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    (Original post by Cannotbelieveit)
    I was going to dignify this with a response, until I saw Falklands War Criminal.

    Some people are idiots these days.
    The fact that Argentina invaded the Falklands is negated from lefties heads.

    They think sinking the ****ers when they were possible regrouping is a bigger crime than their invasion in the first place.

    Basically an ideal leftist society is one that gets **** on in every way by every other country.
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    Her actions may not have been popular but without her Britain would not be able to cope in the modern world...


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    (Original post by Endless Blue)
    Why's that? It seems to me that you're utterly beyond stupid.
    I don't wish to engage in spammy arguments, or correct the many inaccuracies stated about Lady Thatcher on this thread.

    If you don't like her, fine. I understand. But believing what you know to be not true, just to feel better about yourself, then I feel sorry for you.
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    (Original post by Karla_Steinbach)
    You keep negging me but I wonder how many of you would actually be willing to live and work under Thatcherism today in the factory on a night shift. What you would fancy doing is pushing a pen for a high salary to be able to buy as much of a commodity produced by the one who would be doing a night shift as possible.

    Greed, snobbery, inhumane attitude towards society. This is why I'm going back to my home country after I graduate the university here. It's not the UK I've imagined and the government is doing everything to take this country back to the 1980s.
    Don't you know, the 70s were awesome!

    Sitting in candlelight for three hours in the evening twice a week with no electricity, you were lucky if you had a gas cooker and a coal fire, so at least you could stay warm and have a hot meal, but if you were heating with electric as many were, you had to do without.

    Kids not being able to play outside during the winter of discontent because tons of **** had piled up on the streets and it was a health hazard.

    Apparently, according to many on the left, these are all 'myths', and I was very young when Thatcher was in power, so I'm undecided.

    Now, I don't know whether to trust them, or the official documented history and accounts by millions of people who saw it for themselves.
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    (Original post by Karla_Steinbach)
    I'm Dutch and I truly love Britons as a nation (we're sort of distant cousins with the English Saxons) but I must say Falklands simply do not and should not belong to Britain.

    Should they belong to Argentine? That's disputable.

    The point about Falklands War - yes - it was a criminal act as no sea warfare and airbombarding was necessary to sink the ships full of Argentinian men retreating with a white flag!
    1) why do they not belong to Britain? British citizens live there, they said a few weeks ago in a referendum they wanted to be British, so why not? Are you some Dutch dictator wishing to oppress the people of the Falklands? Why shouldn't they be allowed their freedom? Who are you to take it from them?
    2)its criminal to invade in the first place! Ever heard of the just war theory? Argentina didn't abide by it, so why should we? We were acting in self defense, we were the victims in this war, not the aggressor.
    3) the general belgrano was not surrendering, it was turning away from the Falklands. That does not mean she was surrendering, she could of just of easily turned around the next day and attacked the Royal navy fleet. This is war, people die.
    4) was the sinking of HMS Sheffield criminal? Was the sinking of the Arctic Conveyor a CIVILIAN ship criminal?
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    (Original post by zanderevison)
    Her actions may not have been popular but without her Britain would not be able to cope in the modern world...


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    Not only would Britain be able to cope without her but we would also have more equal and just society.
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    (Original post by Karla_Steinbach)
    You keep negging me but I wonder how many of you would actually be willing to live and work under Thatcherism today in the factory on a night shift. What you would fancy doing is pushing a pen for a high salary to be able to buy as much of a commodity produced by the one who would be doing a night shift as possible.

    Greed, snobbery, inhumane attitude towards society. This is why I'm going back to my home country after I graduate the university here. It's not the UK I've imagined and the government is doing everything to take this country back to the 1980s.
    "greed, snobbery, inhumane attitude towards society." If that's the type of offensive attitude you have towards british people, then all I can say is this: good riddance.
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    (Original post by pol pot noodles)
    She described the ANC as terrorists, which they were, and she did more to end apartheid and get Mandela freed than any other contempary world leader. Mandela personally thanked her for his release and the ANC even paid tribute to her when she died, what does that tell you?
    I'm sorry, I disagree with the ANC as terrorists. They were freedom fighters.
    I was originally unaware of them paying tribute, however.
    Nevertheless, during her tenure, she was the only person in a UN meeting refusing to sanction apartheid-era South Africa. Do feel free to correct me on that.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    I am a UKIP voter, and I hope this happens. Labour's vote will be decimated, and come to UKIP. The politics of the hard left are never coming back thanks to the great Lady Thatcher.

