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Ape Gone Insane
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While on the subject of horror films, why make them?

I mean, there is nothing wrong with ordinary torture porn, or the odd horror film one sees for jokes. But I really don't see the point of making films such as A Serbian Film, or The Human Centipede. What is the inspiration behind such a film? What is the reason for making it in the first place? What is the gist of such a film?

I highly doubt anybody would watch something just for kicks...
People want to see how far they can push the boundaries of what is acceptable by society (take pornography years ago). I dread to think that these type of movies may become commonplace in future... :lolwut:

Manhunt is an example of when this happened in the video gaming world.
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(Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
People want to see how far they can push the boundaries of what is acceptable by society (Take pornography years ago). I dread to think that these type of movies may become commonplace in future... :lolwut:

Manhunt is an example of when this happened in the video gaming world.
I think they might. But you are portraying something which is far beyond what is morally acceptable. It is just sickening. To explore themes such as incest, or necrophilia, or paedophilia, as each one separately, is perfectly fine. But A Serbian film topped them all by mixing all 3. I got sick, by only reading the description of wikipedia.

Although Manhunt is a good example, I don't think it applies here. Seeing as it was a video game, and a gory one at that, which only explored the theme of murder which is pretty common.
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I think they might. But you are portraying something which is far beyond what is morally acceptable. It is just sickening. To explore themes such as incest, or necrophilia, or paedophilia, as each one separately, is perfectly fine. But A Serbian film topped them all by mixing all 3. I got sick, by only reading the description of wikipedia.

Although Manhunt is a good example, I don't think it applies here. Seeing as it was a video game, and a gory one at that, which only explored the theme of murder which is pretty common.
Ah but if they portrayed one of those, his/her movie wouldn't get any real publicity. This way it's controversial and people will talk about it. Hence why these sort of movies are done by relatively unknown directors.

Manhunt is an example of entertainment being pushed, testing the boundaries and causing a (controversial) reaction. It is controversial in the sense that it's interactive entertainment, putting you in the shoes of some pretty "horrific" acts. I don't really care for the game myself.
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Ah but if they portrayed one of those, his/her movie wouldn't get any real publicity. This way it's controversial and people will talk about it. Hence why these sort of movies are done by relatively unknown directors.

Manhunt is an example of entertainment being pushed, testing the boundaries and causing a (controversial) reaction. It is controversial in the sense that it's interactive entertainment, putting you in the shoes of some pretty "horrific" acts. I don't really care for the game myself.
Publicity is not really a justification for this sort of film tbh.

GTA is better known game than Manhunt, is less gory, but has caused more controversy. Worst part is, GTA sometimes has actually encouraged certain acts in really life. Even though it is a regular crime game.
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Publicity is not really a justification for this sort of film tbh.

GTA is better known game than Manhunt, is less gory, but has caused more controversy. Worst part is, GTA sometimes has actually encouraged certain acts in really life. Even though it is a regular crime game.
It isn't, I know.

That's more down to the negative perception that the media portrays video gaming as. Again, it's like pornography years ago and now the same thing is happening with video games. They are this "evil" entity which train you to become a criminal, which brainwash you and are responsible for violent acts in teenagers. The Wii has changed the perception of video games to an extent but the negative opinion of games still remains. I wouldn't say it has encouraged acts, just people being idiots and others adding fuel to the fire.

Something happens and some idiot will no doubt associate it with a video game. Scapegoat is the term...
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They wanted to get the message out to everyone just how bad Serbia has been treated by their government. The imagery provides two purposes - it ensures people know about the film, and it serves as a brutal metaphor.

Nobody is forcing you to watch it, and nobody should stop someone from making it either.
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They wanted to get the message out to everyone just how bad Serbia has been treated by their government. The imagery provides two purposes - it ensures people know about the film, and it serves as a brutal metaphor.

Nobody is forcing you to watch it, and nobody should stop someone from making it either.
It's not the film on a whole that's the problem, it's one scene.
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They wanted to get the message out to everyone just how bad Serbia has been treated by their government. The imagery provides two purposes - it ensures people know about the film, and it serves as a brutal metaphor.

Nobody is forcing you to watch it, and nobody should stop someone from making it either.
And, a comment which brings up some points:


I live in Serbia for my whole life. I am also a friend with few people involved in making of this film. This said, I would like to say a few thing about Serbian Film.

The metaphors mentioned by the producers are there but it is difficult to see them because the shock impact of the explicit scenes. Although the intention of this flick is NOT about presenting metaphors. It is about shock effect it has. Watching it for the first time i felt like i did when i watched Hostel for the first time. It is not the gore, or the sexually explicit scenes, it is, like in Hostel, the idea behind it that is actually scary.

Reading the reviews I can see that many people are disgusted by it. It is completely normal. This is not a movie for everybody. Actually it is for minority of people who can watch it knowing that it is a movie, not reality. Though, some things are reality not just in Serbia, but around the world (very sad, but true).

The thing that bothered me the most it that the movie is called Serbian film, but that is not Serbia. Again, I would like to make parallel with Hostel. Hostel is not Slovakia. Serbian film is not Serbia.

Serbian film made me proud and disgusted at the same time. Proud because my countrymen made one of the most shocking movies ever and it will be a cult movie for times to come. And disgusted because it depicts Serbia as wild, morbid and twisted society which is not.

