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    (Original post by Jessaay!)
    How am I suddenly superficial? :confused:

    And you were, you were saying porn, and lads mags cater to the big breasts. You were talking about everything else. I literally just pointed out that there is a category for small breasts and petite women, as well as large women, on these websites... somehow you're still debating it. Yes, a lot of porn is focused towards large breasted women (but I'm not sure 37FFF breasts can really count in your debate), but there is an awful lot catered towards other body shapes too.
    Yes I know, but the vast majority of those image depict the more curvier aspects of women. Those girls in those magazine go and have fake boobs for a reason. It's all supply and demand. There isn't that much of a demand for some skinny naked chick with small breasts and not so completely flat ass.
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    (Original post by Sisu)
    Lol at lad accusations, that **** is cringe-worthy and I would slap myself if I ever uttered the word 'lad'. And told you 2ndclass, accusations of my masculinity being threatened were bound to happen. Predictable really.
    It's all projected insecurity. I make a statement then they take it as if I personally insulted them, proceed to insult me and then get *****y when I say something back. It's ridiculous. Just like that RIKU fellow, he insulted me for no reason whatsoever but when I pretty accurately described what he is, then they get upset again.

    And I'm a lad now apparently.
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    (Original post by LavenderBlueSky88)
    I actually come from a deprived town that's got a very high 'chav' population and rampant unemployment . I went to a good school and have been to two very different universities. I have friends from many different walks of life. I have no reason to talk to anyone in inner London, as I live nowhere near there. So basically you're saying that those viewpoints are mainly representative of that group, NOT all men. So middle class men are exempt are they?
    No, his viewpoint is universal, I'm talking about the way he wrote it by keeping it real and not sugarcoating it which comes of as you said being a sexist pig. Middle class men don't like ironboards too but they would sugarcoat it by stating things like (using Riku's quote as a example) "Much as I like dat ass, not every girl is going to do squats or be into that kinda thing".
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    (Original post by LavenderBlueSky88)

    You weren't insulting me. But other people on this thread. You've called a girl unattractive without even knowing what she looked like, and God knows what this weird argument is about with Riku. As far as I can see, he commented on the thread then got pounced on
    !
    I don't want to become entangled in this petty argument, but for the record, being called "unattractive" isn't really an insult if you're a mature person who realises that some people will be unattractive to other people. You can move on, not take it so personally, and find someone who does find you attractive, if it bothers you that much. You can't be universally attractive, there is no such thing.

    And believe it or not, there are actually more important things than being attractive. So grow up.

    Edit: why the neg? Shallow are we?
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    (Original post by 2ndClass)
    It's all projected insecurity. I make a statement then they take it as if I personally insulted them, proceed to insult and then get *****y when I say something back. It's ridiculous. Just like that RIKU fellow, he insulted for no reason whatsoever but when I pretty accurately described what he is, then they get upset again.
    2ndClass, I openly apologise for accusing you of being a troll and, I guess, body fascist. It was lazy, hasty and presumptuous. Sorry man.
    However I still disagree with your views and let's be honest, your analysis of me was pretty biting, if perhaps-perhaps-true.
    If I get upset, once again, I'm battling demons (don't know why I'm telling you all this but meh it's getting late). Nothing you say is something I haven't felt about myself at some point. The question is whether to side with your view and accept I'm wrong, or maybe I'm right. Doubt.
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    (Original post by eclectic_)
    I don't want to become entangled in this petty argument, but for the record, being called "unattractive" isn't really an insult if you're a mature person who realises that some people will be unattractive to other people. You can move on, not take it so personally, and find someone who does find you attractive, if it bothers you that much. You can't be universally attractive, there is no such thing.

