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    (Original post by CraigWM)
    German football is also extremely fan-friendly from what I've seen. I believe you can get a season ticket at Bayern Munich for cheaper than you can at most Championship clubs, because they're run by those who appreciate what a football club really needs, its fans. Unlike the BPL where if you get a season ticket for less than £500 you're more of a wheeler dealer than old Redknapp.
    I am going to Munich in August and looked up the costs-you can get a standing ticket for 15 euros (so £10?). An adult ticket at Coventry is twice that. Who do you think gets the better deal? The Germans have it spot on with the way they run their football.


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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Not at all - the local business man done good just isn't sustainable in the modern economics of football. As much as I'd love Leicester to be owned by the fans or a local business man, it's not viable. Lumping all the foreign owners in with the likes of Assam at Hull and Tan at Cardiff is pretty absurd, some have done perfectly well.

    However Fawazs ridiculous twitter nonsense combined with the poison dwarf in the managers office would make me happy to see forest failing.


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    The German model shows this to be nonsense.


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    (Original post by pane123)
    I do enjoy the Premier League, but I see where you're coming from. I think some of the clubs with billionaire backing are doing things the right way, though.

    The Football League, Serie A, Ligue 1 & 2 and La Liga are where my main interest lies, though.
    It boils English football down to a case of which owner has the deepest pockets. It is not the right way to run football. I live in Scotland where the football on offer is dreadful however the fan experience is still better because it isn't commercialised to death and the prices reflect this.

    Outside England, as you can probably tell, my interest is in the Bundesliga.




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    (Original post by Midlander)
    The German model shows this to be nonsense.


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    How so? The 50 + 1 rule may mean that the club that set the club up must own a majority, but it doesn't prevent considerable investment: deitmar hopp at hoffenheim, Bayer at leverkusen, volkswagen at wolfsburg, Adidas at bayern Munich...

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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    How so? The 50 + 1 rule may mean that the club that set the club up must own a majority, but it doesn't prevent considerable investment: deitmar hopp at hoffenheim, Bayer at leverkusen, volkswagen at wolfsburg, Adidas at bayern Munich...

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    It shows that you don't need to take a club away from the fans to be profitable. Leverkusen and Wolfsburg have always been company subsidiaries but the fans still have the majority shareholding.

    Coventry would not be in Northampton if we had 50+1.


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    City v Coventry has been postponed
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    (Original post by IMBCFC)
    City v Coventry has been postponed
    It wouldn't have been if we were at the Ricoh.

    #backtothericohwewannagohome


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    (Original post by Midlander)
    It wouldn't have been if we were at the Ricoh.

    #backtothericohwewannagohome


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    (Original post by Midlander)
    It shows that you don't need to take a club away from the fans to be profitable. Leverkusen and Wolfsburg have always been company subsidiaries but the fans still have the majority shareholding.

    Coventry would not be in Northampton if we had 50+1.


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    Ignoring that Germany and UK are very different financially and in terms of fan attitude, what it shows is that either way, big investment is needed for clubs in the modern era. However your original point seemed to be that foreign owners are bad, which seems little more than xenophobia - for every Vincent Tan there's been a foreign owner like arsenals and a "local boy fone good" like mike Ashley - the nationality makes no difference. What makes forest a disgrace is not that the owner is foreign but that they ignore ffp, turn the place into a circus and don't look after the club

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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Ignoring that Germany and UK are very different financially and in terms of fan attitude, what it shows is that either way, big investment is needed for clubs in the modern era. However your original point seemed to be that foreign owners are bad, which seems little more than xenophobia - for every Vincent Tan there's been a foreign owner like arsenals and a "local boy fone good" like mike Ashley - the nationality makes no difference. What makes forest a disgrace is not that the owner is foreign but that they ignore ffp, turn the place into a circus and don't look after the club

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    Germany and the UK are the strongest economies in Europe and their fan bases are both traditionally working class. Sorry SLF, I just don't agree and calling me a xenophobe doesn't help your argument-Mike Ashley isn't the best example for you to pick either.

