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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    But as said, the argument made is very much a case of ad hoc ergo propter hoc; implicity we get "the eu caused the UK to grow faster than the us" based on the last 15 years

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    Nope.

    The argument could just as easily be that UK did well despite the "terrible" EU.

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    (Original post by jneill)
    Nope.

    The argument could just as easily be that UK did well despite the "terrible" EU.

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    (Original post by jneill)
    Nope.

    The argument could just as easily be that UK did well despite the "terrible" EU.

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    The point is you are only showing data from 1973 when we joined the EU. We do not know how Uk growth looked like pre-joining the EU so you cannot make a conclusion without providing that data
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    (Original post by pereira325)
    The point is you are only showing data from 1973 when we joined the EU. We do not know how Uk growth looked like pre-joining the EU so you cannot make a conclusion without providing that data
    Why's it relevant - the argument is that being in the EU is bad. The data shows it wasn't. Anyway since 1700 good enough for you?

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    (Original post by pereira325)
    The point is you are only showing data from 1973 when we joined the EU. We do not know how Uk growth looked like pre-joining the EU so you cannot make a conclusion without providing that data
    Or just consider the last 100 years. And this one looks like UK had faster growth during the EU years...

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    I will be voting leave, but I don't think we actually will.
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    (Original post by XcitingStuart)
    So the EU protects EU trade by placing tariffs on non-EU goods, driving down competition, increasing monopolies.

    This has increased food prices for us.
    (Read on "Common External Tariff".)

    Also our inability to set our own tariffs is helping to destroy our steel industry. China has a surplus of steel, and is selling it ridiculously cheep.

    EU has only a 9% tariff on Chinese steel, as opposed to the US with a 255% tariff (I think?)(Sorry if slightly inaccurate; off the top of my head.)

    So our steel industry simply can't compete; no one's buying from them.

    Sorry my arguments lack structure; I'm on a schedule and writing in a stream of consciousness type of style.

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    Brexiters want both tariff free trade and tariffs. A bit contradictory and unworkable I think.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    Brexiters want both tariff free trade and tariffs. A bit contradictory and unworkable I think.
    Isn't it more "free to set your own tariffs"?

    That's not unworkable.

    e.g. we could increase the tariff on the dumped Chinese steel to sth more sensible than 9%.
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    (Original post by XcitingStuart)
    Isn't it more "free to set your own tariffs"?

    That's not unworkable.

    e.g. we could increase the tariff on the dumped Chinese steel to sth more sensible than 9%.
    Except we wouldn't. Given that the government has refused to implement the EU tariffs on China.
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    (Original post by XcitingStuart)
    Isn't it more "free to set your own tariffs"?

    That's not unworkable.

    e.g. we could increase the tariff on the dumped Chinese steel to sth more sensible than 9%.
    It physically pains me how naïve you are.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Why's it relevant - the argument is that being in the EU is bad. The data shows it wasn't. Anyway since 1700 good enough for you?

    One can never make a true analysis, doing so would require knowing what would have happened if the thing being observed were different.

    (Original post by jneill)
    Or just consider the last 100 years. And this one looks like UK had faster growth during the EU years...

    Compound effect would do that, take the derivative of the curve and, shocks aside, it should be roughly linear.

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    (Original post by jneill)
    Britain's economy has outperformed USA since we joined the EU in 1973

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    france is in the EU too, yet they're not doing better...? :hello:
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    france is in the EU too, yet they're not doing better...? :hello:
    So?

    This is about the UK.


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    (Original post by jneill)
    So?

    This is about the UK.


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    ...what? you can't just ignore the fact that your argument doesn't work when applied to other EU countries, because your argument was that the UK is doing better *because* of the EU - why isn't france doing better because of the EU, then? and if you're going to say "well france is less capitalist" (a non-EU factor), why can't others refer to non-EU factors for the UK's growth? I don't understand how you can justify that kind of contradiction
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    (Original post by XcitingStuart)
    Isn't it more "free to set your own tariffs"?

    That's not unworkable.

    e.g. we could increase the tariff on the dumped Chinese steel to sth more sensible than 9%.
    And China will retaliate by reducing investment in the UK.
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    I think we should stay, because it would take decades to get back the connections we will lose....also...you'd have to get a visa to go Ibiza.
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    (Original post by Trill)
    I think we should stay, because it would take decades to get back the connections we will lose....also...you'd have to get a visa to go Ibiza.
    Why and why?

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    (Original post by XcitingStuart)
    Isn't it more "free to set your own tariffs"?

    That's not unworkable.

    e.g. we could increase the tariff on the dumped Chinese steel to sth more sensible than 9%.
    It's not that simple, the WTO is a thing

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    Except we wouldn't. Given that the government has refused to implement the EU tariffs on China.
    One step at a time. Let's get out of Europe THEN get rid of this Government.

    And remember the next Government we elect would actually be sovereign. Not like the ones we have had since Thatcher which bend over and take it up the rear from Brussels and the Franco-German axis.

    Whilst in the EU there is NO chance to save our steel industry. Says it all really.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Why and why?

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    For the same reason Scotland didn't leave, because we would have to establish ourselves as truly independent from the union. Then renegotiate things from trade to travel with the countries. It has been hypothesised that the latter could take up 10 to 15 years.
 
 
 
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