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    (Original post by Insight314)
    5 hours: 9am to 2pm doing maths and then 2pm to 12am watching movies, TV series, playing games, going out. I can't see the problem in that.
    Lolllllll hahahahaha. You plan ur fun.


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    (Original post by physicsmaths)
    Lolllllll hahahahaha. You plan ur fun.


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    (Original post by Zacken)
    I'm sure you can't see the problem in that, which is precisely my point.
    Zacken. Wtf is wrong with u. Dnt be sad coz ur gna get pooled to my college then kings are gna pik my ass up cause they like me from summerpool. Leave insight alone u prick. Just cause u can't do something productive doesn't mean you turn on this ambitious yung boy. Hes gna go far going to cambridge at 16. All the way to CMS.


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    (Original post by physicsmaths)
    Well you know more then me, but i spoke to 2-3 people in your year who told me to learn a few courses at tons of people who get firsts wud have learnt a few courses before hand and have familiarity with them


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    By all means get familiar with 2-3 courses, but thats not the same as learning all of IA in the summer.

    (Original post by Insight314)
    1) I am probably not going to buy any textbooks (school might be able to buy it for me) but even then, why do you care?
    2) I don't think you could waste any time 'cross-referencing' between syllabus and textbook, when most textbooks (especially those with 'daggers' in the recommended section of https://www.maths.cam.ac.uk/system/files/schedules.pdf) contain the topics in chronological order of how the lectures would be scheduled. For example, look at the Analysis I section and tell me it is not almost identical as this one from "First Course in Mathematical Analysis" by J.C. Burkill:

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    3) If you are afraid of us getting burnt out from maths or anything, can we not relax during the summer and still manage 5 or so hours of uni maths? I don't see the problem in that.

    Thanks for recommending group theory though, definitely gonna go through that in the summer.
    I've just never heard any complaints about the lecture notes from anyone, so thought Id dissuade anyone reading this thinking they are necessary.

    Perhaps you wont get burnt out, but 5 hours is a lot during a holiday is a lot. Some people were doing about that amount during exam term. I know I was...

    Also, if you do all 4 example sheets at once without someone checking over them, thers a very good chance your going wrong somewhere. The good thing about doing that at Cambridge is you learn 1/4 of a course then do the example sheet which is checked by your supervisor. He will make sure you're not horribly missing the point somewhere, that you understand the course and just make sure your general question structure is good. You can then take his advice to the next 1/4 of the course and so on.

    Also doing example sheets 4 months in advance of supervisions is very counter productive. You will have forgotten what you were doing in some question so will be slightly lost as to what your supervisor is explaining. Heck, Ive done sheets 4-5 days in advance and still forgotten some of my arguments.


    You're gonna be at Churchill right? We want as many firsts as we can get! I wouldnt saying this if I didnt want you to do well.
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    (Original post by ホク水ね)
    Anyone got any ideas for II please?
    Massive disclaimer: I haven't done paper II yet, but this sounds like you are headed for a low 1/ high 2 as my guess.
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    (Original post by raff97)
    By all means get familiar with 2-3 courses, but thats not the same as learning all of IA in the summer.



    I've just never heard any complaints about the lecture notes from anyone, so thought Id dissuade anyone reading this thinking they are necessary.

    Perhaps you wont get burnt out, but 5 hours is a lot during a holiday is a lot. Some people were doing about that amount during exam term. I know I was...

    Also, if you do all 4 example sheets at once without someone checking over them, thers a very good chance your going wrong somewhere. The good thing about doing that at Cambridge is you learn 1/4 of a course then do the example sheet which is checked by your supervisor. He will make sure you're not going horribly missing the point somewhere, that you understand the course and just make sure your general question structure is good. You can then take his advice to the next 1/4 of the course and so on.

    Also doing example sheets 4 months in advance of supervisions is very counter productive. You will have forgotten what you were doing in some question so will be slightly lost as to what your supervisor is explaining. Heck, Ive done sheets 4-5 days in advance and still forgotten some of my arguments.


    You're gonna be at Churchill right? We want as many firsts as we can get! I wouldnt saying this if I didnt want you to do well.
    Ah then I fully agree with you


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    Can someone help to predict my grade plz?? (STEP 3)

    Q1 Full and correct in every parts
    Q2 Only did part 1 in the last 10 minutes
    Q4 Full and correct in every parts
    Q8 Full and correct in every parts
    Q9 Got part 1 right, and did part 2 as well but didn't end up with the required "show that" answer, so weird.

    Many thanks!!!
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    Can someone help to predict my grade plz?? (STEP 3)

    Q1 Full and correct in every parts
    Q2 Only did part 1 in the last 10 minutes
    Q4 Full and correct in every parts
    Q8 Full and correct in every parts
    Q9 Got part 1 right, and did part 2 as well but didn't end up with the required "show that" answer, so weird.

