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    (Original post by effofex)
    How is our cultural identity being destroyed?
    What do Daily Mail-reading people throwing the word "destroy" around know about culture?
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    (Original post by twl)
    No.

    I'm saying evolutionary theory and all successful science presupposes a created world, it's just rarely acknowledged as such. The laws of evolution have been "uncovered" like a magician whipping a napkin off a top hat to reveal a rabbit. If evolution is real, like a rabbit, it is part of a creation.

    Biblical Creationism is the story of creation, not a scientific theory, and it doesn't pretend to be a scientific theory.
    Ah I see, that makes much more sense. I disagree that it presupposes a created world, but apart from that it sounds reasonable.
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    (Original post by twl;29107611[B)
    ]Avicenna and Al Farabi[/B], two of the more original philosophers, were not part of an 'Islamic Empire'. They were born outside of the various Caliphates in Khorasan, which today is in Afghanistan. Ibn Khaldun lived in the Maghreb, not under an Empire. So, you cannot say these philosophers came about at the height of Islamic power.
    Avincenna and Al Farabi was born in the Samanid Empire territory and this was an Islamic Empire.

    Ibn Khaldun was also born under an Islamic Empire as well. That area had been under Islamic conquest for several hundred years by the point.
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    (Original post by bunty64)
    anywhere in the middle east really (I've been to lebanon,turkey,syria.jordan,egyp t). If you travel as a tourist and explore, you'll see that the locals are friendly and hospitable. The whole sharia law we see in our media is an extreme example of the middle east.

    Yes you are right, Britain isn't perfect but it is a great multicultural society where people get along (albeit with the exception of a few).
    But we're not talking about people coming as tourists. The issues, such as they are, are about people of different cultures living alongside one another in the same country. The countries you mention aren't the best examples of that. Only yesterday Egypt's Christian minority came under attack, yet again.
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    (Original post by 12345hi)
    Its disgusting how people justify supporting the BNP because of their veiws on stopping immigration.

    YES every major party agrees on cutting down immigration, and thats what the Tories are doing because labour was too self-concious about their image to do it themselves

    BUT the BNP are a conpletely different thing. They beleive in WHITE SUPREMECY and only uses excuses like immigration to fire up the public support.

    Thats why only the ignorant vote for them! My parents were really pissed at the immigration problem but they didnt vote BNP because they're just Nazis in disguise XD

    Gutted for you "i'm not racist but...." people lol
    And point out were in there manifesto it states this.
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    (Original post by Barksy)
    It's quite funny, I've had chats with second and third generation Asians here and now they hate the Polish coming in! Years down the line these same Poles will hate Turkish coming in or something along them lines. Force people who have different ways of thinking and morales and there will always be conflict.
    Are they just telling you what you want to hear ? Or what they really think ?

    (Original post by Barksy)
    Why do you think no-one ever complains when there's a lot of Australians, Swedish or Danish in one place? It's the simple reason that these people's CULTURES are similar.
    Australians, Swedish or Danish are white. White immigration has never really been a problem. Now you may say “Yeah but the Poles are white too” but the problem is the poles have not been accepted into the white club yet. Having lived in the UK all my life I see whiteness as a club. Like a club it has members, it has rules about who can join and who cannot, it has duties and privileges. If you fail to carry out club duties they will be kicked out.

    To join :
    • You have to be born white or look enough like a white person to pass as one, so the poles are ok in that sphere and northern Europeans are the best example of this, light skin with a pink undertone
    • Honorary membership is sometimes given to those who do not look white if they are rich or willing to carry out all of the duties (see below). However not all privileges will necessarily be granted. Honorary membership is more likely to be extended to Asians than to blacks.

