intervene after a student has been through a university's own complaints processes. Moreover the complaints process is geared up to more serious complaints than are generally reflected in satisfaction questionnaires.

    That is why most industries use satisfaction questionnaires to monitor performance as well as offering a customer complaints service.

    The basic problem with the National Student Survey, which is rarely reflected in TSR which is obsessed with the minuscule level of fraud in the production of the survey, is that it is a survivors' survey.

    It is conducted in the final year of a degree course. No-one asks those who drop out before the final year what they think of a course or a university.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    The Ombudsman can only intervene after a student has been through a university's own complaints processes. Moreover the complaints process is geared up to more serious complaints than are generally reflected in satisfaction questionnaires.

    That is why most industries use satisfaction questionnaires to monitor performance as well as offering a customer complaints service.

    The basic problem with the National Student Survey, which is rarely reflected in TSR which is obsessed with the minuscule level of fraud in the production of the survey, is that it is a survivors' survey.

    It is conducted in the final year of a degree course. No-one asks those who drop out before the final year what they think of a course or a university.
    The Ombudsman can investigate:
    • Academic appeals
    • Extenuating circumstances
    • Teaching and facilities
    • Student accommodation
    • Research supervision
    • Welfare
    • Discrimination - race, sex, disability, age, sexual orientation or religious belief
    • Bullying and harassment
    • Placements
    • Maladministration
    • Procedural irregularities
    • Unfair practices
    • Disciplinary matters, including plagiarism
    • Fitness to practise processes
    So it is geared up to deal with a multitude of issues, of course the student has to go through the Uni complaints process first, if you watch the video posted the students are complaing about all of these issues. So why not use it? One of the students is even complaining about assault! Just call the police, no brainer! If no-one even attempts to hold people to account then obviously there will be no improvement. I filled out the satisfaction suvey and I certainly wouldnt wait for it if I had a problem such as these students are describing.
 
 
 
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