June 24th: 'UK Independence Day'. The People of Great Britain Have Spoken. Now What?

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    The independence of United England and Wales you mean...
    How's that Scottish Referendum worked/working out for you, pray tell?
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    (Original post by Gora The Xplorer)
    without net contributions from the UK it will be very difficult for NI or Scotland to join given the London subsidises both of those colonies they would lose if they attempt to breakaway
    True. The low oil price has also put a dampener on Operation Scottie Freedom. Plus Spain have ostensively ruled out any band of Scots separatists joining (due to domestic concerns about their own merry band of separatist rebels) :horse:
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    True. The low oil price has also put a dampener on Operation Scottie Freedom. Plus Spain have ostensively ruled out any band of Scots separatists joining (due to domestic concerns about their own merry band of separatist rebels) :horse:
    When? They said if the UK leaves, Scotland leaves; ruling out the pie in the sky idea of little England ****ing off over the precipice while Scotland and NI remain. Besides, provided Scotland go through it via indyref2 rather than declaring unilaterally, it means nothing for the Catalans or basques, given Spains constitution prevents independence referendums for those regions, who'd have to declare independence unilaterally. Scotland seceding by Westminster doesn't give Spain any problems.


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    There's a desperate need for common sense, rationale thought and for people to take a step back and breathe. There's far too little of it on this site
    Indeed so. In some respects the site is less knee-jerk reactionary 'progressive' than it was back in the day, but if nothing else the EUref has shown a great many sheeple here/in the UK lack composure when exposed to doom and gloom propaganda. Funny to think this is a country that battled through two world wars and toughed out the Great Depression. Brits are supposed to have backbone! :horse:
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    Now is not a time for puerile/jubilant triumphalism. Instead, we must focus on dampening the fires of hysteria, restoring confidence, reuniting the nation behind a positive vision of a prosperous future UK, and collectively taking the country forward in a calm, considered, and responsible spirit

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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Indeed so. In some respects the site is less knee-jerk reactionary 'progressive' than it was back in the day, but if nothing else the EUref has shown a great many sheeple here/in the UK lack composure when exposed to doom and gloom propaganda. Funny to think this is a country that battled through two world wars and toughed out the Great Depression. Brits are supposed to have backbone! :horse:
    So our benchmarks for how much we should tolerate challenging circumstances without dissent are periods of time during which UK world trade halved and 1% to 2% of the population was killed?

    No wonder you've always been so blasé about the consquences of Brexit!
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    So our benchmarks for how much we should tolerate challenging circumstances without dissent are periods of time during which UK world trade halved and 1% to 2% of the population was killed?

    No wonder you've always been so blasé about the consquences of Brexit!
    It's all going to be fine. Two years of possible uncertainty then far better for us than the in the Communist- sorry European- Union
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    It's all going to be fine. Two years of possible uncertainty then far better for us than the in the Communist- sorry European- Union
    So, please do elaborate how you think it'll be better in two years' time.

    Because people seem to have heard this once and keep repeating it. Go on, explain.

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    For a start we will be making new trade deals for businesses as countries are already queuing up to sign them with us (New Zealand, Australia, USA (if Donald wins))

    Unlike the EU who allows less than 1% of its population to veto a 7 year deal.

    Then our business will start to be freed from Eurocratic red tape if they aren't trading with Europe.

    And if the EU bureaucrats decide to impose tariffs, we will get companies moving to the UK (considering our huge trade deficit with them)



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    So, please do elaborate how you think it'll be better in two years' time.

    Because people seem to have heard this once and keep repeating it. Go on, explain.

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    June 23rd is Independence Day, my main man Farage said so.
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    For a start we will be making new trade deals for businesses as countries are already queuing up to sign them with us (New Zealand, Australia, USA (if Donald wins))

    Unlike the EU who allows less than 1% of its population to veto a 7 year deal.

    Then our business will start to be freed from Eurocratic red tape if they aren't trading with Europe.

    And if the EU bureaucrats decide to impose tariffs, we will get companies moving to the UK (considering our huge trade deficit with them)

    Delusional.

