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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    We're heading out and will soon be led by Boris Johnson. Your dream of 'freedom' will hand a very right wing neoliberal Tory government more power- the very thing you claim to oppose.

    And you're naive if you think for one second that they'd actually reduce immigration.
    How many times do I have to tell you I am not deciding the future of this country based on the next 2/3 years of government. It simply does not feature in the mind of anyone with perspective on what matters. If you have to vote for token measures based on your worry over of staving off the worst of 3 years of government, surely it is obvious you are in a pretty woeful state anyhow. That paradigm is not one worth a penny or worth protecting.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    How many times do I have to tell you I am not deciding the future of this country based on the next 2/3 years of government.
    You should. Because if Boris and pals get in, there won't be much country to look forward to once they have finished wrecking the place. Obviously, they and their millionaire pals will be fine, but the rest of us?
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    You should. Because if Boris and pals get in, there won't be much country to look forward to once they have finished wrecking the place. Obviously, they and their millionaire pals will be fine, but the rest of us?
    You need to be sectioned...
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    How many times do I have to tell you I am not deciding the future of this country based on the next 2/3 years of government. It simply does not feature in the mind of anyone with perspective on what matters. If you have to vote for token measures based on your worry over of staving off the worst of 3 years of government, surely it is obvious you are in a pretty woeful state anyhow. That paradigm is not one worth a penny or worth protecting.
    Of course it is. With Jeremy Corbyn a labour leader and the far left wielding so much control of labour, it means at least 10-15 years of conservatives. I'd rather not be led by the furthest right wing government in a generation.


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    You need to be sectioned...
    And you need to give your head a wobble if you're left wing and want brexit.

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    (Original post by EuanF)
    You need to be sectioned...
    Ha! That is the sort of response someone who has lost the argument gives.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Ha! That is the sort of response someone who has lost the argument gives.
    It's really not worth dignifying the rhetoric that Boris Johnson is in fact a sith lord in disguise, just waiting for the opportunity to sell the entire country and make a break for Luxembourg...
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    You should. Because if Boris and pals get in, there won't be much country to look forward to once they have finished wrecking the place. Obviously, they and their millionaire pals will be fine, but the rest of us?
    Remaining in the EU is worser than having Boris and his pals in control.
    The EU have been ripping us off for a very long time. If we leave, we can keep our money and reach our potential.



    Look at the expensive EU office buildings in this video. They take our money and spend it on themselves. They are rich as ****, and UK is struggling.
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    Look at the expensive EU office buildings in this video. They take our money and spend it on themselves. They are rich as ****, and UK is struggling.
    Ha - that is hilarious. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You do know our own democratically elected parliamentarians have signed off a £7 billion refurbishment programme for Westminster Palace don't you?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6872141.html

    If ever there was a waste of money it is that. Why we can't build a shed in Slough to house them and shove a tarp over the roof of Westminster Palace I don't know?
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Ha - that is hilarious. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You do know our own democratically elected parliamentarians have signed off a £7 billion refurbishment programme for Westminster Palace don't you?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6872141.html

    If ever there was a waste of money it is that. Why we can't build a shed in Slough to house them and shove a tarp over the roof of Westminster Palace I don't know?
    That parliament refurbishment is not a waste of money. It is needed and beneficial for our own government.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    That parliament refurbishment is not a waste of money. It is needed and beneficial for our own government.
    Agreed. But they don't have to live in Westminster Palace, a building widely recognised as unfit for modern day purpose. In fact, many of the MPs don't even have an office there because it isn't big enough and reside over the road. The thinking man's answer would be to build a new Parliament building elsewhere that is fit for the modern world, not cling to some Gothic indulgence of the early Victorians. Just for a bit of perspective, the BBC built and moved to their Salford base for £233 million. And you think £7 billion is worth spending on restoring a building that doesn't even serve those who use it?
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Agreed. But they don't have to live in Westminster Palace, a building widely recognised as unfit for modern day purpose. In fact, many of the MPs don't even have an office there because it isn't big enough and reside over the road. The thinking man's answer would be to build a new Parliament building elsewhere that is fit for the modern world, not cling to some Gothic indulgence of the early Victorians. Just for a bit of perspective, the BBC built and moved to their Salford base for £233 million. And you think £7 billion is worth spending on restoring a building that doesn't even serve those who use it?
    Are you suggesting we let the palaces of Westminster collapse, because that's ultimately what you're advocating if saying that we should not maintain them?

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    Are you suggesting we let the palaces of Westminster collapse, because that's ultimately what you're advocating if saying that we should not maintain them?

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    No. If someone wants to restore the palace and charge entry to willing tourists, that is one thing. But as a building it is no longer fit for purpose. It isn't big enough. There is no wifi is certain spots. It simply doesn't work anymore.
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    No. If someone wants to restore the palace and charge entry to willing tourists, that is one thing. But as a building it is no longer fit for purpose. It isn't big enough. There is no wifi is certain spots. It simply doesn't work anymore.
    WiFi is the be all and end all?

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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Of course it is. With Jeremy Corbyn a labour leader and the far left wielding so much control of labour, it means at least 10-15 years of conservatives. I'd rather not be led by the furthest right wing government in a generation.


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    And with Blair a Labour leader you get economics to the right of Thatcher, only his 'third way' also gives you an all powerful, stifling state that is obsessed with micromanagement. The worst of both worlds. The people in the Labour party who want the same inequality and lack of mobility as the Tories, the biggest enemies to choice and democracy in this country. But anyhow, all this misses the wider point, it really simple, whatever side you are on, to base a vote on three years of government is utterly stupid. If you really had a positive pro-EU case long term, I'd listen more. Truth is there isn't one, just misers and authoritarians hoping to scare people into thing they won't get their token 'progressive' crumbs tossed to the ground for them, as if the shitness of what will persist anyway is worth preserving, as if voting for no democracy long term, no ability to make our own trading relationships is the only choice of a rational person. I have not heard a solitary positive argument from you, or anything suggests long term we'd be better off. Nothing, and you want to give our democracy away and pour money down a black hole to arrogant autocrats, another layer of oppressive 'government'
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    WiFi is the be all and end all?

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    Not if it costs £17 billion it isn't. But in a modern world, surely one would expect basic access to the internet in government? Not so in the Palace of Westminster.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Not if it costs £17 billion it isn't. But in a modern world, surely one would expect basic access to the internet in government? Not so in the Palace of Westminster.
    Next you'll be saying it will cost a trillion, you kindly forget the time span we're talking about, we're talking about upkeep costs of less than £200m per annum, and the only articles I can find on the wifi coverage are 10 years old and cite security reasons.
 
 
 
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