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    (Original post by ThisaraD)
    I mean, I'm all for social welfare, as long as those people who claim benefits are willing to work for free whilst they're on benefits after three months. Unless it's incapacity benefit, in which case, they deserve to be reprimanded fully for their incapacity to work.

    Yes, I believe that private sector integration, such as in the form of Advertising, is not bad at all, as it allows for better state provisions (for example, Boris should allow all the tubes in London to be laden with adverts on the outside) , and eases the burden on the taxpayer for building things such as schools. However, I believe that the Government should be the majority shareholder in all cases, and should have an overall say in how the service is run.

    I believe you should receive benefits on a means tested basis. If you need benefits, you should get them. However, I believe the scrapping of child benefits is wrong, as it disfavours a certain group in the population, which is extremely unfair. In particular, single mothers earning just more than £40,000. I believe in equality.

    Not at all, I believe that Unions play an extremely important role in society, and that they defend the needs of the employee against the generally heartless private sector. I'm all for unions having just as much of a say in politics as lobby groups and major financial companies are, thereby advocating a better educated form of democracy. Experts debating experts, not the general public debating the media.

    Oh, and Lib Dem? Ha, not a chance in hell, I'm far too authoritarian for that. It's why I believe in a mainly state controlled market.
    Your essentially a Blairite so whilst you are well on the right of TSR Labour, you should join them.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Surely the Liberal Democrats are fundamentally liberal in social views as opposed to his authoritarian justice stance which is much more in tune with New Labour or the Tories.
    Well I don't believe in an authoritarian prison system at all, I couldn't imagine anything worse than what that user described. I think we need to look at Norway's penal system and learn from it, with their use of open prisons to actually reform prisoners (which has been shown to work, with some, if not the lowest re-offending rates in Europe, and some of the cheapest prisons to run in Europe too).
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    (Original post by davidmarsh01)
    Well I don't believe in an authoritarian prison system at all, I couldn't imagine anything worse than what that user described. I think we need to look at Norway's penal system and learn from it, with their use of open prisons to actually reform prisoners (which has been shown to work, with some, if not the lowest re-offending rates in Europe, and some of the cheapest prisons to run in Europe too).
    Maybe so however you are not of the New Labour wing as shown by your support for a Socialist salary cap, though he is still close to the Blairites.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Your essentially a Blairite so whilst you are well on the right of TSR Labour, you should join them.
    Other than the Trade Unions point he could fit in with us...
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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    Other than the Trade Unions point he could fit in with us...
    I could, however, I believe fully in social justice, and liberal values, such as multiculturalism, globalisation, and I despise Nationalism. In addition, I don't believe that Britain should embrace the ways of traditional Christianity, or any religion. In an ideal world, I would make churches pay tax, and remove their charitable status.

    Finally, I fully support civil rights such as Gay marriage, and I hate the idea of a world where only the nuclear family is emphasised. So in terms of civil policy, I'm quite libertarian.

    This is why the political spectrum is so immensely flawed -__-


    (Original post by davidmarsh01)
    Well I don't believe in an authoritarian prison system at all, I couldn't imagine anything worse than what that user described. I think we need to look at Norway's penal system and learn from it, with their use of open prisons to actually reform prisoners (which has been shown to work, with some, if not the lowest re-offending rates in Europe, and some of the cheapest prisons to run in Europe too).
    That's a very good point, however, are you taking into account the cost of the rehabilitation services?
    Of course that also brings up issues such as the Anders Breivik case, and right now, that soulless ******* is can only be given around 21 years if found sane. Do you believe that it's a fair punishment for what he did?


    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Your essentially a Blairite so whilst you are well on the right of TSR Labour, you should join them.
    I think you're probably right.... Oh god, I think I threw up a little bit.
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    (Original post by ThisaraD)
    I could, however, I believe fully in social justice, and liberal values, such as multiculturalism, globalisation, and I despise Nationalism. In addition, I don't believe that Britain should embrace the ways of traditional Christianity, or any religion. In an ideal world, I would make churches pay tax, and remove their charitable status.

    Finally, I fully support civil rights such as Gay marriage, and I hate the idea of a world where only the nuclear family is emphasised. So in terms of civil policy, I'm quite libertarian.

    This is why the political spectrum is so immensely flawed -__-





    That's a very good point, however, are you taking into account the cost of the rehabilitation services?
    Of course that also brings up issues such as the Anders Breivik case, and right now, that soulless ******* is can only be given around 21 years if found sane. Do you believe that it's a fair punishment for what he did?




    I think you're probably right.... Oh god, I think I threw up a little bit.
    It is -.- I hate the way we still have a state religion, whilst I like nationalism to an extent I have no problem with multiculturalism. We of all people in Britain can complain least about immigration, as the proportion of people who would be classed as native britons is probably under 10 % in the UK now, under 1% in England. We are a nation built on integration. I think we need to keep family values, but the breakup of the family unit is an overused excuse, and I hate the idea that gay marriage is somehow "wrong".

