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(Original post by Betelgeuse-)
Chillax sister, Allah works in mysterious ways and its not for you to judge. Only Allan may judge
salaam, thats what I meant by my post
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I picked a great time going to America next year. WOOOOO IM GONA RIDE ALL THEM COASTERS AND SNAPCHAT THEM TO EVERY MUSLIM NATION

Gona be wel jel
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The thing is there will still be homegrown terrorism. I doubt it'll happen but if it does it'll be based on racial profiling.
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(Original post by dididid)
well i wanted to spend a year of uni abroad in america . guess thats not happening now
Lying/fabricating would always be an option, and not an expensive or complex one.

(Original post by biglad2k16)
Very good idea. Fewer terrorists
So religious affiliation is a catch-all way to identify terrorists? Are you being ironic?
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Not so much purity but the scale of change.

Now think of the Muslim. You think of the above but you also have a mosque been built in your town, you have women in the black things who may not even go to work and spit out many babies who are not English, you have communities which do not feel English at all and are somewhat segregated (indeed a German town is actually building a literal wall).

This on a national scale is what the election was about in many ways (plus the economic issues). White Americans were asked whether they wanted to keep their national identity or continue to see their country change. They said hell no.
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That is exactly it. Muslims are a much smaller proportion of the population in the US than the UK (let alone France) and they are on the whole better educated and integrate with greater ease (to the extent practising Muslims ever can in the West).

Trump voting Americans have looked at the failure to integrate problems we are having, and especially the attacks in France, and said "Do we need that?"

Hell no. It is going to be very hard for Muslims to go live in the US during the Trump Presidency. And don't expect many Syrian "refugees" to end up there either. If any. Germany can have them to increase Merkel's popularity with her own people. Not.

There will be Muslim visitors though. Too hard to stop that. Although I am sure the Trump voters would love to prevent any Muslims at all entering the Land of the Free.

They probably would like those now living there deported, to boot.
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(Original post by Betelgeuse-)
I picked a great time going to America next year. WOOOOO IM GONA RIDE ALL THEM COASTERS AND SNAPCHAT THEM TO EVERY MUSLIM NATION

Gona be wel jel
lol I doubt they'd care
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:lolwut:

I'm no fan of Saudi immigration policy (or Saudi itself), but this is false.
Every single person living in Saudi Arabia, immigrants included, is by law a Muslim. Maybe there are some who 'hide' their true beliefs, but the government considers every citizen a Muslim.
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lol I doubt they'd care
I am going to snapchat you my trip u will be jel
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(Original post by Betelgeuse-)
I am going to snapchat you my trip u will be jel
looool please, I've never had any interest of ever going to america. Theres not much to see there, I'd rather travel to other countries
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No because our religion says so, However, does ur bibel forbidden Muslims from entering the us ? No it don't that's right
No but our Trump says so
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Every single person living in Saudi Arabia, immigrants included, is by law a Muslim. Maybe there are some who 'hide' their true beliefs, but the government considers every citizen a Muslim.
Lol not true. :rofl:
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saudi arabia is a ridiculous country, their laws make me laugh. This is coming from a muslim
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looool please, I've never had any interest of ever going to america. Theres not much to see there, I'd rather travel to other countries
No you wouldnt! You idolise America

My postcard will say. "You wish you were here"
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No you wouldnt! You idolise America

My postcard will say. "You wish you were here"
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

looool idolise america as well

Whats there to see there tho?

Theres so many countries out there with much more to see like egypt, japan, korea, india and saudi arabia
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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

looool idolise america as well

Whats there to see there tho?

Theres so many countries out there with much more to see like egypt, japan, korea, india and saudi arabia
So much! Its the capital of planet earth. Them countries are scrub countries compared to USA
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how is your distinction between country and place of worship not arbitrary here? why shouldn't non-muslims be allowed into mecca? why can't they observe the proceedings? are you simply saying that the measure of intolerance is purely geographical? yeah, so that's arbitrary, seeing as the bounds of geographies are totally subjective to size. it's not grounded in principle.

and to answer the OP - although I'm not a muslim, I'll throw my two cents in - if islam is a movement that facilitates homophobia, misogyny (genuine misogyny and even rape culture), anti-semitism etc, then I don't see a muslim ban as a bad thing - it's not like it's a race ban, which obviously would be deplorable. there's nothing wrong with negating the less civilised sections of the world from entering a nation. most religions are terrible, but islam is simply more than just terrible.
Please, if you've read the Bible then you will see that Christianity facilitates most of these things as well. But it is not seen as bad as 1) Christianity is now largely western and Islam is not 2) the bible is usually interpreted from a more modern perspective. But you would find that christians are just as homophobic as muslims, and the bible has many sexist and/or homophobic passages.

And saying it's not to do with race is silly because religion and race are clearly highly interconnected. There are ~2 billion muslims in the world. It is a tiny minority of muslims who are Islamic fundamentalists and it ridiculous that the whole Muslim population would be banned because of them. No one thinks all Christians are KKK members or Nazis despite those groups being largely christian.

