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    (Original post by nempozpag)
    I have a job :woo:

    I was saying it isn't always easy to get a job. Mate of mine tried continuously throughtout the 2 years of 6th form and didn't succeed. And before you say he didn't try hard enough i'd like to refute it and say he really did.
    Its no where near as hard as everyone makes out. I have mates who also "tried" for the last 3 years and hasn't found one. I also have a mate who worked in KFC hated it went home one day determined to find a different job and 2 weeks later was doing an induction in morrisons.
    If you live in an urban area its not difficut to find part time work.
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    (Original post by Jeester)
    I don't get EMA but have to pay £30 from my own pocket a week to pay for transport, £10 to pay for food from my own pocket, that's 8 hours work at least and that pretty much takes away my saturday. So why should someone who has to pay the same as me get EMA and not have to work a saturday? I lose a whole day a week and they can just laze around. *******s.

    I'm not saying that I'm just saying that EMA does help people. I never said that people who get EMA shouldn't work. I too had a job when I was in college so don't come off all high and mighty like you think you're the only one who works. You lose one whole day a week boohoo I was working evenings and weekends when I was in college, and even when I had to stop working evenings I was still working both saturday and sunday - so get off your high horse with the whole "I lose a whole day a week so that makes me better than everyone else" attitude.

    And the point of the comment you quoted was that not everyone wastes their EMA on things they don't need. Where from that did you get the impression that I meant people who get EMA shouldn't work?!
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    The sad thing about EMA is that the majority don't need it and would do just fine without it, but there is a minority of people who would not be able to progress to higher education without it. It's no good saying 'get a job' because not everyone is in that position. In my town over 2500 people applied for 80 part time jobs at a new store. In some places there simply aren't enough jobs.

    And for those claiming that those who don't get it are jealous then I think you are wrong. I don't get it and I don't need it to go to college, therefore I don't want it. Do I want some extra cash for DVDs, books, clothes? YES. Do I want to receive money that I shouldn't really be entitled to in order to get them? NO. If you don't need it and you claim it then you should be ashamed. The system was designed to help people who would otherwise be forced to go into full time work instead of going to university. It's no use saying, 'oh but you wouldn't turn down free money'. The fact of the matter is, I would feel embarrassed to be receiving money that I don't really need in our current economic climate. EMA should be left for the people who really need it, and those people should not be criticised for claiming it. It is the people who spend it on alcohol, driving lessons and socialising that should be criticised. You have no defence.


    (Original post by Vodkaslur)
    A pathetic excuse of a boy at my college who has verbally abused me many times, spat at me and threw a table at me (all of which apparently are not enough for explusion as students are now given not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5 but 30 chances) has an 09 number plate on his car but still comes in 20 minutes before the lesson ends to get signed in and recieve his EMA.

    ITS BEYOND RIDICULOUS. ITS A SICK JOKE.
    My friend got sucker punched by this guy he knew and a tutor saw it and suspended the attacker. My friend chose not to get the police involved, so they weren't called. And hour later the guy was back in college and nobody did anything about it. It's shocking .


    (Original post by stinky--pete)
    i'm still confused. who the hell gets free travel?! it's soooo unbelievably expensive, what is this all this about??

    and if EMA is continued at least give everyone £10 to make it fair!!
    Whether you get free travel depends on your county council. In my county you get free travel if you are in education for more than 18 hours per week and you live over 2 or 3 miles away from college/school (i.e further than walking distance). Without it, my friend who lives about 30 miles away would have to pay £25 for the train every week and who knows how much for the bus.
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    The way I see it. EMA should be scrapped and we go to a system through the council or the LEA. As long as you choose to stay in education, you should not have to pay to travel to 6th form.

    I think if we scrap EMA we should implement a system where people who genuinely need the funds would be able to get a support grant (or even better - vouchers for textbooks) from the council and allow everyone in 6th form to travel for free.
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    (Original post by _Shanice_)
    I'm not saying that I'm just saying that EMA does help people. I never said that people who get EMA shouldn't work. I too had a job when I was in college so don't come off all high and mighty like you think you're the only one who works. You lose one whole day a week boohoo I was working evenings and weekends when I was in college, and even when I had to stop working evenings I was still working both saturday and sunday - so get off your high horse with the whole "I lose a whole day a week so that makes me better than everyone else" attitude.