    You could always form your own party if you wanted to but its difficult to do, especially if you're unsure of what support you'll get. You could fit in with a few parties here tbh.
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    (Original post by ThisaraD)
    I could, however, I believe fully in social justice, and liberal values, such as multiculturalism, globalisation, and I despise Nationalism. In addition, I don't believe that Britain should embrace the ways of traditional Christianity, or any religion. In an ideal world, I would make churches pay tax, and remove their charitable status.

    Finally, I fully support civil rights such as Gay marriage, and I hate the idea of a world where only the nuclear family is emphasised. So in terms of civil policy, I'm quite libertarian.

    This is why the political spectrum is so immensely flawed -__-




    That's a very good point, however, are you taking into account the cost of the rehabilitation services?
    Of course that also brings up issues such as the Anders Breivik case, and right now, that soulless ******* is can only be given around 21 years if found sane. Do you believe that it's a fair punishment for what he did?




    I think you're probably right.... Oh god, I think I threw up a little bit.
    Your first paragraph is actually pretty in line with the TSR Tories, i'm not a big nationalist and we obviously love globalisation although attitudes in regards to multiculturalism vary.

    So basically you have the choice of being on the right of TSR Labour (but close to being a Blairite in RL) or being on the left of TSR Tories.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Your first paragraph is actually pretty in line with the TSR Tories, i'm not a big nationalist and we obviously love globalisation although attitudes in regards to multiculturalism vary.

    So basically you have the choice of being on the right of TSR Labour (but close to being a Blairite in RL) or being on the left of TSR Tories.
    I see, so in which party would my view be more likely to be supported?
    In addition, I assume the TSR Tories don't actually support the real Tories right? I mean, I've always voted Labour, well once...
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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    It is -.- I hate the way we still have a state religion, whilst I like nationalism to an extent I have no problem with multiculturalism. We of all people in Britain can complain least about immigration, as the proportion of people who would be classed as native britons is probably under 10 % in the UK now, under 1% in England. We are a nation built on integration. I think we need to keep family values, but the breakup of the family unit is an overused excuse, and I hate the idea that gay marriage is somehow "wrong".

    You could always form your own party if you wanted to but its difficult to do, especially if you're unsure of what support you'll get. You could fit in with a few parties here tbh.
    I don't know, I mean I think Nationalism is a massive contributor to the factors which breed inherent and institutional racism, I mean, you can see the effect that Nationalism has in France, with the immense growth of the likes of Le Pen.

    As for your point about family values, I'm curious as to whether or not you are supportive of single parent families. I mean, I certainly am, and I think it's a perfectly justified life style, obviously, I'd like to see all parents working, regardless of their relationship status, but all in all, I think we should welcome those who choose a lifestyle different to the typical nuclear family as well. I also assume that you would be fully supportive of a household consisting of a gay couple and their adopted children?

    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Your first paragraph is actually pretty in line with the TSR Tories, i'm not a big nationalist and we obviously love globalisation although attitudes in regards to multiculturalism vary.

    So basically you have the choice of being on the right of TSR Labour (but close to being a Blairite in RL) or being on the left of TSR Tories.
    Thanks guys, .

    I see, so in which party would my views be more likely to be supported?
    In addition, I assume the TSR Tories don't actually support the real Tories right? I mean, I've always voted Labour, well once...
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    (Original post by ThisaraD)
    I don't know, I mean I think Nationalism is a massive contributor to the factors which breed inherent and institutional racism, I mean, you can see the effect that Nationalism has in France, with the immense growth of the likes of Le Pen.

    As for your point about family values, I'm curious as to whether or not you are supportive of single parent families. I mean, I certainly am, and I think it's a perfectly justified life style, obviously, I'd like to see all parents working, regardless of their relationship status, but all in all, I think we should welcome those who choose a lifestyle different to the typical nuclear family as well. I also assume that you would be fully supportive of a household consisting of a gay couple and their adopted children?



    Thanks guys, .

    I see, so in which party would my views be more likely to be supported?
    In addition, I assume the TSR Tories don't actually support the real Tories right? I mean, I've always voted Labour, well once...
    I have no issue with single parents, but think we should encourage parents to stick together where possible and think more deeply about having children if there's a chance they'll split up. However I don't support the stupid idea that single parents should be looked down on by society because of this. I've always supported the rights of homosexual couples to adopt children, and I might be wrong but I think there was a bill produced at some point about it
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    (Original post by ThisaraD)
    I see, so in which party would my view be more likely to be supported?
    In addition, I assume the TSR Tories don't actually support the real Tories right? I mean, I've always voted Labour, well once...
    Honestly no idea as TSR politics is much more polarised so you are in a gap so to speak.

    I am a RL Tory however there are those who are not in RL and the same for Labour.

    I suggest you ask the two parties for their views on certain things which are important to you and then make a decision.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Honestly no idea as TSR politics is much more polarised so you are in a gap so to speak.