    And when does happen and Ed loses touch with public opinion even more, you will witness decades of opposition.
    Whatever your ideological views, it is still unhealthy for a party system to be entirely leaning to the right. Even if you hate leftists/Labour, having no valid party to represent the Left creates a huge imbalance.
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    (Original post by JFA 95)
    I'm sorry, I disagree with the ANC as terrorists. They were freedom fighters.
    They attacked civilians. I can not condone any organisation that attacks and murders innocent civilians, regardless of in what name they do it.

    (Original post by JFA 95)
    I was originally unaware of them paying tribute, however.
    Nevertheless, during her tenure, she was the only person in a UN meeting refusing to sanction apartheid-era South Africa. Do feel free to correct me on that.
    She refused to sanction South Africa because that would only acheive an isolated, paranoid apartheid regime, who would pass on the costs of the sanctions to the poor blacks anyway. Can you name any regimes that were actually toppled solely through economic sanctions?
    Sure, it would have made politicians feel good at night and is good on principle and paper, but in reality as a measure designed to help the black people it was kind of counter-productive.
    Instead she engaged in constructive dialogue with the apartheid government to not only end the policy but to free Mandela, and all the evidence suggests that she did more to achieve both of those than any contempary world leader that pushed for sanctions.
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    (Original post by pol pot noodles)
    They attacked civilians. I can not condone any organisation that attacks and murders innocent civilians, regardless of in what name they do it.



    She refused to sanction South Africa because that would only acheive an isolated, paranoid apartheid regime, who would pass on the costs of the sanctions to the poor blacks anyway. Can you name any regimes that were actually toppled solely through economic sanctions?
    Sure, it would have made politicians feel good at night and is good on principle and paper, but in reality as a measure designed to help the black people it was kind of counter-productive.
    Instead she engaged in constructive dialogue with the apartheid government to not only end the policy but to free Mandela, and all the evidence suggests that she did more to achieve both of those than any contempary world leader that pushed for sanctions.
    Oh, well cheers for this. I will do a bit of research into how South Africans reacted to her death, etc.
    I'm still not honestly sure on how to evaluate her impact abroad.
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    (Original post by Jordan-James)
    The fact that Argentina invaded the Falklands is negated from lefties heads.

    They think sinking the ****ers when they were possible regrouping is a bigger crime than their invasion in the first place.

    Basically an ideal leftist society is one that gets **** on in every way by every other country.
    I'd sorry but this is ridiculous! Yes the invasion was wrong, but the blood of those retreating seamen stains Thatcher's hands.
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    (Original post by a729)
    North Korea - probably the only country which hasn't embraced Thatcher's policies to some degree!
    I was going to say Iraq, then it all came back to me - Saddam's gone!

    "Sir, I salute your courage, your indefatigability". I could go on.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    I don't wish to engage in spammy arguments, or correct the many inaccuracies stated about Lady Thatcher on this thread.

