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    (Original post by Skip_Snip)
    This is true, but he wouldn't play the Doctor in the same way he played Malcom Tucker or Sid's Dad I'd imagine he'd probably try to emulate one of the Doctors he grew up with, Troughton or Pertwee I guess, or he might bring a whole new dimension to it which even the Grand Moff hasn't foreseen
    I think that Peter Capaldi is more than capable of having different elements of some of the most favourite Doctors when the situations arise but also putting his own slant on it. I hope he plays the Doctor a bit like Ecclestone, dark and moody but also very witty at times and I think a lot of people underestimate how capable Capaldi is of doing this.


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    (Original post by Skip_Snip)
    This is true, but he wouldn't play the Doctor in the same way he played Malcom Tucker or Sid's Dad I'd imagine he'd probably try to emulate one of the Doctors he grew up with, Troughton or Pertwee I guess, or he might bring a whole new dimension to it which even the Grand Moff hasn't foreseen
    I knows, he does have a good body of work which shows his diversity but I would have thought Moffat was going in having a good idea of what he wanted. Remember in the reveal show he said he made a video/trailer using their work to show what he would be like as a Doctor so it's not impossible to believe there are elements of previous characters in there somewhere (Yay speculation :awesome:)

    But now I want him to go around palying a flute in a cape :innocent:
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    (Original post by St. Brynjar)
    Eccleston was my favourite so far and Capaldi strikes me as an actor in a similar vein. A doctor who is deeply principled, instantly commands the respect of everyone in the room and full of wit and sarcasm.
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    I agree with a lot of what you wrote, and I think I said something similar a few pages back. I'm really looking forward to seeing someone a bit more serious and dramatic, someone who you really get the impression of the hundreds of years of experience they've lived. I feel like Matt Smith wasn't really given a chance to shine. Most of the time the 11th doctor was just silly and increasingly flirty when Clara came along. Which is a shame because in some episodes Matt actually does show that serious angry Doctor well, but Moffat seems determined to make it more of a kids show.

    Hopefully with Capaldi we'll see a change of direction and tone, the fact they've cast him rather than someone younger shows they're not afraid to change things to make the show better. But part of me wishes Moffat would step down, the writing of many recent episodes was quite poor (silly storylines, quick resolutions, annoying dialogue) and its become a lot more childish in a way but also overly complicated. Which is weird because Moffat wrote some of the best episodes under RTD, but his series story arcs aren't as good. But he's said he's staying put for the moment, so I'm hoping the 12th doctor will be enough to bring something fresh to the show and produce better stories.
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    (Original post by Hopple)
    Doppelgangers? It's a possibility so it might help you
    Still not great! BBC should just branch out a bit :yep: mind you as I'm doing some filming for them next week I'm hopeful that they'll spot me and go "she looks like a great companion, and while we're at it, she should be head writer too..."
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    (Original post by greeneyedgirl)
    Still not great! BBC should just branch out a bit :yep: mind you as I'm doing some filming for them next week I'm hopeful that they'll spot me and go "she looks like a great companion, and while we're at it, she should be head writer too..."
    What is that creature in your sigpic? It looks a lot like my chinchilla, but more rabbitie
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    (Original post by Skip_Snip)
    What is that creature in your sigpic? It looks a lot like my chinchilla, but more rabbitie
    It is a rabbit I think!
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    Just keeping up with the DW shown on BBC3 right now, it's interesting how in 'A Town Called Mercy' a character says to the Doctor whose ready to shoot him, 'You wouldn't!' to which he responds something along the lines of 'I really don't know'. I can only presume this is a call back to 'The Doctor's Daughter' where he proclaims he is the man 'who never would', in other words three cheers for a Doctor getting progressively darker and loosing his previously held ideals

    /Random Who thought of the day.
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    ^ I hated that self-righteous speech from Doctor's Daughter
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    (Original post by Skip_Snip)
    ^ I hated that self-righteous speech from Doctor's Daughter
    It's certainly not one of my favourite episodes, far too cheesy for me. I wonder if they all had to wear braclets saying 'WWTDD?' after The bloke does have a weird messianic complex to him.
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    (Original post by IMakeSenseToNone)
    It's certainly not one of my favourite episodes, far too cheesy for me. I wonder if they all had to wear braclets saying 'WWTDD?' after The bloke does have a weird messianic complex to him.
    Well, mainly under RTD. One of the things I don't miss about his tenure.
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    (Original post by Skip_Snip)
    Well, mainly under RTD. One of the things I don't miss about his tenure.