    I am a RL Tory however there are those who are not in RL and the same for Labour.

    I suggest you ask the two parties for their views on certain things which are important to you and then make a decision.
    Why must it be one of the two big parties? Judging by his posts, i'd say he'd fit the lib dems pretty well - advocating very neo-liberal politics, but attempting to refine it using intervention. I'd definitely say the other parties are too polarised, but the lib dems are now the only representative of the middle-ground at the moment.
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    Why must it be one of the two big parties? Judging by his posts, i'd say he'd fit the lib dems pretty well - advocating very neo-liberal politics, but attempting to refine it using intervention. I'd definitely say the other parties are too polarised, but the lib dems are now the only representative of the middle-ground at the moment.
    His social views are not exactly.. liberal
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    His social views are not exactly.. liberal
    How so? He's secularist, pro gay adoption. The only aspect that he wouldn't fit in with is rehabilitation - and all parties seem to take a rehabilitative justice stance, i certainly haven't seen any authoritarian prison bills from neither Conservatives, nor Labour. Remember, being students, this house is pretty liberal regardless.
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    Thanks guys for all your input. After a long hard thought, I've decided that the party I should probably join is TSR Labour. I mean I don't believe in the rehabilitation of prisoners what-so-ever, and I find Labour has a habit of giving out a soft spot for those who commit crimes against the community, whilst the Tories have a habit of going insane over their sentences; three years in prison for "stealing" a pair of gloves.

    Obviously, I support my extremely authoritarian, borderline insane Prison Powerhouse system, however, the main concern is what the money would go towards. I would rather have it go to state welfare systems such as hospitals, education (with the exception of faith schools), emergency services and the police. This I think is the inherent difference between those in the Conservatives, and those in Labour and the Lib Dems.

    My main objection to joining the Lib Dems would probably be their immensely hippy attitude towards things like the Environment, and catch phrase politics, with their visions of a society based solely on a world where everyone contributes to everything, and accepts each others differences without question.I mean, as much as I'd like that to happen, I find it highly unlikely, and I find the Lib Dems tend to ignore the issues I see as most problematic, and choose Issues which are relatively unimportant. Did I mention the tuition fees? XD

    I also don't like the idea that the rich have to be punished for being rich, which is a problem which occurs in left wing parties, therefore, I would advocate a standardised tax rate, which is hopefully applicable with any party.

    Finally, I think nationalism is an unavoidable issue with the Conservatives, and something I would have to no doubt support as a TSR Tory. Having come from Sri Lanka, though, it's a pretty extreme example, it's very easy to see how it can become a decease, and lead to the exclusion of minorities, and institutional racism. Of course, France, as I said earlier is probably a much better example in it's applicability to the context of a modern liberal democracy.

    Anyway, you're correct, as TSR politics is based on idealism with a dash of pragmatism, I'm probably going to go with TSR Labour, a welfare society is probably the one I best fit in with.

    Thanks everyone!
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    How so? He's secularist, pro gay adoption. The only aspect that he wouldn't fit in with is rehabilitation - and all parties seem to take a rehabilitative justice stance, i certainly haven't seen any authoritarian prison bills from neither Conservatives, nor Labour. Remember, being students, this house is pretty liberal regardless.
    Who you calling a liberal? I'm no liberal and neither are you!
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    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    Who you calling a liberal? I'm no liberal and neither are you!
    Heh, i didn't mean liberal as in liberalism, i was talking about socially liberal. Regardless, i don't identify myself as liberal, however, the majority of the house is relatively liberal in its social views - rehabilitative justice, assisted suicide, civil rights (gay marriage), etc are all policies that the house tends to pass and maintain relative consensus on. Plus, i was focusing more on the centrist parties, namely the tories and labour because that's what the member in question was considering joining.

    I remember having had this debate with you in the past. Having aged, become more cynical and less anarchistic i do agree with you. However, the point still stands; there is very little authoritarian activity in the house.
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    Heh, i didn't mean liberal as in liberalism, i was talking about socially liberal. Regardless, i don't identify myself as liberal, however, the majority of the house is relatively liberal in its social views - rehabilitative justice, assisted suicide, civil rights (gay marriage), etc are all policies that the house tends to pass and maintain relative consensus on. Plus, i was focusing more on the centrist parties, namely the tories and labour because that's what the member in question was considering joining.

    I remember having had this debate with you in the past. Having aged, become more cynical and less anarchistic i do agree with you. However, the point still stands; there is very little authoritarian activity in the house.
    Hehe, I stand by my view that socialists appear to share positions with liberals and so socialism with liberalism but we have those viewpoints for very different reasons. To be a socialist is to reject liberalism and conservatism and to stand for something altogether greater!
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    What's the Labour Party's opinion on Hospital car parking charges?
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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    What's the Labour Party's opinion on Hospital car parking charges?
    Against them. People shouldn't have to pay to go to or visit someone in hospital.
 
 
 
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