    If you don't like her, fine. I understand. But believing what you know to be not true, just to feel better about yourself, then I feel sorry for you.
    I don't know what you're talking about. How about actually explaining why that user's point was "utterly beyond stupid", instead of just branding it as that and leaving it. I've yet to see you produce any argument to the contrary as to why that person's comments were wrong - in many ways I think they're correct and I'd be happy to have a mature discussion about them. Sadly, you don't seem to want to. I doubt Lady Thatcher would be particularly impressed by that.
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    the issue that the people i've spoken to about thatcher, are not that the policies themselves were wrong, but that they were overly harsh on the vulnerable in society and that she seemed to take pleasure (or didnt give a damn) in screwing the working class.
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    (Original post by orange9)
    the issue that the people i've spoken to about thatcher, are not that the policies themselves were wrong, but that they were overly harsh on the vulnerable in society and that she seemed to take pleasure (or didnt give a damn) in screwing the working class.
    Massively increasing spending on healthcare, social security and education, lowering the lower band of income tax, reigning in inflation, and selling off massively discounted council houses to their tenants does not, imo, sound like someone who didn't give a damn about the working class.
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    (Original post by Shaker1903)
    I'd sorry but this is ridiculous! Yes the invasion was wrong, but the blood of those retreating seamen stains Thatcher's hands.
    People like you need to sort out your priorities.
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    (Original post by pol pot noodles)
    Massively increasing spending on healthcare, social security and education, lowering the lower band of income tax, reigning in inflation, and selling off massively discounted council houses to their tenants does not, imo, sound like someone who didn't give a damn about the working class.
    look, selling off council houses then means that there is a lack of social housing nowadays. they've all been sold off and the situation now is that private landlords sponge off the state at the expense of the taxpayer.

    if you lose your job because of a political theory, and have no hope of ever getting another because you are so specialised, it doesnt matter one jot whether spending on education, healthcare and so on goes up. whole communities became ghost towns. the amount of people in poverty increased hugely.
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    (Original post by WalkingTolerance)
    Thatcherism produced:

    1) Shifting of the means of production to the developing countries for cheap, exploiting labour power

    2) Record levels of unemployment reaching higher than what can be witnessed in the present-day ordoliberal Poland

    3) Making the British economy entirely dependent on the finance sector, more so than Switzerland

    4) Creating the gigantic monopolies and oligarchs alongside, such as the Six main banks, Six main energy companies so that we could compete with perestroikan Russia

    5) Destroying the leftover of respect, dignity and influence for the organized labour which has been remarked by the greatest faculties of mind as essential for the commodity producing society, i.e. Adam Smith

    6) As far as practicing fierce capitalism, Baroness was willing to give in to American companies in Westland Affair

    7) Marketization of education which, as opposed to 'parentocracy' created the A-C economy with millions being permanently written off and the wealthy having a substantial socio-economic advantage in education ever since

    8) Devastated the concept of social mobility and meritocracy with repealing of the measures despite the Black Report of 1980

    9) Despite being the outspoken Eurosceptic, Baroness in fact passed more power and always complied with the Brussels policy

    10) Failed at Hong Kong

    11) Falklands War Criminal

    12) Poll tax was the final blow to any concept of fiscal justice

    13) Led to the record levels of crime

    14) Destroyed the socialized NHS with market influence of private companies, making the private sector medical services superior to public

    15) Portrayed the Celtic nations as inferior, especially in the case of Northern Ireland struggle or Wales

    16) Britain's childhood-poverty rate in 1997 was the highest in Europe

    17) During her government Britain's Gini coefficient reflected this growing difference, going from 0.25 in 1979 to 0.34 in 1990.

    18) Shifting back the Victorian societal values undermining ethnic minorities, different sexual orientations, different family units and any 'deviance from mainstream'

    19) Re-enchantment of the world with her Methodist beliefs and damaging the process of secularization

    20) Inflicted a severe damage upon the pensioners and the safety net system desired for them despite the most loyal contribution to the British economy and wealth creation throughout their best years of their lives

    21) Last but not least, Baroness alienated the Britons from their communities. Philosophically speaking: separation of the subject from the object was at its zenith. Record levels of suicide, mental illness, depression and millions of lives betrayed from childhood, parenthood and senility.
    Which is why she was elected three times, and her party 4 times. You lefty idiot.
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    (Original post by Shaker1903)
    I'd sorry but this is ridiculous! Yes the invasion was wrong, but the blood of those retreating seamen stains Thatcher's hands.
    Do you know something the Argentine navy doesn't? Because they themselves have admitted the Belgrano was still engaged in a pincer movement.
 
 
 
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