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    (Original post by the bear)
    i am sure there are dodgy areas in Peking... we should be told before we visit.*
    we already are

    https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/china
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    none of this page suggests avoiding races
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    did they tell passengers where they can buy pirate copy dvds?
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    none of this page suggests avoiding races
    hard to do really given the homogeneous nature of China.

    But then the advice wasn't about avoiding races just areas were certain communities are dominant

    While you may accept the odd rape of a lone female or a robbery as being acceptable it seems some aren't and will take steps to negate the risk
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    none of this page suggests avoiding races
    You seem to judge the Chinese, their ways and morality purely through the eyes of a modern liberal, social justice campaigning, westerner. You must accept that they have not fallen foul of political correctness, and do not have such a concept as safe spaces (well, neither do we outside the cloistered world of the NUS), nor do they feel the need to hide their views as many westerners do.

    They are different.

    By the same token, many Middle Eastern countries don't permit many things that the western democracies think are essential.
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    I remember when I was about 10 years old, I was in central London with my grandparents and we needed directions. So I approached two women (who looking back must of been tourists), asking if they knew where a particular underground was. And they looked at me like I just threw acid in their faces and jogged away from me. I guess I have a better idea as to why they looked so scared when I spoke to them . I was so confused at the time though.
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    It's not just the Dalai Lama; we have huge issues with them regarding pretty much everything nowadays. From border disputes to the NSG etc.

    And as an Indian, I really wouldn't blame a publication if it said "Avoid this Indian area". And I say this with the utmost love for my country. But the fact is that the more established Indians in foreign countries acclimatize into the society. They live everywhere. The Indian areas have Indians from a specific part of India, who are your average immigrants living in developed countries. I wish I could say otherwise, but I've been in uni for 2 months. I've experienced more hostile (and mildly racist) behaviour from Indians here than I've actually experienced from the "white people".
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    You seem to judge the Chinese, their ways and morality purely through the eyes of a modern liberal, social justice campaigning, westerner. You must accept that they have not fallen foul of political correctness, and do not have such a concept as safe spaces (well, neither do we outside the cloistered world of the NUS), nor do they feel the need to hide their views as many westerners do.

    They are different.

    By the same token, many Middle Eastern countries don't permit many things that the western democracies think are essential.
    Is it actually possible for you to attack my argument without these absurd, assumptive labels? I'm not a 'modern liberal' or a social justice campaigner. But that seems to be the core of your response.

    And political correctness is a stupid term criticised by people who want to justify their hateful and discriminatory opinions. Its disturbing how many people on here are trying to say that advising against going to high-black / high-indian / high-pakistani areas because they are violent, isn't racist. This is just disgusting, it labels all of these people as more likely to be dangerous and uncivilised.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    This is just disgusting, it labels all of these people as more likely to be dangerous and uncivilised.
    On the basis of pure probability, isn't that true?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    No, they clearly link the two, eg, they give the colour of the local population as the reason for avoiding the area.

    I do wonder though if this is one of those lost in translation things. Perhaps the Chinese source doesn't quite come over this way, or then again, maybe they watered it down for the English version?
    Honestly, its probably not a mistranslation at all. People over here in china are very blunt and matter of fact with their opinions about race.

    I work in education, and parents will happily come up and say 'I dont want a black/brown/indian/african teacher for their kids. I ask why and they explain that they think there is a greater chance of their child learning non-optimum things, such as mis-pronounciations of words, non-white/western culture, bad bodylanguage habbits etc.

    now in our western eyes much of that is ******** and would be coined racist, but for them its the reality they see, and they are very blunt with it. So for me, I have no doubt at all they would not have had a second thought of saying to their tourists dont go to these areas because they contain X minority.. either for health reasons, or because they just dont want to see minorities when they come to england (in their eyes england is still a white country, so that is what they want to see when they come here)
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    (Original post by fallen_acorns)
    Honestly, its probably not a mistranslation at all. People over here in china are very blunt and matter of fact with their opinions about race.

    I work in education, and parents will happily come up and say 'I dont want a black/brown/indian/african teacher for their kids. I ask why and they explain that they think there is a greater chance of their child learning non-optimum things, such as mis-pronounciations of words, non-white/western culture, bad bodylanguage habbits etc.

    now in our western eyes much of that is ******** and would be coined racist, but for them its the reality they see, and they are very blunt with it. So for me, I have no doubt at all they would not have had a second thought of saying to their tourists dont go to these areas because they contain X minority.. either for health reasons, or because they just dont want to see minorities when they come to england (in their eyes england is still a white country, so that is what they want to see when they come here)
    The irony is that many white people see Chinese people in some of those ways.

    Racism is often a double-edged sword. It's sad though that such a large and important country contains so much blatant racism, but I guess it's a global problem.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Is it actually possible for you to attack my argument without these absurd, assumptive labels? I'm not a 'modern liberal' or a social justice campaigner. But that seems to be the core of your response.
    Not at all. The core of my response - the bit you ignored in your rush to attack me - is that the Chinese are, on the whole, different from westerners in this area and that you should not (and have no right to) expect them to hold the same opinions as you (or anyone in the west) about what is right or what is the right language to use.
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    (Original post by chemting)
    Maybe they should avoid going to places in their own country... like Tibet
    They already do...it is the tibetans that keep flooding into china south west area eg xi chuan.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Not at all. The core of my response - the bit you ignored in your rush to attack me - is that the Chinese are, on the whole, different from westerners in this area and that you should not (and have no right to) expect them to hold the same opinions as you (or anyone in the west) about what is right or what is the right language to use.
    If you wanted me to address your point, you should've emphasised it better instead of rushing to call me an SJW / modern liberal. Stop being a hypocrite.
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    (Original post by Charzhino)
    On the basis of pure probability, isn't that true?
    if blacks are a small percentage more likely to commit crimes, it doesn't warrant people to discriminate against every single black
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    If you wanted me to address your point, you should've emphasised it better instead of rushing to call me an SJW / modern liberal. Stop being a hypocrite.
    Another personal attack, and the same point still unaddressed.
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    Air China Media, which publishes the Wings of China magazine, said it wished to apologise to "readers and passengers who are feeling uncomfortable".

    It added: "This inappropriate description... was purely a work mistake by the editors and it's not the magazine's views."We will immediately recall this entire issue of magazines and draw lessons from this incident."
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    you just opened the box of pandora mate...i generally avoid starting debates of this nature...
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    if blacks are a small percentage more likely to commit crimes, it doesn't warrant people to discriminate against every single black
    no one has said they should be discriminated against

    Straw man number 109.....
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    What if we said any travellers going to China forget it altogether because they eat dogs and foetuses and practice black magic. not vegan friendly nor humane and even scary .

    Very racist and the generalisation is disgusting.
 
 
 
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