    All three of Australia,New Zealand and USA rejected requests to talk on the deals before exiting the EU. Australia has said in fact that it will first finalise a deal with the EU before doing so with the UK. 'Queing up'- lol.

    But, what is mind-bobbling is that you use these potential deals as a reason to leave the EU when the UK already has them due to the EU.

    Yes, because companies will choose a comparatively small economy over a huge one because... Reasons. And a trade deficit counts against the country, not in its favour jeez.

    Logiked. See... Current Democracy is flawed precisely because people like you are allowed to vote.

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    I was so happy when brexit was decided; change is good 😇


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    (Original post by _Fergo)
    Delusional.

    All three of Australia,New Zealand and USA rejected requests to talk on the deals before exiting the EU. Australia has said in fact that it will first finalise a deal with the EU before doing so with the UK. 'Queing up'- lol.

    But, what is mind-bobbling is that you use these potential deals as a reason to leave the EU when the UK already has them due to the EU.

    Yes, because companies will choose a small economy over a huge one because... Reasons.

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    You really have no idea of the facts or what you are talking about. the EU has no decent trade deal with the US, China, now Canada and prevents nation states making any of these.

    New Zealand and Australia have both called for a free trade deal the day we leave the EU so get your facts right. The reason we can't make it before leaving is because our real rulers in Brussels and Strasbourg don't allow it.

    But the best reason for leaving is to say no to an anti-democracy superstate who rejects its own people's voice and is creating a dangerous army while the people suffer from poverty under the euro
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    You really have no idea of the facts or what you are talking about. the EU has no decent trade deal with the US, China, now Canada and prevents nation states making any of these.

    New Zealand and Australia have both called for a free trade deal the day we leave the EU so get your facts right. The reason we can't make it before leaving is because our real rulers in Brussels and Strasbourg don't allow it.

    But the best reason for leaving is to say no to an anti-democracy superstate who rejects its own people's voice and is creating a dangerous army while the people suffer from poverty under the euro
    Only it does have a decent trade deal - better than the UK will have for at least 15 years to come.

    No, they didn't. They called for a discussion. And Australia specified it will prioritise the EU. Discussions on trade deals take many years. Usually 8-10 minimum.

    But, how is it undemocratic when a small region can block a trade deal? And how is the UK democratic when the government refuses to let Parliament debate on the terms?

    The major institutions of the EU, namely the Parliament and the Council, are made of directly elected representatives. The Commission is made of appointed representatives, much like the ministers. How is this undemocratic?

    So, before telling me to check my facts, do please check the basics.

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    Only it does have a decent trade deal - better than the UK will have for at least 15 years to come.

    No, they didn't. They called for a discussion. And Australia specified it will prioritise the EU. Discussions on trade deals take many years. Usually 8-10 minimum.

    But, how is it undemocratic when a small region can block a trade deal? And how is the UK democratic when the government refuses to let Parliament debate on the terms?

    The major institutions of the EU, namely the Parliament and the Council, are made of directly elected representatives. The Commission is made of appointed representatives, much like the ministers. How is this undemocratic?

    So, before telling me to check my facts, do please check the basics.

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    'How is it undemocratic when a small region block a trade deal?'
    Because 3million winning over 500million defeats the whole idea of democratic majority.

    And how is the UK democratic when the government refuses to let Parliament debate on the terms

    Because parliament has been giving away UK citizens democratic rights for 30 years. MPs are there to represent the people except in this case there was a referendum (in which both sides were clear on brexit meaning leaving single market etc) so they need to deliver that

    Trade deals will be done. by the 2020 election for sure, hopefully with the Commonwealth which we shamefully abandoned while Joining the EEC.
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    My dear fellow Brexiters, let us remind ourselves that we did it!


    June 23rd should now be christened as United Kingdom's Independence Day.

    They laughed at us when we told them that
    • Brexit would emerge victorious
    • Cameron would step down as Prime Minister soon after
    • Boris or someone of similar ilk would eventually be installed as the PM (although he doesn't stand for anything apart from 'Boris Bikes', has no sense of originality, parrots whatever Nigel Farage says etc)
    Guess who's laughing now?

    I hope all of you reading my post, bears this in mind. A country's sovereignty, security and safety of its citizens is so important.

