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Vote green for an eco feminist britain! The tories are misogynist, Cameron wouldn't even wear a 'I'm a feminist' T-Shirt. Also he called a women darling. **** the tories!

Not to mention they are all white upper class cis hetero males aka they have massive privilege and cannot be trusted to represent PoC or women or other oppressed groups.
Yes Shame on Cameron for not endorsing a company endorsing women working sweat shop virtual slave labour in a third world country. Shame on Cameron condemning actual oppression in countries middle class privileged students have never set foot in.

This is why people don't take first world feminism seriously. Vote conservative for an economic plan that isn't a complete disaster like Labour, or the Green party that want to send us back to the stone age.
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I'd prefer all mps give up significant business interests if there's a conflict of interest.

Why have you said Tory MPs? Are labour MPs allowed to carry on working?
Because tories want to cut back the public sector.
What like Grant Schapps did? Go on criticise him. Prove you can.
Dangerously close to deviating from the party line here MS...
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Because tories want to cut back the public sector.
What like Grant Schapps did? Go on criticise him. Prove you can.
Dangerously close to deviating from the party line here MS...
So you've chosen to ignore why labour MPs should be allowed to work and not conservative MPs.

I want to cut back on the public sector. Even labour has acknowledged that spending cuts have to made in order to balance the books. The only political parties that want to expand spending is the bat s*** crazy loons like plaid and the snp.

For the Record though, I want the public sector cut back as well.
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So you've chosen to ignore why labour MPs should be allowed to work and not conservative MPs.

I want to cut back on the public sector. Even labour has acknowledged that spending cuts have to made in order to balance the books. The only political parties that want to expand spending is the bat s*** crazy loons like plaid and the snp.

For the Record though, I want the public sector cut back as well.
Maybe if you'd read what I said in context, rather than jumping to your position of tory party mouthpiece, you'd understand.
I don't think either should have to give up work. I was making a point that if conservative voters aren't happy about the tax payer then paying for wages then you really should ask your tory mps to give their tax payer salary back.

Get the money from tax avoidance and we'll have no need for such savage cuts.
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(Original post by QuantumOverlord)
Yes Shame on Cameron for not endorsing a company endorsing women working sweat shop virtual slave labour in a third world country. Shame on Cameron condemning actual oppression in countries middle class privileged students have never set foot in.

This is why people don't take first world feminism seriously. Vote conservative for an economic plan that isn't a complete disaster like Labour, or the Green party that want to send us back to the stone age.
Yea wait for another 5 year then u ll see the disaster

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Maybe if you'd read what I said in context, rather than jumping to your position of tory party mouthpiece, you'd understand.
I don't think either should have to give up work. I was making a point that if conservative voters aren't happy about the tax payer then paying for wages then you really should ask your tory mps to give their tax payer salary back.

Get the money from tax avoidance and we'll have no need for such savage cuts.
Why should mps give their salary back?

I've recently had the uber socialist snp vote themselves payrises to the FM is on more than the PM.

When you say close the tax avoidance loop holes, do you mean these ones that have been closed by those nasty Tories.

Although they do allow for stories like this.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...r-donation-tax
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(Original post by MatureStudent36)
Why should mps give their salary back?

I've recently had the uber socialist snp vote themselves payrises to the FM is on more than the PM.

When you say close the tax avoidance loop holes, do you mean these ones that have been closed by those nasty Tories.

Although they do allow for stories like this.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...r-donation-tax
Which loop-holes have the tories closed?
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Which loop-holes have the tories closed?
http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-advi...mpdown/a804125

http://iphone.appleinsider.com/artic...ofits-overseas

There's two.

But let's look at what HMG said a few years ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...mit-luxembourg
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Indeed. You should be out telling everyone about the Tories plans. Tell your neighbor, your family, your friends, your enemies and even that special someone who you really like.

We will be responsible if the Tories get back in. We are the only guardians the disabled and poor have left. We are fighting the good fight but the forces of Evil are pushing for their final assault. They have left Mordor and are out right now in Middle Earth misleading human folk.

Should we rally and save the day?

Zero hundred and thirteen thousand?
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I do not want to sound judgmental but it is often the upper classes who say the country's not 'gone to ****'. Coming from an incredibly low income family myself, I can promise you that it is us who have been worst hit. The Conservatives have projected the image of growth and yes, some are feeling the benefit but unfortunately it is not those who need it who are feeling such benefit. This will always be the way of the Conservatives who are well known for allowing the rich to get richer at the expense of the poor getting poorer. Another five years of the Conservatives and for lower income families this may well actually ruin everything.
Yes,and the tories could have handled it better, but the recession could have been seriously mitigated had labor not been incompetent to the point of hilarity. Any economic plan always hurts the poor the most, there is simply no system that benefits the poor more than the rich. And before you say; just tax the rich. It is not that simple, taxing the rich works up until a point where incentive reduces to a point that long term revenue and GDP actually decreases as a function of increasing tax. In other words, tax the rich sounds nice in theory, but in practice, all it means is that the government gets less revenue in the long term, and the poor get poorer, wheres ironically the rich could ride it out.

