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    (Original post by Hariex)
    Why do you believe that?
    The Qur'an.

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    (Original post by TheAnusFiles)
    Any sources for this? I find it hard to imagine that there are no talented arab writers who can't replicate a 1400 year old book. How was this test carried out


    Here are some of the linguistic uniquenesses I was talking about.
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    (Original post by ridwan12)
    The Qur'an.

    I meant evidence outside of your own faith. You can't prove that Allah is the one true God by offering the Qur'an, which is supposedly direct word from Allah. Can you see the circular argument?
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    (Original post by Hariex)
    I meant evidence outside of your own faith. You can't prove that Allah is the one true God by offering the Qur'an, which is supposedly direct word from Allah. Can you see the circular argument?
    If it was that easy then everybody would be muslim and thus what is the point of this life then. We might aswell be in heaven already.
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    Do you know, the muffin man?!
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    (Original post by ridwan12)
    If it was that easy then everybody would be muslim and thus what is the point of this life then. We might aswell be in heaven already.
    Well, that's checkmate then, isn't it?

    You can't provide evidence outside of your own faith because of the point you just mentioned.

    You can't provide evidence within the Qur'an because of circular arguments.

    Thus, you can't provide evidence for your faith.
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    (Original post by Hariex)
    Well, that's checkmate then, isn't it?

    You can't provide evidence outside of your own faith because of the point you just mentioned.

    You can't provide evidence within the Qur'an because of circular arguments.

    Thus, you can't provide evidence for your faith.
    Faith
    Definition: strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

    You may be wrong. You may be right. Leave it at that .

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    (Original post by arrow900)
    Faith
    Definition: strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

    You may be wrong. You may be right. Leave it at that .

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    If we define faith that way, every religion can be true. However, we know that this is not the case.

    Don't make the mistake of portraying the truth of Islam to be 50/50 right or wrong. People deal with truth in probabilities rather than dichotomy. For example, I would argue that Islam is most probably false - the chance of it being right is there, I just don't consider it to be large enough to be true.
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    (Original post by Hariex)
    If we define faith that way, every religion can be true. However, we know that this is not the case.

    Don't make the mistake of portraying the truth of Islam to be 50/50 right or wrong. People deal with truth in probabilities rather than dichotomy. For example, I would argue that Islam is most probably false - the chance of it being right is there, I just don't consider it to be large enough to be true.
    Probability
    Definition: the extent to which an event is likely to occur, measured by the ratio of the favorable cases to the whole number of cases possible.

    Number of possible cases : 2
    Number of cases in which Islam is true:1

    Hence there is a 50% chance of Islam being true.
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    Well done.
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    (Original post by arrow900)
    Probability
    Definition: the extent to which an event is likely to occur, measured by the ratio of the favorable cases to the whole number of cases possible.

    Number of possible cases : 2
    Number of cases in which Islam is true:1

    Hence there is a 50% chance of Islam being true.
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    Contention: There is a celestial teapot orbiting the sun.

    Number of cases: 2
    Number of cases in which contention is true: 1

    I have a 50% chance of being right.

    However, if I provided a comprehensive portfolio of why there is a celestial teapot orbiting the sun, complete with pictures, video clips, telescope images, peer-reviewed scientific journals, background science, etc, it would be premature to suggest that there was still a 50/50 chance.

    You are correct in assuming that, when I go up to space, the teapot will either be there or it won't. However, this does not mean that I can not have confidence in the contention.
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    (Original post by Hariex)
    Well, that's checkmate then, isn't it?

    You can't provide evidence outside of your own faith because of the point you just mentioned.

    You can't provide evidence within the Qur'an because of circular arguments.

    Thus, you can't provide evidence for your faith.
    Which I have been saying all along........... but does that mean it is incorrect.
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    (Original post by Hariex)
    Contention: There is a celestial teapot orbiting the sun.

    Number of cases: 2
    Number of cases in which contention is true: 1

    I have a 50% chance of being right.

    However, if I provided a comprehensive portfolio of why there is a celestial teapot orbiting the sun, complete with pictures, video clips, telescope images, peer-reviewed scientific journals, background science, etc, it would be premature to suggest that there was still a 50/50 chance.

    You are correct in assuming that, when I go up to space, the teapot will either be there or it won't. However, this does not mean that I can not have confidence in the contention.
    But that could easily be disproved...........
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    (Original post by ridwan12)
    Which I have been saying all along........... but does that mean it is incorrect.
    No, it doesn't prove that it is incorrect.

    However, the burden of proof is on you. Until you can prove that Allah is the one true God, I have no reason to believe you.

    Most atheists demonstrate this point by using Russell's Teapot. Whilst someone might claim that there is a celestial teapot orbiting the earth, we have no reason to believe them unless they provide evidence.
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    (Original post by Hariex)
    Contention: There is a celestial teapot orbiting the sun.

    Number of cases: 2
    Number of cases in which contention is true: 1

    I have a 50% chance of being right.

    However, if I provided a comprehensive portfolio of why there is a celestial teapot orbiting the sun, complete with pictures, video clips, telescope images, peer-reviewed scientific journals, background science, etc, it would be premature to suggest that there was still a 50/50 chance.

    You are correct in assuming that, when I go up to space, the teapot will either be there or it won't. However, this does not mean that I can not have confidence in the contention.
    That would be very clever, except no one can and will provide scientific evidence for or against Islam. Simply because it relies on faith. Rather than scientific evidence. If you can please provide the "comprehensive portfolio" against the existence of Allah, then please do so. Otherwise there is nothing left to discuss.

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    You are silly for rejecting the truth and it seems that you are proud of it. Mashallah brother, well done, well done.

    May allah guide you to the correct path.

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    (Original post by ridwan12)
    But that could easily be disproved...........
    Bearing in mind that my proving of the teapot is hypothetical, on what basis would you disregard the evidence that I provided?
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    (Original post by Hariex)
    Bearing in mind that my proving of the teapot is hypothetical, on what basis would you disregard the evidence that I provided?
    Who cares about some stupid teapot? You are the fool here.

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    (Original post by arrow900)
    That would be very clever, except no one can and will provide scientific evidence for or against Islam. Simply because it relies on faith. Rather than scientific evidence. If you can please provide the "comprehensive portfolio" against the existence of Allah, then please do so. Otherwise there is nothing left to discuss.
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    Nay, the burden of proof is on you.

    Remember that Islam is essentially a positive statement. This means that it posits several declarations - "God exists" is a positive statement, whereas "God does not exist" is a negative statement.

    Thus, it is these positive statements that must be proved. Do not consider negative statements as something that must be proved, for in some cases they are the default position in the absence of evidence. To reiterate: I do not believe that Allah is the one true God because I have no evidence to believe so.

    Similarly, you do not believe that there is a three-legged clown on Jupiter playing bagpipes. Why? Because you have no reason to assume so.

    So, if you provide me evidence for why you believe that Allah is the one true God, I will examine it and give my opinion.
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    (Original post by Straw-man666)
    Who cares about some stupid teapot? You are the fool here.

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    Out of context, yes, my post was foolish.

    It might make more sense if you read the preceding posts.
 
 
 
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