    Duties:
    • Accept White British culture as your guide to life. Practise it and do not question it. There aim is to speak, dress and act like a middle-class White British person with a good education. If they do not look white, this is a MUST !!. If they look white then a certain degree of freedom is allowed (Punks, goths but not, say, Muslims).
    • Do not seriously question or challenge white racism.
    • Do not make common cause with blacks, Asians or other people of colour.
    • Have mostly white friends.
    • Marry a white person. Back in the 1940s,50's,60's,70's and 80's breaking this rule would get you kicked out, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. Even now it is still a strike against a white UK person. Not so for white men who marry Asian women. I would not say that Simon Cowell or David Bowie have been kicked out of the white club despite their black wives and girlfriends. I would not say Cheryl Cole has been kicked out of the white club even though her ex was black (well mixed race) however if she marries another non white person then her membership would be in grave doubt. Being cultural contributors (and rich) helps to make up for it. If they, say were just chavs, then it would probably be game over for all three of them

    Privileges:
    • Living in better neighbourhoods with better schools and safer streets.
    • Lower unemployment.
    • Higher pay.
    • Longer life.
    • Not being seen as a threat by the police or security guards.
    • Being seen as more fully human.
    • Having whites take your ideas and experiences seriously (at least for males).
    • Listening to racist jokes (does not seem like a privilege, but it functions as one).

    See when the Irish came to the UK and Italians they were not seen as white at first even though they pretty much looked it. Only when they showed themselves willing to carry out club duties were they admitted and were able to enjoy its privileges. Had they kept their culture, married blacks or made common cause with us, they would have stayed at the bottom and would be regarded much as the Poles are now. But the Poles are the last of the boat, so they can claw it back, because after all, they are white and all they have to do is be willing to carry out white club duties.

    (Original post by Barksy)

    Many Muslims just don't understand or know how to accept different people.
    That's why Islam is poisonous I'm afraid.
    Oh right and what do you foreign troops are doing in muslim occupied lands in Afganistan and Iraq ? Do you think they are afraid ? Do you think the UK is accepting different people over there ?
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    (Original post by NigerianStudent)
    Are they just telling you what you want to hear ? Or what they really think ?
    ..............
    This is such a load of nonsense and I am saying that from the point of view of an Asian.
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    (Original post by jamesman13)
    for the last time THIS IS NOT ABOUT RACE. its about culture and background. maybe you should have a go at the weedy, nerdy, short kid who is in a school full of big, rugby players and says he doesnt fit in.
    Watch this and i hope you realise how much of a fool you really are......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw
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    (Original post by jamesman13)
    if the BNP get into power they'll ethnically cleanse britain of coloured people, but at least they may be compensated and will move to a part of the world they may still feel at home as its their origin.

    if the BNP dont, britain will be ethnically cleansed of white people, but white people wont be compensated, are more likely to face more competition for jobs for people who'll do it for less, and will be forced into living in a society they have nothing incommon with anyone and dont fit in.

    whats worse?


    in the 80s if you voted BNP you were racist because coloured people lived amongst whites without making white people feel like they dont fit in, and even assimilated into british culture.


    nick clegg worked for Survival International, a charity which protects the culture, the way of life and the land of indigeonous peoples such as the aboriginals in australia, and the amazonian tribes. why doesnt he care about the culture of the indigeonous british people, which I, as a Pole 3 generations ago, assimilated into?

    SOMEBODY is gonna be ethnically cleansed. immigrants are coming in too high numbers to be able to to integrate and seculalrlise. if they integrated into BRITISH SOCIETY and secularised everything would be ok
    Too lazy to work hard, then get lost

    And as the great Russel Peters once said "I'm sorry sir did you want to be a taxi driver?"

    (Original post by jamesman13)
    is no bull, you BEEN to london or brum?
    You been to Hull? Melton Mowbray? Grimsby? No?
    Just like you, I'm saying this from what I've seen and I saw that the British "White" (I've put it like that because no one is really white) are not a minority, why don't you actually do some research in to this and see the truth instead of believing badly put lies.

    oh and Troll
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    This is such a load of nonsense and I am saying that from the point of view of an Asian.
    It's not nonsense. If a white Uk person walks up to an Asian person and asks them about immigration. They will more than likely toe the party line, when people say in here "Accept our way of life" or "Accept british culture" what they basically mean is ACT WHITE and not the chavy Jeremy Kyle kinda of white no...no...no....but a middle-class white.

    It means talking and dressing like them, sharing their tastes and outlooks, not being too “different” – to assimilate into their culture, their world. hide where you came from.

