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    Thatcher didn't go far enough. She supposed to introduce tax per head as opposed to income tax.
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    Thatcher destroyed society, she said herself she didn't believe in it. She turned her back on most of the country, and focused on the upper-middle class yuppies and the banks. Our assets were sold overseas, our communities stripped of livelihood, and a culture of selfishness reigned supreme.
    The housing crisis of today, the banking crisis of today, the class divide of today - ALL are because of Thatcher. She was an ideological extremist surrounded by 'yes men'. Only the rich benefitted.
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    (Original post by Yael)
    Margaret Hilda Roberts was Jewish, not a goy, which makes her the 2nd best PM after Benjamin Disraeli.
    LOL
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    You keep negging me but I wonder how many of you would actually be willing to live and work under Thatcherism today in the factory on a night shift. What you would fancy doing is pushing a pen for a high salary to be able to buy as much of a commodity produced by the one who would be doing a night shift as possible.

    Greed, snobbery, inhumane attitude towards society. This is why I'm going back to my home country after I graduate the university here. It's not the UK I've imagined and the government is doing everything to take this country back to the 1980s.
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    (Original post by Karla_Steinbach)
    You keep negging me but I wonder how many of you would actually be willing to live and work under Thatcherism today in the factory on a night shift.
    I wonder if you would be willing to live and work under the conditions of the 1970s? Three day working weeks, power cuts, double digit inflation, no disposable income, rubbish not being collected, corpses not being buried, tens of millions of working days lost to industrial action each year, unions dictating terms to the government, a billion pounds a year of taxpayers money being spent subsidising the mines, 33% rate of basic income tax and a top rate of 80%...
    I also have worked in factories on night shifts, and that was only possible thanks to the foreign investment Thatcher brought to this country in the 80s. Without that there'd be no factories, period.
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    (Original post by Karla_Steinbach)
    You keep negging me but I wonder how many of you would actually be willing to live and work under Thatcherism today in the factory on a night shift. What you would fancy doing is pushing a pen for a high salary to be able to buy as much of a commodity produced by the one who would be doing a night shift as possible.

    Greed, snobbery, inhumane attitude towards society. This is why I'm going back to my home country after I graduate the university here. It's not the UK I've imagined and the government is doing everything to take this country back to the 1980s.
    None of them. That's the truth. Lack of real life work experience produces free market advocates who would happily wipe the floor with the working people, until they themselves experience first-degree contact with the cold, wet grundrisse.
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    (Original post by pol pot noodles)
    I wonder if you would be willing to live and work under the conditions of the 1970s? Three day working weeks, power cuts, double digit inflation, no disposable income, rubbish not being collected, corpses not being buried, tens of millions of working days lost to industrial action each year, unions dictating terms to the government, a billion pounds a year of taxpayers money being spent subsidising the mines, 33% rate of basic income tax and a top rate of 80%...
    I also have worked in factories on night shifts, and that was only possible thanks to the foreign investment Thatcher brought to this country in the 80s. Without that there'd be no factories, period.
    1970s was the last time when the British working class championed the cause of liberty over safety, demanded the political say in the internal socio-economic affairs and non-alienating working conditions.

    Surely you can be the subject to whom you sell your labour power and thereby maintain a living, but life is of lesser value than an ideal, justice and equality.

    To this day British working class are treated as one race below the middle, whereas the middle is a conformist, puppet class aspiring to be the top 1% one day, failing to recognize the needs and necessity of those who really create wealth in our country.
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    I think in order to really understand what Thatcher brought to this country you had to live through it. My dad was one of those people, in fact he was a policeman at the miners strikes. I want to make it clear my dad is at most conservative with a small c, he has voted for both the conservatives and labour in the past.