    Millions of British soldiers have died in several wars over the centuries to protect Queen and country. But Tony Blair let these millions of soldiers died in vain because when he was in power for 10 years or so as the Prime Minister of UK, he allowed virtually everyone to enter the UK
    • without checking if they are holding genuine passports
    • without checking if they have links to terrorist groups
    • without checking if they have criminal records in their home countries
    • without checking if they have genuine educational qualifications or a trade skill to bring to UK
    • without checking if they have HIV/AIDS
    Someone recently asked me why should people wanting to enter into another country, be checked for HIV/AIDS? This is because the government owes a duty to its citizens to protect them from people who may want to infect others with their communicable diseases. This is an extension of a 'social contract theory'.

    With Brexit and with the right PM & ministers, the days are numbered where
    • vile people can simply come into UK, form grooming gangs to sexually molest, rape & even murder innocent girls and then disappear
    • doctors with fake medical certs can perform operations that results in patient deaths and then disappear
    • unskilled workers, migrants etc from all over the world can take a plane to London Heathrow, get council homes, receive monetary benefits and start large families without doing any proper work to the cost of the ever-obliging & obedient British taxpayer
    • people can fly to London, receive medical treatment or go into labour and then return back to their home countries without footing the bill
    • terrorists can walk into UK, go to enclaves, promote ill-will and hatred against other races and religions, orchestrate attacks and then disappear without a trace
    With Brexit and with the right PM & ministers, we must
    1. first confer real powers on Immigration officers stationed at all points of entry into UK, to conduct checks on people wanting to enter UK.
    2. With the exit and entry points secured, the new PM must sanction a joint task force operation between the (much publicized failed & powerless) Border Agency and Police forces, go into every borough and check for illegal immigrants (overstayers without valid visas), people with invalid/fake papers and without work permits, those who're wanted by the police or have jumped bail and round them up to be dealt with accordingly.
    3. Provide extra funding to the General Medical Council (GMC) and empower them to conduct checks on foreign doctors and identify those with dubious qualifications and report them to the Police

      For (2) and (3), detain the identified wrongdoers for 48 hours for initial investigations, allow the police to apply for an extension of remand to assist with further police investigations, accelerate their date with the court, provide them with legal counsel of their choice or otherwise and let the criminal justice system take its course. If they are found guilty, they will serve their sentence and upon release, be immediately deported to their home countries and never allowed to step foot into UK again.
    4. Construct a processing centre to be located overseas which will evaluate and process all asylum claims etc. People need to know that they can't just turn up at the door and be expected to be let in.

      When thousands of illegal immigrants attempted to enter Australia by sea via Indonesia with the aid of people smugglers, PM Toby Abbott politely warned them that if they continued this mode of entry, their boats would be shot down. They thought he was joking. He wasn't. The Australian Navy did shoot at them and these boats stopped entering Australian waters altogether.
    5. Implement an Australian styled points system where people from all over the world with the necessary skills & qualifications, no criminal records, no terrorists links, no HIV/AIDS will be invited to apply for a work permit. But this is only to be done after job openings have been filled up by British citizens first and if there are vacant places, these will then be filled up by foreigners who would have passed the stringent background checks.
    The £350 million we send to EU weekly, can now be used to invest in our NHS, build more hospitals, recruit more police officers, teachers, nurses, junior doctors etc and increase their salaries, give incentives (funding, tax breaks) to British citizens to start their own businesses (entrepreneurship) and so much more because the positive possibilities are endless.

    We can and we will do it because we dared to dream!
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    In recent weeks, we have seen several EU students on the Oxbridge and London unis threads in this forum say something to the effect that
    • they couldn't care less about Brexit
    • all they care about is receiving funding and loans so that they can pursue their studies in UK
    • their teachers have told them that UK's government are so slow to effect any change it would take forever to implement them
    So you must be wondering whats wrong with EU students wanting to study in UK? Well, a growing number of these EU students simply take up loans, one after another and then disappear after they've completed their studies without repaying the loans.

