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    (Original post by The Shed End)
    Sad really that our 2nd choice keeper would be far and away your best.
    Not really saying much when he'd be the best keeper in the league after De Gea leaves anyway
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    In all seriousness though if reports are true (which they won't be) and Chelsea are going to table such ridiculous offers then it's clear they are just stalling and won't sell to us. Give it another couple of weeks and then move onto other targets, specifically Begovic, we don't want to miss the bus when there will be a LOT of keepers swapping hands once De Gea moves to Madrid and we don't want to miss out and be left with no choice but to keep Ospina.
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    Sad really that our 21 year old current bench warmer would walk into you 1st XI
    he wouldn't though
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    (Original post by difeo)
    he wouldn't though

    When fully fit Ox > Willian
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    let Cech go to PSG and sign Sirigu.

    simples.
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    he went from **** to even ****ter, incredible
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    Sad really that our 21 year old current bench warmer would walk into you 1st XI
    Haha that is just fantastic. "Walk into the first XI".

    (Original post by leinad2012)
    When fully fit Ox > Willian
    And when is Chamberlain ever fully fit. Play different roles anyway, Willian is willing to put a shift in every game, which as everyone knows is what Mourinho prefers.
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    (Original post by difeo)


    he went from **** to even ****ter, incredible
    inb4 "but he played on the wing" "hurr durr"
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    When fully fit Ox > Willian
    not in Chelsea's team
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    (Original post by The Shed End)
    Haha that is just fantastic. "Walk into the first XI".



    And when is Chamberlain ever fully fit. Play different roles anyway, Willian is willing to put a shift in every game, which as everyone knows is what Mourinho prefers.
    "Puts in a shift"

    Yet the stats clearly show Ox is better in every single defensive matrix there is?

    http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...fence_score#90
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    Ox isn't a patch on Willian. When Willian is played as a workhorse he's much better than Ox in the same role, and when Willian is played as a creative link man with freedom (as he is for Brazil), he's amazing and has technical ability that Ox could only dream of.
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    "Puts in a shift"

    Yet the stats clearly show Ox is better in every single defensive matrix there is?

    http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...fence_score#90
    strong omission of defensive errors
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    "Puts in a shift"

    Yet the stats clearly show Ox is better in every single defensive matrix there is?

    http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...fence_score#90
    Proof, as if any more was needed, that defensive statistics in attacking players (and all players, actually) are nothing without context. Tackles and interceptions really aren't the be all and end all of defensive output from attacking players. Look at Balotelli beating Suarez in virtually every stat.

    Oxlade has also played games at CM and DM, where it's easier to pick up defensive numbers.
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    "Puts in a shift"

    Yet the stats clearly show Ox is better in every single defensive matrix there is?

    http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...fence_score#90
    Once again, an Arsenal fans compares a player to one that has played almost twice as many games/minutes, did you lot not learn with Coquelin and Matic? Chamberlain plays more central whereas Willian is almost always on the wing so will have more opportunities to get blocks and interceptions in. Only towards the end of the season did he really start drifting in field all the time. With his less playing time you would expect Chamberlain's averages to be far higher if he was that effective.

    And as Pimped said, Willian's technical ability will always be far superior. He always busts out the skills for the national team, probably because he has a freer role than he does for his club.
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    (Original post by difeo)
    strong omission of defensive errors
    Yes because Willians was 0 and Ox 0.06, meaning throughout the season ox made 1 defensive error, Willian made 0, hardly a difference is it?
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    Yes because Willians was 0 and Ox 0.06, meaning throughout the season ox made 1 defensive error, Willian made 0, hardly a difference is it?
    cherry-picking
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    (Original post by The Shed End)
    Once again, an Arsenal fans compares a player to one that has played almost twice as many games/minutes, did you lot not learn with Coquelin and Matic? Chamberlain plays more central whereas Willian is almost always on the wing so will have more opportunities to get blocks and interceptions in. Only towards the end of the season did he really start drifting in field all the time. With his less playing time you would expect Chamberlain's averages to be far higher if he was that effective.

    And as Pimped said, Willian's technical ability will always be far superior. He always busts out the skills for the national team, probably because he has a freer role than he does for his club.
    Chamberlain has played less games, but still has 2/3 total minutes and games, so it isn't as bad a comparison as Coq. On a per game basis Chamberlain beats Willian on all fronts still, and whilst I accept Chamberlain has played at DM occasionally, it has not been a significant amount of time.

    Chamberlain also wins in key passes, take-ons and chances created, where surely Willian, who only plays on the wing would have the upper hand no? Seems quite odd that you've been ****ging off Willian most of the season and are now jumping to his defence. Pimped was discussing strikers, we are discussing defensive minded wingers, you see the difference there surely?
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    (Original post by difeo)
    cherry-picking
    Cherry picking by including every defensive stat bar 2 where both players outputs were negligable, ok bruh, I'll have whatever you're smoking
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    Pimped was discussing strikers, we are discussing defensive minded wingers, you see the difference there surely?
    No I wasn't. I'm telling you factually that Oxlade shading interceptions, tackles and clearances over a 1500 minute sample means zilch.
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    (Original post by Pimped Butterfly)
    No I wasn't. I'm telling you factually that Oxlade shading interceptions, tackles and clearances over a 1500 minute sample means zilch.
    But that isn't the case, his stats have been consistent over the past 3 seasons (obviously last season is a tough one to judge as he only played 15 games). Combined that's a sample of 63 games, (and 3000 minutes), compared to the sample for Balotelli which you gave which was 900 minutes. You point on sample size is irrelevant when you look at the past 3 seasons.

    edit: in fact this season just gone has been arguably his worst season defensively
 
 
 
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