    His opinion is that people like to remember the 'illness' Thatcher brought on the country as if the 70's were some kind of golden age for Britain, which is far from reality. People weren't even getting buried it got that bad. Thatcher put an end to the Unions' hold on the country, with over 900,000 days/month lost to industrial strikes in 1979 compared to 180,000 days/month in 1990. She stood up for us in Europe and further afield. Britain's inflation rate in the 70's (13%) was destroying us, making pensions worthless. Something had to change. It came at a cost, but many would say that was inevitable with unemployment already on the rise (1.5 million in Callaghan's reign) with or without Thatchers shock tactics. Same goes for the privatisation of industry, although my dad was quick to point out that he believes some industries should never have been sold overseas. These things would have happened anyway. This country needed somebody who could take criticism from some sectors in order to stop the rot. Globalisation was always going to undermine our manufacturing industry like it or not. Thatcher changed where we made our money, at a cost to many people but, again, wasn't that inevitable?

    I can't agree with everything she did, but in politics there are always winners and losers, you cant get it right every time. But you have to ask yourself, did Thatcher leave this country in a better state than she found it, and the answer in my opinion is yes. There was a long term cost to many settlements of course, in the north especially, I would say they were unfairly left out to dry. You could say some of her actions were short sighted, I think that would be a fair criticism. Love her or loath her though, I think you have to admire her, she really did have an iron will. Perhaps that will was at times misplaced, but Britain needed a leader who was decisive in her actions and her ideals.
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    (Original post by Hermann Göring)
    LOL
    Thatcher was Jewish and why is it funny :mad:
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    (Original post by Evie Ninnenbaum)
    1970s was the last time when the British working class championed the cause of liberty over safety, demanded the political say in the internal socio-economic affairs and non-alienating working conditions.
    You have a perverse understanding of the meaning of that word if you think being held to ransom by unions, being told when you could work and who you could vote for is liberty.
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    I wasnt around when she was PM so I cant make a full judgement, but from what i know most of her policies have allowed us to be where we are now, they were long term benefits.

    Coal mining, Where is there a strong demand for coal, what is it used in a lot? ... oh wait barely anything uses coal anymore. the coal miners jobs would be useless now, theres no demand for coal anymore. It allowed us to focus on developing markets that we are now strong in (UK is very strong in financial markets). let developing countries produce what we used to. Trade unions are possibly the worst things to exist in an economy. Push up wages, so less people get employed as firms cant afford it. can you imagine going to a time where your electricity cut out in the middle of watching TV because trade unions decided there was a tiny problem. can you imagine dead bodies being left there not buried (imagine how you'd feel if it was your mum) rubbish sat on the streets not collected. What thatcher did has made our economy far better off than it wouldve been had she no been PM. For all the people that are moaning about what she did, move on its in the past. IMAGINE LIVING IN THE TIMES BEFORE SHE WAS PM, You Wouldnt like it!! oh and she never did anything for the working class? my grandparents where able to buy a house from the council during her time. they wouldnt have been able to do this otherwise.

    Before you make a judgement, pick up a book on basic economics that is not biased either way, I guaruntee no matter what your previous thoughts, or what your family thinks of her. you'll be able to see the benefits she brought to our country. even if you still dont agree with all her policices
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    (Original post by meenu89)
    You could argue that she kept peaceful engagement with the South African Government. I would also argue it worked- after all it lead to Mandela being freed. Didn't he go and see Mrs. Thatcher and thank her for her help?
    As for Chile, it was a case of my enemy's enmey is my friend. Probably without his help we would have lost the Falklands.
    Her greatest testament is New Labour, they didn't undo many of her reforms, even to this day, the Trade Unions are still tamed by her legislation.
    She was no ally of Mandela, particularly in light of describing him as a terrorist. In my eyes there's no doubting her and Reagan caused much damage abroad.(Even if her conviction helped end the Cold War)
    As for New Labour; In my opinion I believe that was her worst infliction on the political landscape. Whereas before we had a clear distinction between left and right for better or worse, post-Thatcher Britain never really gave the electorate a choice, it was merely a right wing party or a more right wing party; it almost reflects the US; the idea you have two empty bottles with the same label.
    IMO, I'm sincerely hoping Ed Miliband takes the party further left. But that's just from my perspective as a moderate socialist.
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    (Original post by Yael)
    Thatcher was Jewish and why is it funny :mad:
    The Methodist and CoE churches she attended might have something to say about that.
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    The 'no such thing as society' quote comes up time and time again, people take that out of context. Thatcher was saying people expect 'society' to pay for there failings in the term of benefits and subsidies. Whereas really there is no such thing as society, just individual men and women and their families who are forking out in tax, and its morally wrong to expect hardworking people to pay for the lives of others.