    And believe it or not, there are actually more important things than being attractive. So grow up.
    I know and I stress it wasn't said to me. However he did make out that most men wouldn't find this individual attractive and implied her boyfriend was settling. Which is pretty damn insulting in my book.
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    (Original post by Sisu)
    No, his viewpoint is universal, I'm talking about the way he wrote it by keeping it real and not sugarcoating it which comes of as you said being a sexist pig. Middle class men don't like ironboards too but they would sugarcoat it by stating things like (using Riku's quote as a example) "Much as I like dat ass, not every girl is going to do squats or be into that kinda thing".
    Can I just ask what part of 'Much as I like dat ass, not everyone does' sugar-coats 'I like dat ass'?!
    And bro I'm not even middle-class lol I feel like an anomaly in a Northern town (not from superiority how stuck-up would that be, plenty of smarter Scousers out there than me, just sense of being different-but that's another kettle of fish)
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    (Original post by 2ndClass)
    Yes I know, but the vast majority of those image depict the more curvier aspects of women. Those girls in those magazine go and have fake boobs for a reason. It's all supply and demand. There isn't that much of a demand for some skinny naked chick with small breasts and not so completely flat ass.
    It still goes against what you said about guys NOT liking all sorts- there would not be a large category about it. It's not like these petite, or small breast, categories are minor or in any way hard to find. Anyway, on such a note, there is something to be said about porn catering for those types, because it is catering for a certain type of man who likes porn. Hence it goes for the extremes, extremes in breast size, extremes in the actual sex it shows. We'd be stupid to say real life is like that (or if we said sex is like that... there's a large chance we'd never had it before ). Though when you look into the amateur porn, or reality porn, I'd say on the whole there are women with small breasts as well.

    And in essence, yeah, porn is there for guys to have a quick **** to, so it has to probably show extremes such as large breasts. Though it doesn't mean the people who watch hardcore pornography about a guy having multiple BJs in one go with a multitude of women with large breasts wouldn't be turned on by a small breasted but attractive girl who's good in bed.

    You are making it very black and white, but I know a lot of men who have gone for a massive range of sizes (from tiny to huge) in terms of women, just because they don't have one particular attractive shape in mind. As long as they look feminine. And before you say it, you can be small and look feminine, you have pointed out the extremes of body shapes which you say are boyish, but it's not always the case. Emma Watson, for example, is fairly non-curvy http://us.cdn282.fansshare.com/celeb...1657467176.jpg

    Women are a HUGE range of sizes, to be small breasted/arsed doesn't mean flat, or boyish necessarily. A lot of it's about proportion.
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    (Original post by LavenderBlueSky88)
    I know and I stress it wasn't said to me. However he did make out that most men wouldn't find this individual attractive and implied her boyfriend was settling. Which is pretty damn insulting in my book.
    So... that's just his opinion. He's entitled to have it, and you're entitled to laugh at him for having it. But surely you realise you're not going to make him agree with you by arguing here? Just leave it, I say. Anyone who makes generalisations that large is obviously not going to be worth arguing with.
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    (Original post by Sisu)
    No, his viewpoint is universal, I'm talking about the way he wrote it by keeping it real and not sugarcoating it which comes of as you said being a sexist pig. Middle class men don't like ironboards too but they would sugarcoat it by stating things like (using Riku's quote as a example) "Much as I like dat ass, not every girl is going to do squats or be into that kinda thing".
    Not wanting to be too obvious but I'm probably what you guys would call an ironing board (despite generally being regarded as normal or slim /curvy by most people) and I can safely say it's never held me back with guys. I get enough unwanted attention, and no this isn't from desperate drunk guys. I also have friends with similar figures and again they are not short of male admiration, and no they don't do it to every girl because I also have plenty of female friends who are virgins and not through choice.

    I like looking at hench ripped guys, I find a big physique attractive. However I know real life isn't based on what looks nice. There's more to someone than their body shape!
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    (Original post by eclectic_)
    So... that's just his opinion. He's entitled to have it, and you're entitled to laugh at him for having it. But surely you realise you're not going to make him agree with you by arguing here? Just leave it, I say. Anyone who makes generalisations that large is obviously not going to be worth arguing with.
    I know. I just love arguing. Especially with people like him. I just try and picture what the person behind the username is like. I find it fascinating.
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    (Original post by LavenderBlueSky88)
    Not wanting to be too obvious but I'm probably what you guys would call an ironing board (despite generally being regarded as normal or slim /curvy by most people) and I can safely say it's never held me back with guys. I get enough unwanted attention, and no this isn't from desperate drunk guys. I also have friends with similar figures and again they are not short of male admiration, and no they don't do it to every girl because I also have plenty of female friends who are virgins and not through choice.

