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    (Original post by Illiberal Liberal)
    No it wouldn't, you would be free to wear the burka in "their country" too.
    I'm starting to think you have some kind of obsession, with me considering the amount of times I've seen you pop up in my notifications within the past couple weeks.


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    (Original post by Illiberal Liberal)
    Think of me as a fly.

    Remind me what it is that attracts flies...?
    Are you still here ...


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    (Original post by tazarooni89)
    It may not need to be written down as such. But you're still saying that a surgeon wearing a face mask, other than at at the specific time when its needed, is not acceptable right?
    Yes
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    Lord. Am I the only one who just thought .... Muslim men don't wear full face veils and Muslim women are not going to treat me, they are stay at home moms :dong: I feel like the question is barely applicable to real life..
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Yes
    Great username
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    (Original post by VV Cephei A)
    Great username
    You're bigger though.
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    (Original post by driftawaay)
    Lord. Am I the only one who just thought .... Muslim men don't wear full face veils and Muslim women are not going to treat me, they are stay at home moms :dong: I feel like the question is barely applicable to real life..
    You also have some female proselytes who will do anything to impose their burqa.
    Read this story:
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/niqa...nies-1.3227398
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    (Original post by saxsan4)
    Watch this for some context also

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnv230hb-Wg
    No they should be banned full stop


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    (Original post by tazarooni89)
    I don't think this matters. The question is whether or not there should be a formal rule requiring them not to wear the mask at those times.
    There doesn't need to be. I can't imagine the NHS allows the use of its property to make either fashion statements or declarations of superstitious belief, and only allows masks to be worn for the purpose they were intended.

    Hospitals already mandate short-sleeved scrubs for reasons of hygiene, and veils are an obvious barrier to good communication. If my doctor turned up wearing a veil I would decline to be interviewed and, I imagine either she would discard it or my entire stay in hospital would be cancelled and there would be a furore.

    Fortunately, the doctors treating me have never exhibited such rabid superstitious behaviour. One presumes that those that would want to are not in the profession as it would involve being in the unchaperoned presence of men too often.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    There doesn't need to be. I can't imagine the NHS allows the use of its property to make either fashion statements or declarations of superstitious belief, and only allows masks to be worn for the purpose they were intended.

    Hospitals already mandate short-sleeved scrubs for reasons of hygiene, and veils are an obvious barrier to good communication. If my doctor turned up wearing a veil I would decline to be interviewed and, I imagine either she would discard it or my entire stay in hospital would be cancelled and there would be a furore.

    Fortunately, the doctors treating me have never exhibited such rabid superstitious behaviour. One presumes that those that would want to are not in the profession as it would involve being in the unchaperoned presence of men too often.
    If this means there doesn't need to be a rule to prevent doctors from wearing surgical masks when it's not appropriate, why not do the same with veils, and leave it to their own professional discretion?
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Yes
    Great. And it makes sense that you think the same about veils as well. Do you believe for veils though, that there needs to be a formal, written rule in place? Or can it be treated the same as a surgical mask, on the basis of the doctor's common sense and professional judgement?
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    (Original post by tazarooni89)
    If this means there doesn't need to be a rule to prevent doctors from wearing surgical masks when it's not appropriate, why not do the same with veils, and leave it to their own professional discretion?
    Because as we have already agreed professional discretion is based on the
    concencus and the concencus is against covering
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    (Original post by tazarooni89)
    If this means there doesn't need to be a rule to prevent doctors from wearing surgical masks when it's not appropriate, why not do the same with veils, and leave it to their own professional discretion?
    This thread doesn't argue that there should be a formal rule. It asks people whether they think doctors should wear veils, as did the video question. The strong consensus appears to be that they should not, and for good reasons. In all probability doctors have more sense than Moslem veil wearers (who are, after all, generally more superstitious, repressed and backward-looking women who have failed to integrate into the society they are living in) and a rule is not needed. If some started to try and make a religious or political point by wearing veils, then a rule against it would be necessary and reasonable.
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    It wouldn't bother me in the slightest on the NHS.

    However if I was going private it might irk me and I'd possibly choose another doctor unless it turned out that they are a leading specialist of course.

    Not sure why though.
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    (Original post by Illiberal Liberal)
    Think of me as a fly.

    Remind me what it is that attracts flies...?
    Omg :rofl:
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    They should be banned full stop, fed up of seeing them
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    (Original post by VV Cephei A)
    Great username
    And you
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I agree with elliemayxo, covering the face with a veil in nearly all public environments is a barrier to social interaction, and a security risk in the same way the wearing of a balaclava is. I believe a banning of face coverings has nothing to do with tolerance, respect for other religions, or being a xenophobe, it is about wanting to create a secure society. There are no grounds for denying full-face coverings are not a security risk when terror suspects have escaped wearing a burqa, committed robbery wearing a burqa as a disguise, and the balaclava is widely associated with criminal activity. Her final comment holds true, when in a country of people that do not regularly cover their full faces in public, doing so is a barrier that prevents full integration with that society; fitting in with the majority by adopting the same dress culture is away of promoting social cohesion.
    The threat to security due to wearing a veil can be mitigated if in public institutions, security checks were employed to ensure that people wearing a veil entering the institution are "safe". The veil should not be banned as people are free to wear whatever they want, but businesses and institutions such as universities and banks should have the complete freedom of deciding wether or not a veil is allowed in their buildings. However, such institutions should be forced to accept people wearing veils given that such people would allow themselves to be identified in any other way, getting checked by a security officer as they go in and out of the building for instance.
    If veil-wearing citizens show their sincerity in obeying the law by obeying security checks and what not, why force them to do something against their will if it's not hurting anybody?
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    Full face veils and headscarves should be banned all across the country, in all public places, especially in hospitals. It's very intimidating and frightening. They pose a serious security threat and it just looks horrible.
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    (Original post by oShahpo)
    The threat to security due to wearing a veil can be mitigated if in public institutions, security checks were employed to ensure that people wearing a veil entering the institution are "safe". The veil should not be banned as people are free to wear whatever they want, but businesses and institutions such as universities and banks should have the complete freedom of deciding wether or not a veil is allowed in their buildings. However, such institutions should be forced to accept people wearing veils given that such people would allow themselves to be identified in any other way, getting checked by a security officer as they go in and out of the building for instance.
    If veil-wearing citizens show their sincerity in obeying the law by obeying security checks and what not, why force them to do something against their will if it's not hurting anybody?
    It is impractical to have security checks at all hospital, all schools, all train stations, all banks, all jewellers, and all other places where robbery or the security risk is high. It is a nice thought to walk around in any clothing but in the current climate where the threat level is severe it is better to impose a ban on all face coverings which is easier to police.
 
 
 
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