    Now the number one thing about being white or being non white but trying to be a part of this country (Because let's cut the B.S that's what all this immigration is REALLY about) is to ACT RACIST WHEN REQUIRED

    Notice I said “act”, not “be”. Many ppl will act in racist ways even though they have no racist beliefs themselves, even when they must go against their own ideas of right and wrong. Why ? Because they do not want to become an outcast. So not only will whites attack the poles but even some asians and blacks will too. Not that I am hear to defend the poles as I know a lot of them are racist too but just giving the example
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    (Original post by tc92)
    But we're not talking about people coming as tourists. The issues, such as they are, are about people of different cultures living alongside one another in the same country. The countries you mention aren't the best examples of that. Only yesterday Egypt's Christian minority came under attack, yet again.
    The majority of folk in the countries I mentioned leave peacefully side by side. It is just a small number of people (usually the violent extremist muslim jihadi types) who cause trouble for everyone (bombs etc)....

    The majority of people in britain live peacefully side by side. Yes there are isolated trouble/tensions between people from different communities, but this is something which happens in areas of poverty and deprivation.

    As I said before, Britain is a great multicultural society, where the vast majority of people get along with one another....... not perfect but better than most countries in the same situation.
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    (Original post by NigerianStudent)
    It's not nonsense. If a white Uk person walks up to an Asian person and asks them about immigration. They will more than likely toe the party line, when people say in here "Accept our way of life" or "Accept british culture" what they basically mean is ACT WHITE and not the chavy Jeremy Kyle kinda of white no...no...no....but a middle-class white.

    It means talking and dressing like them, sharing their tastes and outlooks, not being too “different” – to assimilate into their culture, their world. hide where you came from.

    Now the number one thing about being white or being non white but trying to be a part of this country (Because let's cut the B.S that's what all this immigration is REALLY about) is to ACT RACIST WHEN REQUIRED

    Notice I said “act”, not “be”. Many ppl will act in racist ways even though they have no racist beliefs themselves, even when they must go against their own ideas of right and wrong. Why ? Because they do not want to become an outcast. So not only will whites attack the poles but even some asians and blacks will too. Not that I am hear to defend the poles as I know a lot of them are racist too but just giving the example
    the same can be said about black british folk.... the racist types are more accepting of black british folk, then they are of asians (synonymous with muslims) as they tend to have more in common with the white folk. Note that when I say black british, I'm not referring to british africans (ie.. ghanians, nigerians) who still hold onto their indigenous culture and values).....

    essentially the whole "integration" issue of asians (mostly the northern towns) isn't about beign fluent in the language, but it is mostly about living like their white counterparts (ie... socialising like them, having similiar family structures etc....this is what annoys a lot of the right wing white nationalists)
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    (Original post by Benammieh)
    I am not being racist though. I am simply stating that the radical muslims are causing a problem because they dont agree with the western society. All they need to so is to go back to their homes whereby there will be no problems. I did not say all muslims are! so you havent made a point sorry!
    but the ****ed up thing is that the radical muslims consider this to be their home....
    the radical muslim extremist anjum chaudry was interviewed on gmtv by kate garraway, and he was complaining as usual (infidels, lack or morals, corruot society etc) as she asked him why he doesn't leave this country.... he turned it back on her and asked her why she didn't believe this was his country..... poor women was squirming and apologising to the scumbag.....

    I understand what you're saying about relocating to his "home" country or any other country, but I don't agree on the basis that he doesn't belong here based on his ethnicity, rather that if he or others hate it so much, find a "nicer"place to live.... I say the same to the white nationalist whingers who always are so negative about this country; move to australia or any other country... and many do....
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    (Original post by twl)
    Not saying anything has a place in British society. I'm not saying Christianity has anything to do with Britain... Christianity is Christianity.

    Your "new gods" is new entertainment aristocracy. Roman empire had its famous gladiators, we have our equivalent. Nothing new.
    you said something like 'in the long term, atheism has no future here....' (britain)
    what do you mean by that and why?
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    (Original post by bunty64)
    you said something like 'in the long term, atheism has no future here....' (britain)
    what do you mean by that and why?
    Atheists aren't having babies and more often than not, despite the occasions where it doesn't happen, beliefs are passed down vertically, from Parents > Children rather than horizontally from Peers > Peers.