    I like looking at hench ripped guys, I find a big physique attractive. However I know real life isn't based on what looks nice. There's more to someone than their body shape!
    Where has anyone claimed it was going to hold you back? 2ndclass even agreed with me that " Sometimes your sex drive is higher than your need to maintain your standard". As much as I'd like to have sex with only girls with 9/10 bodies, I don't have that luxury and thus don't mind having sex with a girl as long as she's not too fat or too skinny. Also, no offense but unwanted attention from guys isn't something to be proud of. Even the ugliest of girls get white-knighted occasionally, doesn't really tell you much.
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    (Original post by Sisu)
    Where has anyone claimed it was going to hold you back? 2ndclass even agreed with me that " Sometimes your sex drive is higher than your need to maintain your standard". As much as I'd like to have sex with only girls with 9/10 bodies, I don't have that luxury and thus don't mind having sex with a girl as long as she's not too fat or too skinny. Also, no offense but unwanted attention from guys isn't something to be proud of. Even the ugliest of girls get white-knighted occasionally, doesn't really tell you much.
    I just said, no it doesn't happen to every girl!

    I'm not going to go into details because it'll sound boastful and you won't believe me. Why would guys say a girl is 'fit' to his mates if he had no intention of getting with her? Surely in instances such as these it is probably because he thinks she's fit. You're basically making out that every guy I've ever been with has been settling for me cos they can't get any better, yet I've been with guys who were very attractive and (obviously) ones that weren't so. Besides I'm not just talking about sex, I know guys lower their standard for one night stands. I'm talking dating and relationships. Would you really have a proper relationship with a girl who's body you thought was sub-par? Probably not.

    Here's a ridiculous example but one nonetheless: prince William probably could have got any girl he wanted, a lot of girls would have probably thrown themselves at him being a prince and all. Yet Kate Middleton is quite skinny and not curvy.
    In fact, a lot of very rich and very handsome celebrities' wives don't match up to your ideals. So what gives?

    Not sure why I'm wasting my time trying to argue with two frustrated boys.
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    Even now that big hips, boobs and bums are in fashion we are just as pressured with expectations of what we should look like, it's mental. If you're healthy and happy who cares if you are a size 6 or a size 16 - I have seen women at both ends of the scale who I think are beautiful.
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    (Original post by LavenderBlueSky88)
    I just said, no it doesn't happen to every girl!

    I'm not going to go into details because it'll sound boastful and you won't believe me. Why would guys say a girl is 'fit' to his mates if he had no intention of getting with her? Surely in instances such as these it is probably because he thinks she's fit. You're basically making out that every guy I've ever been with has been settling for me cos they can't get any better, yet I've been with guys who were very attractive and (obviously) ones that weren't so. Besides I'm not just talking about sex, I know guys lower their standard for one night stands. I'm talking dating and relationships. Would you really have a proper relationship with a girl who's body you thought was sub-par? Probably not.

    The best part of all this is I know I'm out of both of your leagues anyway. Not sure why I'm wasting my time trying to argue with two frustrated boys.
    I've seen it happen to a lot ugly girls, don't get happs.

    There's a difference between being fit and being ideal. That girl with that ass you posted is fit but she isn't ideal. Do you really think you match your boyfriends ideal person? That's pretty arrogant tbh. Yes they settle, we all settle, I'm not saying that I'm going to be a girl's ideal. The vast majority of both men and women aren't ideal hence it would be unrealistic for them to only chase the ideals because that would just result in majority of the population being single.

    There you go again getting pathetically personal. Big whoop, you're out of my league, do you want a medal? I don't give a **** because I'm secure enough and have enough experience with women to know that I can get some pretty good looking women which means I'm either charming or handsome, don't really care either way, end result is the same.
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    (Original post by Sisu)
    I've seen it happen to a lot ugly girls, don't get happs.

    There's a difference between being fit and being ideal. That girl with that ass you posted is fit but she isn't ideal. Do you really think you match your boyfriends ideal person? That's pretty arrogant tbh. Yes they settle, we all settle, I'm not saying that I'm going to be a girl's ideal. The vast majority of both men and women aren't ideal hence it would be unrealistic for them to only chase the ideals because that would just result in majority of the population being single.

    There you go again getting pathetically personal. Big whoop, you're out of my league, do you want a medal? I don't give a **** because I'm secure enough and have enough experience with women to know that I can get some pretty good looking women which means I'm either charming or handsome, don't really care either way, end result is the same.
    Yes everyone has 'ideals' or 'fantasies' but I still find realistic bodies attractive. I find the PERSON attractive, not just their bits and bobs. It's not settling.

