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    Andy Dalton's has been named to the Pro Bowl, in place of an injured Aaron Rodgers? Good grief. http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/2...placement-2015

    I appreciate Flacco turned it down, and Drew Brees and Matt Stafford (?!?!!) have already been picked up, but Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan and Eli Manning should have been in ahead of Dalton. Jesus wept.

    If one of them doesn't replace Brady...

    Edit: Ah right...Rivers turned it down due to injury, and Matt Ryan was named in place of Brady.
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    (Original post by Wattsy)
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    A nice video for the first post in the thread.

    http://vimeo.com/117268065
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    Is this an unusual number of replacements? It feels like this year's pro bowl is even more meaningless than all the other ones. Rivers definitely, but I can see why Eli and Matt Ryan both got snubbed, even if their teams' poor performance wasn't really on them.
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    So it's looking more and more like Adam Gase to Jacksonville, as the OC. Trestman's gone to Baltimore, to fill the vacant OC position.

    Doug Marronne is the new O-line coach/assistant head coach, which is a good move -- he's a good o-line specialist, and the Jags need all the help they can get on the offensive line, now, in free agency, and through the draft. However, on the offense, they are just a TE and a feature back away in the skill positions on offense. In the draft, and through free agency, they can address the secondary and offensive line, and then use the usual depth additions.
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    (Original post by jammy4041)
    So it's looking more and more like Adam Gase to Jacksonville, as the OC. Trestman's gone to Baltimore, to fill the vacant OC position.

    Doug Marronne is the new O-line coach/assistant head coach, which is a good move -- he's a good o-line specialist, and the Jags need all the help they can get on the offensive line, now, in free agency, and through the draft. However, on the offense, they are just a TE and a feature back away in the skill positions on offense. In the draft, and through free agency, they can address the secondary and offensive line, and then use the usual depth additions.
    I got that one wrong then...Gase is a good offensive coordinator. He doesn't get the credit he deserves....Oh well...the Rams job is still open....


    (Original post by jammy4041)
    Indeed. The more I think about it though, if the Patriots were cheating, it would be incredibly difficult to pull off. The referees touch the ball every single down. They'd know pretty quickly, if anything's up.

    The ball-boys and girls are the only other people to handle the football. Even if it's systematic...how will they ensure that the Patriots offense gets the 'deflated' football, and not the Colts' offense? The teams change halfs. Also, the ball which was taken away, for a routine test, was a kicking football, which are completely different to the ones used on offense/defense...

    So, in order for that to happen, the refs, the NFL, and the ball-boys and girls have to be in on the whole shebang. That's just implausible. People just want to believe the made up work of some bitter Indianapolis hack, because his team got smacked.

    99.99999%+ sure that there's nothing to see here, so this meme sums things up nicely....


    I'm not liking this taste of humble pie. Hopefully this report is bogus...because...it's not exactly looking good for the AFC representative in the superbowl....



    (Original post by SBNATION)
    The NFL found the New England Patriots used deflated footballs during the AFC Championship, according to a report from Chris Mortensen of ESPN. According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds per square inch each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.
    While Mortenson cites league sources, the NFL is yet to comment on the investigation. The Patriots maintain they will cooperate with the NFL. Reports about under-inflated footballs used by the Patriots surfaced only a few hours after the AFC Championship ended. The NFL and the Patriots responded the following day, with the league saying it would look into the matter and expected to resolve the investigation quickly.
    The inflation of the footballs may not have come into question had Tom Brady not thrown an interception. According to reports, D'Qwell Jackson handed the ball he intercepted to a member of the equipment staff. That person then told Colts head coach Chuck Pagano of the issue with the ball. Word was eventually passed on to Indianapolis general manager Ryan Grigson and Mike Kensil, NFL director of football operations.
    NFL teams prepare their own 12 game balls, which are checked by officials prior to kickoff. After being checked, balls are given to an attendant who works with officials to rotate footballs in play. There is a separate set of kicking balls, used only for special teams.
    With the investigation still ongoing, any potential punishment remains unknown. According to initial reports, the Patriots could be fined and even docked draft picks if the league determines the balls were intentionally deflated.

    From: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/2...bill-belichick
    That's big.
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    BTW, it's 2lb per square inch of pressure less than that which was supposed to be in the balls. Not 2lbs weight less. FWIW.