    :rolleyes: I burst out laughing when I saw that, only thing missing from that scene was the Superman theme tune.
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    :rolleyes: I burst out laughing when I saw that, only thing missing from that scene was the Superman theme tune.
    I loved that scene :awesome:
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    (Original post by montstar)
    I agree with a lot of what you wrote, and I think I said something similar a few pages back. I'm really looking forward to seeing someone a bit more serious and dramatic, someone who you really get the impression of the hundreds of years of experience they've lived. I feel like Matt Smith wasn't really given a chance to shine. Most of the time the 11th doctor was just silly and increasingly flirty when Clara came along. Which is a shame because in some episodes Matt actually does show that serious angry Doctor well, but Moffat seems determined to make it more of a kids show.

    Hopefully with Capaldi we'll see a change of direction and tone, the fact they've cast him rather than someone younger shows they're not afraid to change things to make the show better. But part of me wishes Moffat would step down, the writing of many recent episodes was quite poor (silly storylines, quick resolutions, annoying dialogue) and its become a lot more childish in a way but also overly complicated. Which is weird because Moffat wrote some of the best episodes under RTD, but his series story arcs aren't as good. But he's said he's staying put for the moment, so I'm hoping the 12th doctor will be enough to bring something fresh to the show and produce better stories.
    I've never been convinced by the claims that Moffatt has turned it into a kids show. Almost a quarter of season 1 (3/13 episodes) were about ****ing farting monsters, and in series 4 we had an episode with stupid cute little babies made of fat. RTD was the man who pandered to the family audience, not the Moff.
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    (Original post by Jarred)
    I've never been convinced by the claims that Moffatt has turned it into a kids show. Almost a quarter of season 1 (3/13 episodes) were about ****ing farting monsters, and in series 4 we had an episode with stupid cute little babies made of fat. RTD was the man who pandered to the family audience, not the Moff.
    Moffat has consistently made it more catered to children - debatable whether he made it a kids show - whereas RTD had a few childish episodes, but the majority of his episodes were not

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    (Original post by shadowdweller)
    Moffat has consistently made it more catered to children - debatable whether he made it a kids show - whereas RTD had a few childish episodes.

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    In what way? Moffat cut out most of the camp RTD childish rubbish. Yeah there's a jollier Doctor these days (and he's brilliant) but that's it. There are casual romps in space and time, but there are also dark dramatic episodes. It's the perfect balance for a show about a man who spends his time romping about in space and time.
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    (Original post by Jarred)
    In what way? Moffat cut out most of the camp RTD childish rubbish. Yeah there's a jollier Doctor these days (and he's brilliant) but that's it. There are casual romps in space and time, but there are also dark dramatic episodes. It's the perfect balance for a show about a man who spends his time romping about in space and time.
    RTD had darker episodes, Moffats are generally a lot lighter and jollier. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but it's certainly more child-friendly

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    (Original post by shadowdweller)
    RTD had darker episodes, Moffats are generally a lot lighter and jollier. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but it's certainly more child-friendly

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    I definitely agree that Moffat's era is more jolly, but the dark moments are always there (in fact there are more of them. RTD was melodramatic, not dark. There were dark epsiodes occasionally like Midnight and Waters of Mars but most of the time it was soapy soppy mush and the atmosphere never felt dark in the truest sense of the word). Anyway, to me that jolliness actually serves to make the dark moments more poignant and makes them that little bit darker. Particularly with the way Matt plays it, he plays the happy go lucky man flying around space in a magic box, but then he wants to make extinct the star whale or send a man to his death for war crimes and you see that all that darkness and pain is still there, the jolliness is just Eleven's way of dealing with it. Anyway that's a bit of a tangent there what I mean to say is I don't think jolliness makes it feel any more childish, I can see what you're saying, but I think there's a difference between making something enjoyable to children and inserting something purely for the kids.