    Quite right too
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    (Original post by JFA 95)
    She was no ally of Mandela, particularly in light of describing him as a terrorist.
    She described the ANC as terrorists, which they were, and she did more to end apartheid and get Mandela freed than any other contempary world leader. Mandela personally thanked her for his release and the ANC even paid tribute to her when she died, what does that tell you?
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    (Original post by JFA 95)
    She was no ally of Mandela, particularly in light of describing him as a terrorist. In my eyes there's no doubting her and Reagan caused much damage abroad.(Even if her conviction helped end the Cold War)
    As for New Labour; In my opinion I believe that was her worst infliction on the political landscape. Whereas before we had a clear distinction between left and right for better or worse, post-Thatcher Britain never really gave the electorate a choice, it was merely a right wing party or a more right wing party; it almost reflects the US; the idea you have two empty bottles with the same label.
    IMO, I'm sincerely hoping Ed Miliband takes the party further left. But that's just from my perspective as a moderate socialist.
    I am a UKIP voter, and I hope this happens. Labour's vote will be decimated, and come to UKIP. The politics of the hard left are never coming back thanks to the great Lady Thatcher.

    And when does happen and Ed loses touch with public opinion even more, you will witness decades of opposition.
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    (Original post by RealWorkingClass)
    Thatcher destroyed society, she said herself she didn't believe in it. She turned her back on most of the country, and focused on the upper-middle class yuppies and the banks. Our assets were sold overseas, our communities stripped of livelihood, and a culture of selfishness reigned supreme.
    The housing crisis of today, the banking crisis of today, the class divide of today - ALL are because of Thatcher. She was an ideological extremist surrounded by 'yes men'. Only the rich benefitted.
    you poor sod, you actually believe that? how can something that happened globally in 2008 be caused by a british PM in the 1980's. the housing crisis was caused by bankers in america, lending to people who could never afford to pay it back. If anything the labour government is the reason we cant get out of this situation, becuase of there wild spending far greater than any tax returns, they operated in a massive deficit which now has to be cut.

    There can only be one small link of the housing crisis and thatcher, and that is the increase in globablisation the UK has been part of, which means UK banks are linked to banks in the US, which is why we are in a crisis too.

    only the rich benefited? my grandparents werent very rich, they benefited because she sold council houses heavily discounted to them, they would never have got on the property ladder. so stop making uneducated statements based on what youve heard and pick a book on economics up so you can understand better what she did.
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    (Original post by klomd)
    you poor sod, you actually believe that? how can something that happened globally in 2008 be caused by a british PM in the 1980's. the housing crisis was caused by bankers in america, lending to people who could never afford to pay it back. If anything the labour government is the reason we cant get out of this situation, becuase of there wild spending far greater than any tax returns, they operated in a massive deficit which now has to be cut.

    There can only be one small link of the housing crisis and thatcher, and that is the increase in globablisation the UK has been part of, which means UK banks are linked to banks in the US, which is why we are in a crisis too.

    only the rich benefited? my grandparents werent very rich, they benefited because she sold council houses heavily discounted to them, they would never have got on the property ladder. so stop making uneducated statements based on what youve heard and pick a book on economics up so you can understand better what she did.
    Haha sorry what a ridiculous comment. I've just pasted it from the Glenda Jackson video it was the top comment.

    There isn't a single internet debate which I ever take seriously and the reasons are obvious - it's stressful, unhealthy and very time consuming. I would quite happily debate such issues in the real life but over the internet people are openly making an assault on one's IQ causing it to drop through the weapons of false propaganda and ideological trolling - which is kind of what I did.

    Overall I see Thatcher negatively, but who cares let's get on with today's Britain. I'm going back to revision.
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    Okay I've changed my mind. In fact I uphold all the views from that comment as my own and you can suck on it.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    This post is utterly beyond stupid.
    Why's that? It seems to me that you're utterly beyond stupid.
 
 
 
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