Try and justify it all you want but it is major discrimination and absolutely ridiculous.
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Every single person living in Saudi Arabia, immigrants included, is by law a Muslim. Maybe there are some who 'hide' their true beliefs, but the government considers every citizen a Muslim.
You're right on the latter point (in bold) but you don't seem to see the distinction between citizens and non-citizen residents/immigrants. The latter are not legally considered Muslims unless they are in fact Muslims/born to Muslim fathers. (I should know, having lived there as a non-Muslim.)
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(Original post by Betelgeuse-)
So much! Its the capital of planet earth. Them countries are scrub countries compared to USA
The USA is boring lol
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Please, if you've read the Bible then you will see that Christianity facilitates most of these things as well.
oh right, I didn't express the fact that christians in the west are secularised.
after the enlightenment, christianity became basically irreligious. it basically turned into a vague and loose set of moralities based more so on SECULAR ethics - moral philosophies and modern western principles became what the enlightened west/europe saw as legitimate, and then they tried to weave christianity into that base of morality however they could. that's why you get christians only referring to *certain teachings* of jesus, let alone the whole bible. it's not even a religion any more - christianity today is just a weak and hardly serious idea where people don't even believe in the mythological aspects of it any more, and if they believe in them at all, they believe in them with immense qualifications, i.e. "I believe jesus existed but I don't believe in the virgin birth", "I believe in god but I don't think he's like he was in the old testament", "I believe in christianity, but I don't believe in miracles", "I believe in god but I also believe in the big bang and evolution, and not the genesis story or the creation myth". you see?

islam, on the other hand, never had that enlightenment where religion and secular ethics were separated; instead of muslims holding secular principles and then trying (if possible) to integrate them into a loose and vague set of religious teachings, muslims believe in their very firm and strong religious teachings (from islam) and THEN try to integrate secular western philosophies into them. that's the difference - for christians, their religion doesn't justify their morals - morality from secular philosophy is their morality, and then religion fills in the wider meanings, whereas muslims, coming from a part of the world without that moral revolution, still have fundamentalist beliefs, i.e. homosexuality is wrong, women are second class, blaphemy or apostacy should be punished, etc.

there's a HUGE world of difference between christianity and islam - not that I am referring to the religions, not their holy books - christians basically don't even understand or read the bible, hence why they're still weakly christian when they are (and hardly anybody who is actually christian who believe in it if they had read the bible fully - because that causes anti-christianity via the horrific teachings within the old testament) but muslims know the qur'an usually extremely well. that's the difference. christians aren't religious and they don't go to church, whereas muslims are usually so firmly religious, even in the west, that they still make their women wear hijabs, they still don't eat pork, they have to pray multiple times a day, etc. there is absolutely no significant comparison between christians and muslims, therefore. muslims actually take their religion seriously. christians do not.

But it is not seen as bad as 1) Christianity is now largely western and Islam is not 2) the bible is usually interpreted from a more modern perspective. But you would find that christians are just as homophobic as muslims, and the bible has many sexist and/or homophobic passages.
no they're not. there are gay bishops that are widely tolerated. if you had a gay shiek (or whatever you call islam's version of holy teachers/priests) he would be ****ing *destroyed*. there are a large amount of openly gay christians here, but imagine if you had openly gay muslim priests - they wouldn't last ****ing five minutes within their muslim environment.

And saying it's not to do with race is silly because religion and race are clearly highly interconnected.
please: don't you dare go down that regressive path of making racial stereotypes/generalisations. muslims are whatever race they happen to be, and anybody can be a muslim. please don't confine an ENTIRE race into a religious pidgeon hole. that is so stupid I can't even begin to hit on the kind of arrogant patronisation there...it also generalises non-muslims and non-south asian/north african as well. so really - this sounds like racial profiling. that is just socially rotted in my mind - you sound like a racialist, and yes, "racialist", not racist.

There are ~2 billion muslims in the world. It is a tiny minority of muslims who are Islamic fundamentalists
no it's not - most muslims in the middle east are *very usually* fundamentalists:



and it ridiculous that the whole Muslim population would be banned because of them. No one thinks all Christians are KKK members or Nazis despite those groups being largely christian.
the KKK isn't even in the bible or christian religion though - that's a terrible comparison! you're conflating "christians" with christian adherence! muslim radicals *are* adherents!

Try and justify it all you want but it is major discrimination and absolutely ridiculous.
naaaah, if this is discrimination still then I don't care - if I discriminate against a nazi or a kymer rouge member is that unfair? so how is this unfair?
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I'm replying to you here coz my thread seems to have been deleted.
Anyway, it was amazing that even an ignorant individual with a pea-sized brain such as yourself couldn't find the irony in your last statement, where you claimed I was spreading hate propaganda, but then immediately turned around to call Indians the most backward, hate-spewing creatures on the planet.
LOOOOL you were so triggered you had to reply to me elsewhere hahahahaha

And yes, indians are very intolerant, as you have demonstrated here. Get lost now, go back to your country where such backward thinking is tolerated.
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