    But it seems to me that if they were ALL uniformly under inflated, then the fault lies either with the machine used to inflate them, or the referees for not doing their job properly pre-game. For heaven's sake, if it WAS tampering, how in the name of all the Gods of Football was it pulled off and so perfectly uniform? That's the key right there because there are cameras everywhere, not just the shots we see on TV and in the game film, but also security cams along the sidelines, end zones, etc. More than some casinos have. So someone took the balls, used a gauge to deflate them ALL by the same amount of 2psi, and did this with no one watching? It's absurd.

    AND....... who is to say that the deflation wasn't a result of the game use, Gronk spikes, players falling on them or even weather conditions?

    AND..... while we're at it, did anyone from the NFL take a look at all the Colts footballs and their inflation? Besides, if they weren't checked right at the end of the game, then the chain of custody prohibits any meaningful checks, because the Colts, had they wanted to, could have brought their game-used footballs up to a proper amount of psi inflation, or mixed them in with other footballs, etc.

    This whole things sucks, and looks much more like a case of mechanical failure and/or inspection error than any intentional tampering. For myself, I just don't see how, with those footballs being brought in and out of play every series (or sooner), and with all the cameras, security personnel, fans, reporters, etc, that the team could have had anyone DO this deflation. It defies common sense.

    But that's just me, you know? The media will have another sensational faux scandal on their hands, and lord knows how they love to run with any sort of rumor about New England.
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    (Original post by Malevolent)
    BTW, it's 2lb per square inch of pressure less than that which was supposed to be in the balls. Not 2lbs weight less. FWIW.

    But it seems to me that if they were ALL uniformly under inflated, then the fault lies either with the machine used to inflate them, or the referees for not doing their job properly pre-game. For heaven's sake, if it WAS tampering, how in the name of all the Gods of Football was it pulled off and so perfectly uniform? That's the key right there because there are cameras everywhere, not just the shots we see on TV and in the game film, but also security cams along the sidelines, end zones, etc. More than some casinos have. So someone took the balls, used a gauge to deflate them ALL by the same amount of 2psi, and did this with no one watching? It's absurd.

    AND....... who is to say that the deflation wasn't a result of the game use, Gronk spikes, players falling on them or even weather conditions?

    AND..... while we're at it, did anyone from the NFL take a look at all the Colts footballs and their inflation? Besides, if they weren't checked right at the end of the game, then the chain of custody prohibits any meaningful checks, because the Colts, had they wanted to, could have brought their game-used footballs up to a proper amount of psi inflation, or mixed them in with other footballs, etc.

    This whole things sucks, and looks much more like a case of mechanical failure and/or inspection error than any intentional tampering. For myself, I just don't see how, with those footballs being brought in and out of play every series (or sooner), and with all the cameras, security personnel, fans, reporters, etc, that the team could have had anyone DO this deflation. It defies common sense.

    But that's just me, you know? The media will have another sensational faux scandal on their hands, and lord knows how they love to run with any sort of rumor about New England.
    I would agree with that.

    The investigation is still continuing. For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure that the balls were checked indoors, and met NFL standards...so I would be surprised if the Patriots were to be found intentionally deflating footballs. Yes...footballs deflate in the cold. That's natural.

    I also agree about the cameras, and the absurdness in the logistics of intentionally deflating footballs.
    To me, it's an unnecessary distraction, when the Patriots should be preparing to represent the AFC in the superbowl... Machine error is plausible, as is referee error. I don't quite know how 2psi affects a football. It's probably not a lot though...

    Also, un-named NFL reports..aren't exactly the most reliable of sources either. I'm hearing an awful lot of contradicting info, though. I thought it was initially a kicking ball which was taken away. Now it's a ball used for the Patriots offense.
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    I'll do a Superbowl update to the first post over the weekend/whenever I have time in the next week. Any good ideas for it? Jammy I'll put your video in then.
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    Deflate-gate. Thoughts?
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    I'm just not too sure how they would've been able to pull off tampering with the footballs if they did indeed do so... The logistics of it as stated above make it seem quite implausible but this is Belichick we're talking about here; he's dedicated to winning and is always willing to push the boundaries.