    Many thanks!!!
    20 + 4 + 20 + 20 + 15 = 79 = definite 1.
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    (Original post by raff97)
    For you guys wanting to learn so IA over the summer, just be clear that there is no need to do this. I have never met a single person who did this. Just what are you expecting to get from Cambridge if youre learning the content yourself without the lectures and supervisions?

    Ive heard of people who read ahead on 1 or 2 courses, but even that was rare. If you do do this please dont spend money on any textbooks. Lecture notes are available for free online and are perfect for the course. They strip away everything thats not needed and teach what you do need in a concise way. You wont be wasting any time trying to cross reference between the syllabus and your textbook.

    Finally, I recommend Groups over any course to read ahead on. Generally found to be one of the more difficult courses, but its a very interesting subject and you wont have seen anything like it before in A-level.

    You've just finished STEP, concentrate on your upcoming exams then take at least a month off (preferrably do nothing til September). Youll be doing plenty of maths next year so why start early?
    Agree with this (except if you are going to insist on starting early, do N&S. An easy introduction is given by Liebeck's book intro to pure maths). But you can get a high first without self studying in advance. Dabble if you really want, but definitely don't do it out of a mistaken belief you'll get left behind.
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    (Original post by KDDK)
    Can someone help to predict my grade plz?? (STEP 3)

    Q1 Full and correct in every parts
    Q2 Only did part 1 in the last 10 minutes
    Q4 Full and correct in every parts
    Q8 Full and correct in every parts
    Q9 Got part 1 right, and did part 2 as well but didn't end up with the required "show that" answer, so weird.

    Many thanks!!!
    Interesting, lots of people got Q9 'wrong' in the show that saying there was no root3. Interesting to see who is wrong.


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    (Original post by raff97)
    I've just never heard any complaints about the lecture notes from anyone, so thought Id dissuade anyone reading this thinking they are necessary.
    I see. I am definitely using the lecture notes as well as textbooks though. I currently haven't looked at the lecture notes but I feel like my methodology would be something along the lines 1)read lecture notes 2)reference to textbook, read it and see if you make 100% sense of it 3)do example sheets on it. What do you think of this? Are you 100% sure textbooks are not needed?

    (Original post by raff97)
    Perhaps you wont get burnt out, but 5 hours is a lot during a holiday is a lot. Some people were doing about that amount during exam term. I know I was...
    I was doing three times that during exam term, and that is because I had more exams than usual Maths offer-holders, so it seems like I will have way too much time in my hands during summer. I guess it is all relative. This doesn't even take into account how eager I am to start part IA.

    (Original post by raff97)
    Also, if you do all 4 example sheets at once without someone checking over them, thers a very good chance your going wrong somewhere. The good thing about doing that at Cambridge is you learn 1/4 of a course then do the example sheet which is checked by your supervisor. He will make sure you're not going horribly missing the point somewhere, that you understand the course and just general question structure. You can then take his advice to the next 1/4 of the course and so on.
    This is why Zacken is setting up ASoM (A Summer of Maths) thread where we will be collaborating and self-studying the Tripos together. It would be great if you and other current Mathmos (as long as you have the time of course) help us from time to time, kind of like in an online supervision, I suppose.

    (Original post by raff97)
    Also doing example sheets 4 months in advance of supervisions is very counter productive. You will have forgotten what you were doing in some question so will be slightly lost as to what your supervisor is explaining. Heck, Ive done sheets 4-5 days in advance and still forgotten some of my arguments.
    Now, this is something that I can't debate with you about. Are the example sheets online the same that are given every year? Can I not just re-do them when the time comes? I think this 'summer self-study' is more about getting the practice + being familiar with the course in advance, and not about reducing workload during part IA. I never intended it to be this way. I am very eager to start IA, and I want to improve in maths in advance before I come into Cambridge. I am not planning to reduce any potential workload in Cambridge or whatever, I want the contrary of that.

    (Original post by raff97)
    You're gonna be at Churchill right? We want as many firsts as we can get! I wouldnt saying this if I didnt want you to do well.
    Yes, I am a Churchill applicant! Are you also a Churchillian?

    Thanks a lot.
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    (Original post by Insight314)
    5 hours: 9am to 2pm doing maths and then 2pm to 12am watching movies, TV series, playing games, going out. I can't see the problem in that.
    9am to 2pm maths, more like 9am to 2pm sleep
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    (Original post by shamika)
    Agree with this (except if you are going to insist on starting early, do N&S. An easy introduction is given by Liebeck's book intro to pure maths). But you can get a high first without self studying in advance. Dabble if you really want, but definitely don't do it out of a mistaken belief you'll get left behind.
    I am not doing Numbers and Sets since I am taking Maths with Physics.