    The fact of the matter is that the present model allows an owner to do what he wants with no chance for the fans to do anything about it. I repeat-Coventry would not be in Northampton with the German model.


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    (Original post by CraigWM)
    But your location says you're from Lestaa, yet you support Leicester. Support your local team mate. Also, why are Leicester Football Club now a bakery and putting all the other Championship teams in a bun, to make a roll or sandwich? Come on mate, general physics suggests 23 football stadiums couldn't fit into a roll. :confused:
    Yoo bruv youre tryna act funny, and youre coming out with these dead jokes man go put em back in the coffin. "Lesta" is Leicester. Physics you say?? May I ask how many GCSEs you have my friend? The same number as where Watford are ehh? PLAY OFF BOTTLERS.
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    Thats the way we like it we like it like it...ohhhhhhhhooooo--ohhhhooooooooo-ohoohhhhooo........ Leicesterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr la la la la
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    (Original post by Akash16)
    Oh danny danny drinkwater
    I struggle to tolerate Leicester fans as it is, but you're on an entirely different level.
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    (Original post by Scott129)
    I struggle to tolerate Leicester fans as it is, but you're on an entirely different level.
    Awww ( Is it cause WE'RE TOP OF THE LEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!????
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    (Original post by Midlander)
    Germany and the UK are the strongest economies in Europe and their fan bases are both traditionally working class. Sorry SLF, I just don't agree and calling me a xenophobe doesn't help your argument-Mike Ashley isn't the best example for you to pick either.

    The fact of the matter is that the present model allows an owner to do what he wants with no chance for the fans to do anything about it. I repeat-Coventry would not be in Northampton with the German model.


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    I meant football economics - there's far more money in the premiership because of a greater global appeal. As for fan attitudes - it's not the class of the fans, the English fan is far more accepting of not being appreciated or respected by clubs - as an example: Leicester fans reacting to the idea of boycotting a £36 dead rubber match http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/to...tt-leeds-away/

    Against German fans response to being charged €25 for a high level derby:
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ticket.prices/

    As for calling you a xenophobe - the original post seemed like you were saying forest are a disgrace to football because they have foreign owners.

    Ashley seems a fair example - he's turned Newcastle into a laughing stock, but if you'd prefer replace him with Pete winkleman.


    Yes, but the German model is hardly this investment free, good old days model people bill it as. Either way there's a lot of money going in - all the German model adds is a bit of fan power



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    (Original post by Scott129)
    I struggle to tolerate Leicester fans as it is, but you're on an entirely different level.
    Oh? What happened to it being forest and derby, and us being all on our own, not cared about


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    My experience of German football (Hertha Berlin and VfB Stuttgart) when on visits there is very positive and if there is also a model of ownership that prevents people such as Vincent Tan and others who most fans would not consider to be suitable football club owners from being involved, then so much the better. In fact there have been so many bad football club owners or directors in both the Premier and Football Leagues that good ones would be easier to name.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    My experience of German football (Hertha Berlin and VfB Stuttgart) when on visits there is very positive and if there is also a model of ownership that prevents people such as Vincent Tan and others who most fans would not consider to be suitable football club owners from being involved, then so much the better. In fact there have been so many bad football club owners or directors in both the Premier and Football Leagues that good ones would be easier to name.
    In fairness we have a setup that should stop the likes of tan taking charge, it's just that the fit and proper test is not fit for purpose and roundly ignored. The German model is very good, but it's not this utopia where big money investors are unheard of like some people seem to bill it.


    Anyway, a Saturday without football just isn't right. Damn Preston and West Ham.


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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    In fairness we have a setup that should stop the likes of tan taking charge, it's just that the fit and proper test is not fit for purpose and roundly ignored. The German model is very good, but it's not this utopia where big money investors are unheard of like some people seem to bill it.


    Anyway, a Saturday without football just isn't right. Damn Preston and West Ham.


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    That test is farcical and does not prevent an initially well meaning investor from turning sour and wrecking the club.


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