    I edited my post as it does come across as unnecessary. It's late I dunno. However I am trying to make a point, like you, that I get some pretty hot guys so I must be either hot myself or charming? You'll probably say they are just settling, and in that case all the attractive women you've bedded probably were too!

    Edit: just been on your profile and seen you're only 20.most guys of 20 think like you. I don't judge you for your opinions, you're only young!
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    (Original post by LavenderBlueSky88)
    Yes everyone has 'ideals' or 'fantasies' but I still find realistic bodies attractive. I find the PERSON attractive, not just their bits and bobs. It's not settling.

    I edited my post as it does come across as unnecessary. It's late I dunno. However I am trying to make a point, like you, that I get some pretty hot guys so I must be either hot myself or charming? You'll probably say they are just settling, and in that case all the attractive women you've bedded probably were too!

    Edit: just been on your profile and seen you're only 20.most guys of 20 think like you. I don't judge you for your opinions, you're only young!
    We're talking about bodies here. I, too, find the person attractive. I would much rather go for a intelligent, bubbly 7/10 than a vapid 10/10 in terms of relationships. That doesn't stop the 10/10 from having the better body.

    You're saying that like I care though lol. I'm a man, my self-worth isn't tied to my attractiveness, it's tied to what I can do. The result matters more to me.

    Think like what? I'm always going to have these preferences. I'm not saying I'm going to hold out for the perfect 10/10. I'm not saying attractiveness is the only important thing to me.
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    (Original post by LavenderBlueSky88)

    Edit: just been on your profile and seen you're only 20.most guys of 20 think like you. I don't judge you for your opinions, you're only young!
    I'm glad you said this, I thought the same thing. It's not just about 'preferences', it's the blindness to realise that there are a lot of guys who would go for a smaller girl hands down compared to a larger girl, all other aspects of personality etc being equal (smaller meaning less 'curvy' etc), and there are a range of preferences. Liking women to have breasts is not the same as liking women with large breasts. A man going for a woman with small breasts doesn't mean they're 'settling below his standards' and would prefer her with large breasts, even if he finds large breasts attractive on some women- he may just want a feminine woman who is beautiful and appears in proportion. I have a feeling that's what we're trying to get through to them without any luck. They're quite marginal distinctions and I know that most of the younger guys I know probably wouldn't get it, whereas my age would. I know very few people, around my age, who would say my figure is not attractive compared to the more hourglass shaped women we know. I take care of my body, it's actually quite feminine, whether these two guys believe it or not I DON'T have a flat arse, I actually get a lot of compliments on that and my legs. They might be more attracted to an hourglass woman, but some of them aren't.

    Also, I think someone earlier on this thread said something like 'it's immature to be offended by someone saying you're unattractive, everyone is entitled to their opinion'. There's a distinction between being called 'unattractive', and someone saying they're not attracted to you. Unattractive is usually an objective thing, it is not recognising that anyone else can be attracted to this person.
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    (Original post by Jessaay!)
    Also, I think someone earlier on this thread said something like 'it's immature to be offended by someone saying you're unattractive, everyone is entitled to their opinion'. There's a distinction between being called 'unattractive', and someone saying they're not attracted to you. Unattractive is usually an objective thing, it is not recognising that anyone else can be attracted to this person.
    I agree with this a lot, when I was in high school I used to get bulled a lot by the boys not the girls. I had a 24 inch waist was a size 8 and was being constantly bullied by those boys being called fat, ugly and unattractive... I mean what guy would want to date a girl whose butt giggles when she runs.
    So I stopped eating as much, went down a couple of dress sizes and then their bullying changed to me being sickly and lacking any sex appeal, telling me that I wasn't a real woman as well. I finally gained weight on, my boobs and hips came in I still get called fat, and ugly by certain people but three years after finishing college I feel a crap tonne better about myself.
    It does feel horrible when people say you're too small, and I know everyone says this but the most important thing is that you're happy with who you are. Ignore the stupid boys/girls who say crap about how you look, in the end their opinion doesn't matter.
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    (Original post by thisistheend)
    Your current size is GREAT, keep it up! If only more girls were like you.
    I hope your not being sarcastic.
 
 
 
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