    The British government has to write off these debts. It's been reported several times and it's about time UK puts her foot down and prioritize UK students first.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672...g-tuition-fees
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...ing-loans.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...pay-debts.html

    You will be pleased to know that I took screenshots of those replies of these selfish EU students and have emailed them to Oxford, Cambridge and the five london universities. Let these admission tutors know what is really happening on the ground. They are smart people and I am certain that in future, they will factor in this reality when deciding who to make offers to.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37786467

    '"There is little evidence of a pronounced effect in the immediate aftermath of the vote," the ONS said.'

    Looks like the 17 million leave voters had more sense than the OECD, World Bank, virtually every economist, George Osbourne, David Cameron and everyone else who threatened us for voting for independence.
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    (Original post by Audrey18)
    My dear fellow Brexiters, let us remind ourselves that we did it!


    June 23rd should now be christened as United Kingdom's Independence Day.

    They laughed at us when we told them that
    • Brexit would emerge victorious
    • Cameron would step down as Prime Minister soon after
    • Boris or someone of similar ilk would eventually be installed as the PM (although he doesn't stand for anything apart from 'Boris Bikes', has no sense of originality, parrots whatever Nigel Farage says etc)
    Guess who's laughing now?

    I hope all of you reading my post, bears this in mind. A country's sovereignty, security and safety of its citizens is so important.

    Millions of British soldiers have died in several wars over the centuries to protect Queen and country. But Tony Blair let these millions of soldiers died in vain because when he was in power for 10 years or so as the Prime Minister of UK, he allowed virtually everyone to enter the UK
    • without checking if they are holding genuine passports
    • without checking if they have links to terrorist groups
    • without checking if they have criminal records in their home countries
    • without checking if they have genuine educational qualifications or a trade skill to bring to UK
    • without checking if they have HIV/AIDS
    Someone recently asked me why should people wanting to enter into another country, be checked for HIV/AIDS? This is because the government owes a duty to its citizens to protect them from people who may want to infect others with their communicable diseases. This is an extension of a 'social contract theory'.

    With Brexit and with the right PM & ministers, the days are numbered where
    • vile people can simply come into UK, form grooming gangs to sexually molest, rape & even murder innocent girls and then disappear
    • doctors with fake medical certs can perform operations that results in patient deaths and then disappear
    • unskilled workers, migrants etc from all over the world can take a plane to London Heathrow, get council homes, receive monetary benefits and start large families without doing any proper work to the cost of the ever-obliging & obedient British taxpayer
    • people can fly to London, receive medical treatment or go into labour and then return back to their home countries without footing the bill
    • terrorists can walk into UK, go to enclaves, promote ill-will and hatred against other races and religions, orchestrate attacks and then disappear without a trace
    With Brexit and with the right PM & ministers, we must
    1. first confer real powers on Immigration officers stationed at all points of entry into UK, to conduct checks on people wanting to enter UK.
    2. With the exit and entry points secured, the new PM must sanction a joint task force operation between the (much publicized failed & powerless) Border Agency and Police forces, go into every borough and check for illegal immigrants (overstayers without valid visas), people with invalid/fake papers and without work permits, those who're wanted by the police or have jumped bail and round them up to be dealt with accordingly.
    3. Provide extra funding to the General Medical Council (GMC) and empower them to conduct checks on foreign doctors and identify those with dubious qualifications and report them to the Police

      For (2) and (3), detain the identified wrongdoers for 48 hours for initial investigations, allow the police to apply for an extension of remand to assist with further police investigations, accelerate their date with the court, provide them with legal counsel of their choice or otherwise and let the criminal justice system take its course. If they are found guilty, they will serve their sentence and upon release, be immediately deported to their home countries and never allowed to step foot into UK again.
    4. Construct a processing centre to be located overseas which will evaluate and process all asylum claims etc. People need to know that they can't just turn up at the door and be expected to be let in.