    For the majority, the way your parents think is the way you think.

    Let me put it this way: if the Peer > Peer mechanism triumphs this time it would be an historical first. More likely attempts to persuade friends to change their belief to atheism will become more and more uncool.

    In short, atheists are screwed. They won't be wiped out completely though, that has never happened.
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    (Original post by twl)
    Atheists aren't having babies and more often than not, despite the occasions where it doesn't happen, beliefs are passed down vertically, from Parents > Children rather than horizontally from Peers > Peers.

    For the majority, the way your parents think is the way you think.

    Let me put it this way: if the Peer > Peer mechanism triumphs this time it would be an historical first. More likely attempts to persuade friends to change their belief to atheism will become more and more uncool.

    In short, atheists are screwed. They won't be wiped out completely though, that has never happened.
    I don't believe it has anything to do with the birth rates of the athiest community, rather that the theist/agnostic community is far greater than the athiest community... there will always be athiests and I only see their numbers increasing, what with the decline of christianity...
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    (Original post by bunty64)
    I don't believe it has anything to do with the birth rates of the athiest community, rather that the theist/agnostic community is far greater than the athiest community... there will always be athiests and I only see their numbers increasing, what with the decline of christianity...
    Christianity has taken a hit in the last generation but, as I said, this generation as a consequence is less family orientated and are not having kids. How many atheist families with 3 or 4 kids do you know? Atheists can afford kids but they don't have them... discuss.
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    (Original post by twl)
    Christianity has taken a hit in the last generation but, as I said, this generation as a consequence is less family orientated and are not having kids. How many atheist families with 3 or 4 kids do you know? Atheists can afford kids but they don't have them... discuss.
    I onyly know of one atheist family with 3 kids...... why don't athiests have kids? Pls tell me...

    why do you think christianity has 'taken a hit'? I belive the the whole "broken britain" society is as a result of the decline of christianity.. agree?
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    (Original post by bunty64)
    I onyly know of one atheist family with 3 kids...... why don't athiests have kids? Pls tell me...
    Part of giving yourself the label "atheist" is a strive for self-perfection. Atheists so want to be perfect themselves and live their own perfect lives that they don't think about kids and all the hassle and imperfections that may result if they were to get it wrong. Raising kids is hard, and you never know, they might become religious, i.e. less than perfect people like them, so the only way to guarantee that does not happen is not to have kids, or to have fewer.


    why do you think christianity has 'taken a hit'?
    Over the last half century or so human achievement has been very great. People have come to think the whole world revolves around humans, human control everything that happens... even the climate system.

    Christianity has it that this world is Created by God. We can discover God's Creation. Ultimately though, we don't control it and nor will our understanding of it ever be complete... we are still our Father's children.

    I belive the the whole "broken britain" society is as a result of the decline of christianity.. agree?
    "Broken Britain" is a label... if by that label you mean "broken families" then I agree that had stronger Christian values prevailed there would be more intact families and more children with a more enriching environmental upbringing.
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    (Original post by bunty64)
    but the ****ed up thing is that the radical muslims consider this to be their home....
    the radical muslim extremist anjum chaudry was interviewed on gmtv by kate garraway, and he was complaining as usual (infidels, lack or morals, corruot society etc) as she asked him why he doesn't leave this country.... he turned it back on her and asked her why she didn't believe this was his country..... poor women was squirming and apologising to the scumbag.....

    I understand what you're saying about relocating to his "home" country or any other country, but I don't agree on the basis that he doesn't belong here based on his ethnicity, rather that if he or others hate it so much, find a "nicer"place to live.... I say the same to the white nationalist whingers who always are so negative about this country; move to australia or any other country... and many do....
    Yeah it's very true. No country is perfect in terms of dealing with morals and norms. It's just humanity. At the end of the day they're gonna have to deal with it. I don't think britain should change because a couple of radicals are crying, Britain is a very liberal country now and that is what their going to have to face and be happy with!
 
 
 
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