    Also, from reports that've come out from others who've played QB in the league, it seems as though adjusting the football to their preference is fairly common on game day whether that be increasing or decreasing air pressure or having it sanded so it's not as slick.

    Belichick's press conference today was interesting - he denied having any knowledge whilst insinuating Brady could've known of it. Personally, I think this is more a tactic so that if the league does decide to take action on this they can simply discipline Brady in some way rather than implicate the team and consequently lose draft picks.

    Even if they did cheat I think the NFL would have a hard time proving it.




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    Supposedly the nfl are having a very hard time actually finding evidence that the Patriots came out and tampered with the balls. It just doesn't make any sense.

    How did no one manage to feel that the ball was lighter? When did they supposedly let the air out?

    If it happened I actually think brady is more likely to be involved than belichick. The response by the media has been a joke, a full on witch hunt. Only when the patriots were suspected with tampering the ball did they run with the story and boy did they run with it...
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    (Original post by Stalin)
    You're a fan of this strange rugby?

    I am indeed! Seems we support the same team, again. Typical.

    This deflate-gate has been some of the worst, most biased reporting I've ever seen in my life. Except for the huns dying, maybe. :lol:
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    (Original post by R-KAM)
    I am indeed! Seems we support the same team, again. Typical.

    This deflate-gate has been some of the worst, most biased reporting I've ever seen in my life. Except for the huns dying, maybe. :lol:
    I don't understand how the balls were tampered with, though. The officials check that they're legit, and they even mark them; but surely they keep tabs on the geezer handing them to Brady? And if they see him squashing the ball, they check the ball, check the rest in the bag, and report back to their superiors?

    Bunch of sore losers tbpfhwy.

    And it's not as if the Colts would have done much against the Seahawks anyway....

    Although, as much as I'd like to see Brady and Belichick win another Super Bowl, they're gonna have to smash them by some margin to surpass the mighty Alloa's 3-2 comeback vs 'them'.

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30021373

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    The journalism is a joke. Now Jackson the linebacker who supposedly noticed it was flat has come out and said he noticed nothing. Just what is going on...
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    I'm just hearing so much conflicting information...I'm beyond the point of caring to be honest.

    The way the media has handled it is silly, but what has to be established is whether it was intentional. I do agree with Malevolent to quite a significant extent, because, of the natural things that deflate the football....Gronk Spikes aside...the cold weather would have had an impact. Brady likes a football on the flatter side (Rodgers likes it more inflated), but if it's already marginal it could explain a few things...

    But I though the officials were responsible for checking the football? They touch it every down...

    I do take this from a point of AFC pride. I don't believe the Patriots cheated...or deflated them intentionally. It just doesn't add up. "2lbs under the limit in 11/12 footballs" -- that's d e f i n e t e l y cheating right??? Alas, if it was as cut-and-dried as that, and as the media has made out, well...the Pats would have lost their draft picks by now.

    However, it doesn't look good for the conference, if its representative in the superbowl was found to be cheating to make the Superbowl game. The NFC fans will just point out that the only way the AFC team can win, is if it cheats...and by extension, the NFC is vastly superior etc etc...add that to the debacle of last year's superbowl...and the NFC types would be suggesting that the NFC representative will win every Superbowl for the next 5/10/20 years etc...
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    Always will root for an AFC team over an NFC team. Matter of pride.
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    Nothing will happen with regards to deflate-gate. Storm in a teacup.
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    This is so non-serious that Rodgers even admitted that he has guys deliberately overinflate balls sometimes and pushes what he can get away with.

    (Original post by Malevolent)
    The journalism is a joke. Now Jackson the linebacker who supposedly noticed it was flat has come out and said he noticed nothing. Just what is going on...
    He was never reported to have noticed it. He handed it to an equipment guy who noticed it.
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    Only a week left until superbowl.

    I'm out of sky passes. What's the commentary team on channel four like again? I can't remember but I think they used CBS commentary and then crap UK guys for analysis.

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    Enjoyed reading Dungy's bull crap opinion. Guy is such a class a C u n t ****.

    Counter a legal play with illegal ? Yeah okay...

    Why isn't there more noise about him endorsing having players fake injuries? Oh wait it's cause it's not the pats :rolleyes:
 
 
 
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