      When thousands of illegal immigrants attempted to enter Australia by sea via Indonesia with the aid of people smugglers, PM Toby Abbott politely warned them that if they continued this mode of entry, their boats would be shot down. They thought he was joking. He wasn't. The Australian Navy did shoot at them and these boats stopped entering Australian waters altogether.
    5. Implement an Australian styled points system where people from all over the world with the necessary skills & qualifications, no criminal records, no terrorists links, no HIV/AIDS will be invited to apply for a work permit. But this is only to be done after job openings have been filled up by British citizens first and if there are vacant places, these will then be filled up by foreigners who would have passed the stringent background checks.
    The £350 million we send to EU weekly, can now be used to invest in our NHS, build more hospitals, recruit more police officers, teachers, nurses, junior doctors etc and increase their salaries, give incentives (funding, tax breaks) to British citizens to start their own businesses (entrepreneurship) and so much more because the positive possibilities are endless.

    We can and we will do it because we dared to dream!
    Spoiler:
    Show
    In recent weeks, we have seen several EU students on the Oxbridge and London unis threads in this forum say something to the effect that
    • they couldn't care less about Brexit
    • all they care about is receiving funding and loans so that they can pursue their studies in UK
    • their teachers have told them that UK's government are so slow to effect any change it would take forever to implement them
    So you must be wondering whats wrong with EU students wanting to study in UK? Well, a growing number of these EU students simply take up loans, one after another and then disappear after they've completed their studies without repaying the loans.

    The British government has to write off these debts. It's been reported several times and it's about time UK puts her foot down and prioritize UK students first.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672...g-tuition-fees
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...ing-loans.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...pay-debts.html

    You will be pleased to know that I took screenshots of those replies of these selfish EU students and have emailed them to Oxford, Cambridge and the five london universities. Let these admission tutors know what is really happening on the ground. They are smart people and I am certain that in future, they will factor in this reality when deciding who to make offers to.
    Oh you copied and pasted stuff again! How very surprising.

    And wtaf. Who on earth do you think you are? You know next to nothing about Oxbridge and other London universities (considering you were ranking London unis through one video). I doubt the unis will take your email seriously because they'll take applicants on ability, not their views on Brexit. So you totally wasted your time there.

    What these EU students think of Brexit is none of your business whatsoever. And it's great they won't let Brexit get in the way of their education. I'm sorry Audrey you never told us that you could see into the future and see how these EU students would go under the radar and not pay their loans back! Not even going to bother reading the Express but your Telegraph articles are over 3 years old and only a minority don't pay back their loans.


    You're just a bitter little girl who probably didn't get the grades to apply for Oxbridge or any decent London universities and puts others down to big herself up. I suggest you get your big head out of your ass and perhaps stay in your lane.


    Oh yeah and btw why do you say "Our NHS" and "We dared to dream?" You live in Germany. Are you a British citizen or not?
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    Oh you copied and pasted stuff again! How very surprising.

    And wtaf. Who on earth do you think you are? You know next to nothing about Oxbridge and other London universities (considering you were ranking London unis through one video). I doubt the unis will take your email seriously because they'll take applicants on ability, not their views on Brexit. So you totally wasted your time there.

    What these EU students think of Brexit is none of your business whatsoever. And it's great they won't let Brexit get in the way of their education. I'm sorry Audrey you never told us that you could see into the future and see how these EU students would go under the radar and not pay their loans back! Not even going to bother reading the Express but your Telegraph articles are over 3 years old and only a minority don't pay back their loans.


    You're just a bitter little girl who probably didn't get the grades to apply for Oxbridge or any decent London universities and puts others down to big herself up. I suggest you get your big head out of your ass and perhaps stay in your lane.


    Oh yeah and btw why do you say "Our NHS" and "We dared to dream?" You live in Germany. Are you a British citizen or not?
    Ah, you again.

    You've been wrong about so many things in the past. You also clearly lack originality cos you're always posting stuff on here from other online mediums without giving due credit to the source. You will do badly in uni when you have to hand in essays and dissertations.

    Good luck
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    (Original post by Audrey18)
    Ah, you again.

    You've been wrong about so many things in the past. You also clearly lack originality cos you're always posting stuff on here from other online mediums without giving due credit to the source. You will do badly in uni when you have to hand in essays and dissertations.

    Good luck
    And you completely dismiss all my counter arguments and resort to insults. Must really suck when you have nothing to fight with

    Oh yeah and for someone who claims to be an insufferable know it all, you always use the same "You lack originality" insult again. Ironic because you copy and paste the same thing over.

    Get a life sweetie.
 
 
 
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