    Jolliness is the first one. Kids probably appreciate the happy-go-lucky-lets-go-for-romp-in-space feel that we sometimes get with the Moff. But I don't feel like that is something explicitly childish, it's just a thing they like.

    Whereas something like farting monsters or superman angels or fatty babies or saving the world by making the Daleks spin around in a circle is explicitly childish, or just dumb. I'm not actually sure which, but it makes me sigh and I find many shows from that era of the programme unwatchable now.
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    (Original post by shadowdweller)
    Moffat has consistently made it more catered to children - debatable whether he made it a kids show - whereas RTD had a few childish episodes, but the majority of his episodes were not

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    I agree with this... I feel Moffat's era is definitely directed more to kids. Before anyone says farting aliens or burping dustbins to me - I don't, personally, find that childish. Just silly. RTD's era felt far less childish to me, more just "family friendly". Whereas Moffat's era seems to be catered directly for kids. I don't if it's just me, but kids seem to feature far more in Moffat's era than in RTD's - in more episodes there's at least one kid.
    Regardless of the themes in the episodes, to me Moffat's era is delivered in a more childish way, whereas RTD's just *feels* more mature.

    Okay, I just read that over and it's just a big ramble :lol:
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    (Original post by Jarred)
    I've never been convinced by the claims that Moffatt has turned it into a kids show. Almost a quarter of season 1 (3/13 episodes) were about ****ing farting monsters, and in series 4 we had an episode with stupid cute little babies made of fat. RTD was the man who pandered to the family audience, not the Moff.
    That's a bit unfair, the fact the monsters farted is really inconsequential. And in that episode you had the genuine moral turmoil that made Eccleston so brilliant - the decision to bomb 10 Downing Street. Plus the inhumanity of killing the pig pilot - his anger was palpable.

    Series 4 was a joke pretty much the whole way through. Awful.

    My problem with the Moff era is best summed up in the episode Victory of the Daleks. That episode is so clearly just a vehicle to show the new Daleks. The writing is painfully cheap. I'm aware that wasn't actually Moffat, but it's typical of his era. RTD was family-friendly, but for the whole family.
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    (Original post by Jarred)
    I definitely agree that Moffat's era is more jolly, but the dark moments are always there (in fact there are more of them. RTD was melodramatic, not dark. There were dark epsiodes occasionally like Midnight and Waters of Mars but most of the time it was soapy soppy mush and the atmosphere never felt dark in the truest sense of the word). Anyway, to me that jolliness actually serves to make the dark moments more poignant and makes them that little bit darker. Particularly with the way Matt plays it, he plays the happy go lucky man flying around space in a magic box, but then he wants to make extinct the star whale or send a man to his death for war crimes and you see that all that darkness and pain is still there, the jolliness is just Eleven's way of dealing with it. Anyway that's a bit of a tangent there what I mean to say is I don't think jolliness makes it feel any more childish, I can see what you're saying, but I think there's a difference between making something enjoyable to children and inserting something purely for the kids.

    Jolliness is the first one. Kids probably appreciate the happy-go-lucky-lets-go-for-romp-in-space feel that we sometimes get with the Moff. But I don't feel like that is something explicitly childish, it's just a thing they like.

    Whereas something like farting monsters or superman angels or fatty babies or saving the world by making the Daleks spin around in a circle is explicitly childish, or just dumb. I'm not actually sure which, but it makes me sigh and I find many shows from that era of the programme unwatchable now.
    You seriously think RTD wasn't dark? Midnight - hell, that was one of the darkest episodes of New Who, The Waters of Mars, The Long Game, the premise of New Earth. I think Moffat had more dark episodes, thinking about it, but RTD was definitely dark

    I'm not saying it's now directed solely at kids, but it's more childish in some ways then it used to be

    I'm not saying that all of what RTD wrote was great, but I don't think the fact that the aliens farted or the angels flew were particularly key plot points, episodes can contain childish features without being childish as a whole

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