Finally I would like to say this :
If you can withstand gore, brutality, morbid ideas behind the scenes, and look at the movie as the whole not as sum of its parts, get and watch this movie. It will shock you, but at the end you will feel it was worth it.
If not, stay WAY clear of Serbian film.

http://midnightshowing.com/2010/07/s...-serbian-film/
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And, a comment which brings up some points:





http://midnightshowing.com/2010/07/s...-serbian-film/
"Although the intention of this flick is NOT about presenting metaphors. It is about shock effect it has."

I trust the screenwriter to tell me the intention of the flick better than someone spouting their views on the internet, and he argues the opposite. The execution is a different matter, but the people who made the film know their own intentions.

"the idea behind it that is actually scary."

This line is representative of my major bugbear with arguments against horror films. You don't have to be funny to make a comedy film (Adam Sandler proves that often enough), and similarly you don't have to be screwed up to make a horror film.
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There are far better ways to bring points across than depicting a scene where a fat guy rapes a newborn to death tbh. Like I said, my niggle isn't with the film but one scene, I just find it unnecessary.
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"Although the intention of this flick is NOT about presenting metaphors. It is about shock effect it has."

I trust the screenwriter to tell me the intention of the flick better than someone spouting their views on the internet, and he argues the opposite. The execution is a different matter, but the people who made the film know their own intentions.

"the idea behind it that is actually scary."

This line is representative of my major bugbear with arguments against horror films. You don't have to be funny to make a comedy film (Adam Sandler proves that often enough), and similarly you don't have to be screwed up to make a horror film.
While you say spouting their views on the internet, you also have to consider the perception of the average viewer. If someone like me goes to see it, in the end I would be like 'WTF?!' rather than thinking about any metaphor it might have portrayed.

Now when the intention of the film was to portray a certain metaphor, and when your average viewer does not see that metaphor, you can only conclude that the message that the film wanted to communicate has failed. So overall, the intention may have been interesting, but when I don't get the proposed intention, the method used to portray that intention has failed. In turn, it is only the method that is being questioned.

I am pretty sure there were other ways to portray so and so metaphors.
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The Karate Kid was an enjoyable watch apart from the 12 year old romance. :nopity: Not sure how I would rate Jaden Smith's acting. Time for a re-watch; Shutter Island or Watchmen...may have to flip a coin. :teehee:
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The Karate Kid was a enjoyable watch apart from the 12 year old romance. :nopity: Not sure how I would rate Jaden Smith's acting. Time for a re-watch; Shutter Island or Watchmen...may have to flip a coin. :teehee:
To many re watches on your part. While you are at it, get a IMDB Top 250 list like the one in my sig. And watch a new film ffs.

The film ended just the way I expected. Certain films are being too predictable these days. If it wasn't for Phalanges, I don't think I would have guessed the ending of Inception.
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To many re watches on your part. While you are at it, get a IMDB Top 250 list like the one in my sig. And watch a new film ffs.

The film ended just the way I expected. Certain films are being too predictable these days. If it wasn't for Phalanges, I don't think I would have guessed the ending of Inception.
I can't help it to be honest. I look through the great releases of 2009/2010 and the only good ones I find are the ones I have watched. So I ... re-watch. :pierre:

:getmecoat:

I will do that list right now. :gah:
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I can't help it to be honest. I look through the great releases of 2009/2010 and the only good ones I find are the ones I have watched. So I ... re-watch. :pierre:

:getmecoat:

I will do that list right now. :gah:
I am guilty as well. I have watched Iron Man about 500 times. :o:

How about you include a link to that list in the OP, where everyone has have their own?
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I think I have the lowest number on that list on TSR. :nopity:
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I am guilty as well. I have watched Iron Man about 500 times. :o:

How about you include a link to that list in the OP, where everyone has have their own?
Me too. It's too good.
Iron Man 2 watch count however: 2 times :awesome:

I have now. More people need to sign up.
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While you say spouting their views on the internet, you also have to consider the perception of the average viewer. If someone like me goes to see it, in the end I would be like 'WTF?!' rather than thinking about any metaphor it might have portrayed.

Now when the intention of the film was to portray a certain metaphor, and when your average viewer does not see that metaphor, you can only conclude that the message that the film wanted to communicate has failed. So overall, the intention may have been interesting, but when I don't get the proposed intention, the method used to portray that intention has failed. In turn, it is only the method that is being questioned.

I am pretty sure there were other ways to portray so and so metaphors.
But just from watching it you can't necessarily pretend to know what the filmmaker's intentions were. You can discuss the execution of the idea, or how something worked for you, but you can't diminish the film as that person did by trying to categorically state what the intentions were or were not.

As for your final line, I'm sure there were. I'm sure the amateur surgery scene in Hard Candy could have been done differently, or the chainsaw scene in Scarface, or the shower scene in Psycho. You shouldn't encroach on what someone wants to show, as where do you stop? If someone wants to make a film with no social sensitivities, then let them. Audiences should be made thoroughly aware of what the film is about (and I'm pretty sure it wasn't released in any cinemas, so anyone watching the film had actively looked for it) and the filmmakers ensured they did this at the film festivals it was screened, and allowed to decide for themselves whether or not to watch it - and let's be honest here, there were no innocent viewers of this film. Nobody thinks "ooh I'd like a light comedy film" and stumbles across it by accident. If you watch it then it is because of it's reputation that you do so.


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To many re watches on your part. While you are at it, get a IMDB Top 250 list like the one in my sig. And watch a new film ffs.
Since when was only seeing like 20 films something to show off about? :p:

If it wasn't for Phalanges, I don't think I would have guessed the ending of Inception.
What did I do? :unsure:
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