    And the point of the comment you quoted was that not everyone wastes their EMA on things they don't need. Where from that did you get the impression that I meant people who get EMA shouldn't work?!
    Why should I lose a day a week (I actually work both days of the weekend and thursday evening and 6am-9am thursday morning and then covering shifts as well (this week I did wednesday evening 4-9.30)) when people on EMA don't need to do anything!?
    That's what I am saying. I know one day a week isn't much for what some people on low employment go through but those who get it and don't do anything and still SUCK at college don't deserve a penny.
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    (Original post by Tunde Onabajo)
    I strongly disagree with this. Economics is a beneficial A-Level and it is a shame that more students do not pick it up. That said, I think you will find that most people and universities consider subjects such as Business Studies, Photography, "Golf Studies" et al, to fit under the title "useless". Not Economics.
    That's why elite universities like Oxford (Saïd Business School) and Harvard teach Business. :rolleyes:
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    Do your research, EMA isnt going to be scrapped. Idiots.
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    (Original post by JonathanNorth)
    The free under 18 Oyster shouldn't be scrapped however as for the £30 a week from EMA that needs to be dealt with in a manner where it is not wasted like it is now. Though to be honest that money goes back into the economy as students to spend that money to buy food, games ... anything. But it does need reform in away so that it moreover is something that you actually work for as opposed to just coming in to college and receiving it based on doing minimal work.
    Many people who claim EMA do the work. Please don't lump us all together.
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    £30 a week is a lot tbh and half the ones at school who claim EMA have self-employed parents need i say anymore.
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    (Original post by Titch89)
    Many people who claim EMA do the work. Please don't lump us all together.
    I wasn't intending to, so if I sounded as if I did lump everyone on EMA being ideologically illegitimate; then I'm sorry. Though I do understand that people work for EMA, however so do others who do not receive EMA but instead have a job. My problem is that the money is too freely given out. I don't have a problem with this type of benefit, as I do see it as a way of giving to those less fortunate who work for it, it is just that it has its faults which need to be addressed.
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    (Original post by Jeester)
    Why should I lose a day a week (I actually work both days of the weekend and thursday evening and 6am-9am thursday morning and then covering shifts as well (this week I did wednesday evening 4-9.30)) when people on EMA don't need to do anything!?
    That's what I am saying. I know one day a week isn't much for what some people on low employment go through but those who get it and don't do anything and still SUCK at college don't deserve a penny.

    Again when the hell did I say people on EMA don't need to do anything? I never said that so stop putting words into my mouth.


    All I said was that EMA helps people who actually need it. However, I wasn't implying that this means they shouldn't do anything though, so again don't make assumptions from my original comment and suggest I said something I didn't.
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    what posters who tell others to get a job is that at the moment, there isn't many around (hence why unemployment is fairly hight), in my area it's all carer and cleaning jobs with unsuitable hours
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    ok here is another point that I would like to add?
    why exactly would people not want EMA to exsist?
    If you don't get it then its exsistence will not affect you?
    and If you do get it why would you care if an extra 60 pund was in account every other week?
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    (Original post by EMck)
    ok here is another point that I would like to add?
    why exactly would people not want EMA to exsist?
    If you don't get it then its exsistence will not affect you?
    and If you do get it why would you care if an extra 60 pund was in account every other week?
    500 million pound out affecting all of each taxpayers pockets. You don't think money grows on trees do you? :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Rainbows!)
    Stupid to be honest. Us working class people from deprived backgrounds will be forced to get to work and get a job because no one will be able to afford to go to college or travel there.
    Yes, and? I don't recieve ANY financial support. I have to work part time to fund my education and my leisure, why shouldn't you have to?

    I really hope the tories do abolish EMA, it was never a fair system, and considering the national debt, the money can and should be put towards much greater causes.
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    I am thinking how much of this whole argument can be related to the fact that many times some parents don't want to give money to their children even if they easily could do it... Instead they fund leasure for themselves... I don't know, maybe it's one of the norms in England.

    But on a more serious note, EMA should scrapped and subsitutued by a much effective system of vouchers for books/equipment and travel cards so people in need could get free travel or at least heavily subsidised. This way government makes sure that taxpayer's money is not spent on social life of college students, not all of them but it must admitted that it is a very significant group. Many of you surely noticed
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    Do your research, EMA isnt going to be scrapped. Idiots.
    And VAT wont rise?
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    (Original post by Quady)
    And VAT wont rise?
    It would have risen under Labour. Maybe if Labour hadn't wasted billions of pounds by putting it at 15% then it might have been possible to keep it at 17.5%. We have lower VAT compared to most other european countries anyway.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    It would have risen under Labour. Maybe if Labour hadn't wasted billions of pounds by putting it at 15% then it might have been possible to keep it at 17.5%. We have lower VAT compared to most other european countries anyway.
    I know they would, and I know it is.

    EMA would have been scrapped by Labour too.

    Whats your point?

    Mine was that just because something isn't officially planned doesn't mean its not happening.
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    Increases in VAT increases inflation right? And inflation is kinda something which is very high atm. I can't see them upping the VAT from my amateur perspective.
 
 
 
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