You might think things are bad now, but if labour is voted back in then it will get much much worse. Another 5 years of the Tories would slowly (slower than it has to be admitadely) get the economy back on its feet benefiting everyone. Five years of Labour and I pity the poor sods that have to clear up the mess in 2020.
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If you vote conservative, you are supporting and helping a party that are killing of our most vulnerable and disabled people in the most inhumane ways possible. If every person voting in this election knew and understood how the tories policies on the disabled and sick have lead to so many deaths and unimaginable suffering i dont think more than 5% of the country would vote for them. Please don't be willfully ignorant, vote responsibly

If i didn't have first hand experience, i don't think I would believe it.
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You have to be quite f***ed in the head and lacking any reasonable degree of argument or viable policies to even try to associate the Conservative party with a WW2 nazi concentration camp.
The tories have a lot of blood on their hands.. there are very real and damning effects behind the policies and harmless looking statistics. The hyperbole in that image is is far far less than you could imagine sadly
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If you vote conservative, you are supporting and helping a party that are killing of our most vulnerable and disabled people in the most inhumane ways possible. If every person voting in this election knew and understood how the tories policies on the disabled and sick have lead to so many deaths and unimaginable suffering i dont think more than 5% of the country would vote for them. Please don't be willfully ignorant, vote responsibly

If i didn't have first hand experience, i don't think I would believe it.
You are being melodramatic, there is no perfect system that can magically vanish poverty, it is naive to think there is. I can't believe how short people's memories are, although this is a forum frequented by the very young. The last labour government under brown completely ruined the economy, to the extent that when the inevitable recession came, we were hard hit. This included running a deficit during a boom period, which Kenysians,monetarists and A level economics students alike know is like driving off a cliff. Obviously while we are in boom period, the effects are hidden, but as soon as the downturn arrived, the deficit manifested itself in the massive deficit that we now are saddeled with which is labour's fault, not the tories. The tories have some very difficult choices to make, they can either go with austerity policies and try to reduce the debt, or they can try to stimulate the economy and risk ending up like Greece. The scariest thing is Labour still don't think they did anything wrong, if you want all this to happen again vote labor.

"No return to boom and bust" - Gordan Brown
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Maybe if you'd read what I said in context, rather than jumping to your position of tory party mouthpiece, you'd understand.
I don't think either should have to give up work. I was making a point that if conservative voters aren't happy about the tax payer then paying for wages then you really should ask your tory mps to give their tax payer salary back.

Get the money from tax avoidance and we'll have no need for such savage cuts.
Naive. Its all very well saying "get money from tax avoidance", but how do you propose to do this? The bureaucracy required to prevent forms of tax avoidance would probably cost more than the tax avoidance itself, and it wouldn't work, its always possible to find loop holes.

Although you could *reduce* tax avoidance considerably by lowering taxes, that would deincentivice it, but no one want's to hear that. Bottom line is, its true.
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You are being melodramatic, there is no perfect system that can magically vanish poverty, it is naive to think there is. I can't believe how short people's memories are, although this is a forum frequented by the very young. The last labour government under brown completely ruined the economy, to the extent that when the inevitable recession came, we were hard hit. This included running a deficit during a boom period, which Kenysians,monetarists and A level economics students alike know is like driving off a cliff. Obviously while we are in boom period, the effects are hidden, but as soon as the downturn arrived, the deficit manifested itself in the massive deficit that we now are saddeled with which is labour's fault, not the tories. The tories have some very difficult choices to make, they can either go with austerity policies and try to reduce the debt, or they can try to stimulate the economy and risk ending up like Greece. The scariest thing is Labour still don't think they did anything wrong, if you want all this to happen again vote labor.

"No return to boom and bust" - Gordan Brown
Melodramatic?? OH lord you have no idea. Im not talking about poverty?? Im talking about people who cannot work through illness and disability, the most unfortunate in our society, the people who rely on government support to not die..

Do you think that because we need to save money, we should cut of sick and disabled peoples money when they cannot work leaving them penniless and destitute?
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The tories have a lot of blood on their hands.. there are very real and damning effects behind the policies and harmless looking statistics. The hyperbole in that image is is far far less than you could imagine sadly
Damning and homeless effects such as a growing economy and the highest employement rate of the history of the UK ?
When you say the hyoerbole is less than I could imagine. Do you mean a sub set of society is finally working?
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Melodramatic?? OH lord you have no idea. Im not talking about poverty?? Im talking about people who cannot work through illness and disability, the most unfortunate in our society, the people who rely on government support to not die..

Do you think that because we need to save money, we should cut of sick and disabled peoples money when they cannot work leaving them penniless and destitute?
We have a poster on here called illegal to be poor. Apparently he works part time as an investment baker earning £140k a year who fights for th rights of the disabled whilst only being mildly dyslexic.

You'll not have wait too long until disabled people come on line to tell him to shut up.
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(Original post by Betelgeuse-)
Melodramatic?? OH lord you have no idea. Im not talking about poverty?? Im talking about people who cannot work through illness and disability, the most unfortunate in our society, the people who rely on government support to not die..

Do you think that because we need to save money, we should cut of sick and disabled peoples money when they cannot work leaving them penniless and destitute?
No, and you are going to have to elaborate on the policy you are talking about. Regardless, under labour it would still be worse, so what's your solution?
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Damning and homeless effects such as a growing economy and the highest employement rate of the history of the UK ?
When you say the hyoerbole is less than I could imagine. Do you mean a sub set of society is finally working?
Highest employment rate in society means jack all when the figures consist of people working 3 hours a week. Lets give everybody a zero hour contract, pay them £1 an hour and give them 1 hour work a week...

Oh look every single person in the country is EMPLOYED WE MUST BE DOING AMAZING RIGHT!

You are either ignorant or immoral and deceitful.. neither is good
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We have a poster on here called illegal to be poor. Apparently he works part time as an investment baker earning £140k a year who fights for th rights of the disabled whilst only being mildly dyslexic.

You'll not have wait too long until disabled people come on line to tell him to shut up.
Ok, i dont understand what this means

(Original post by QuantumOverlord)
No, and you are going to have to elaborate on the policy you are talking about. Regardless, under labour it would still be worse, so what's your solution?
Which policy? How under labour would it be worse if you dont know which policy im talking about?
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