    My motivation to self-study part IA during the summer is only because I am eager to start part IA, I am not doing this so I don't get 'left behind' or anything.
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    (Original post by sweeneyrod)
    9am to 2pm maths, more like 9am to 2pm sleep
    You sleep for 14 hours? :confused:
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    (Original post by physicsmaths)
    Interesting, lots of people got Q9 'wrong' in the show that saying there was no root3. Interesting to see who is wrong.


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    I still can't believe how much of a joke question Q11 was.
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    (Original post by Insight314)
    I still can't believe how much of a joke question Q11 was.
    I still can't believe how much of a joke my life is
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    (Original post by Number Nine)
    I still can't believe how much of a joke my life is
    I can't agree with you more m8.

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    (Original post by Insight314)
    I am not doing Numbers and Sets since I am taking Maths with Physics.

    My motivation to self-study part IA during the summer is only because I am eager to start part IA, I am not doing this so I don't get 'left behind' or anything.
    You know you can still go to the N&S and D&R lectures right? (They're scheduled so that they don't overlap.) For mathmos I still suggest N&S over Groups because it's a foundational course designed to get you infused to rigorous mathematics with objects (numbers and sets) which you'll be familiar with. If you don't want to do N&S, how about V&M? It's another foundational course that follows on from FP3.

    Groups is probably the hardest of the lot you can start with, hence me suggesting otherwise to raff. It's entirely doable to self study though. Whatever you decide, don't waste money on textbooks - get lecture notes instead. A few mathmos have beautiful notes on their blogs which I'm sure you can find with some googling (hopefully some of those in Cambridge now can link to some). Ill put some suggestions for books to look at if you really want some, once you've decided which course you're going to start with
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    (Original post by Zacken)
    20 + 4 + 20 + 20 + 15 = 79 = definite 1.
    Thank u soooo much!!!!

    (Original post by physicsmaths)
    Interesting, lots of people got Q9 'wrong' in the show that saying there was no root3. Interesting to see who is wrong.


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    I'll probably be the wrong one, always messed up with SHM lol.
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    (Original post by shamika)
    You know you can still go to the N&S and D&R lectures right? (They're scheduled so that they don't overlap.)
    Yeah, I know that. I really want to specialise in theoretical physics by the time I graduate, and the course details for D&R make it seem as a 'must' for those people who want to do exactly that, since it is one of the first theoretical physics courses that a mathmo would take. However, this one is replaced by the Maths with Physics option due to there already being a Special Relativity course within the fourth paper (the Physics NatSci Tripos one). So would you say it would be beneficial for me to attend those lectures or not?


    (Original post by shamika)
    For mathmos I still suggest N&S over Groups because it's a foundational course designed to get you infused to rigorous mathematics with objects (numbers and sets) which you'll be familiar with. If you don't want to do N&S, how about V&M? It's another foundational course that follows on from FP3.
    I actually learnt some N&S during Summer 2015 for my personal statement so I can include the book "Numbers and Proofs" by Allenby. This textbook is included in the recommended list for N&S on https://www.maths.cam.ac.uk/system/files/schedules.pdf with a 'dagger' next to it which suggests that it is especially written for that course. Here is the Contents page of it: Name:  IMG_0496.jpg
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Size:  501.0 KB Attachment 556653556655. I have already covered up to Chapter 4 but not more than that. Would you say I should complete it? Although I do find N&S intriguing, I mainly decided to self-study it for set theory and mathematical logic; I am not that much into proofs and the more pure maths to be quite honest. I was definitely planning on taking V&M before Group theory, even before raff97 suggested me to take Group theory during the summer; I think group theory is taught together with V&M in Michaelmas term, so good to self-study them together.

    (Original post by shamika)
    Groups is probably the hardest of the lot you can start with, hence me suggesting otherwise to raff. It's entirely doable to self study though. Whatever you decide, don't waste money on textbooks - get lecture notes instead. A few mathmos have beautiful notes on their blogs which I'm sure you can find with some googling (hopefully some of those in Cambridge now can link to some). Ill put some suggestions for books to look at if you really want some, once you've decided which course you're going to start with
    Don't you think textbooks are at least a bit useful though? I've already got an Analysis I textbook. So you are suggesting 1)lecture notes 2)example sheets as a study methodology. Wouldn't it be more favourable to accomodate the lecture notes with a textbook or is that just going to be a waste of time? I feel like cross-referencing would be very beneficial in terms of learning the content in depth.

    I thought Cambrige also shares online lecture notes, or are those lecture notes you are talking about different to them? I have to go to sleep now so I will private message you tomorrow with the courses that I may take during the summer.

    Thanks a lot. You've been of great help!
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