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    (Original post by So Instinct)
    He means nice copy and paste, specifically from a source that was dated to 1989.. Where in the original source you find the writer is actually still doing high school level maths papers, i.e. still a young student.All that list does is reassure me we've made great progress since 1989. As for the people speaking of the 18th century witch hunts, if you dig into it a little you find that the motives weren't in fact specifically anti woman, in the UK & US the majority were women however in western Europe it was predominantly men and for eastern it was 50/50. Also, the official name they used to catalogue witch deaths were "death by ****** and fire".
    I give that the essay was written in 1988... The writer was a college professor when it was published.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Racism will never be eradicated because white supremacy will continue to exist until the end of time
    Nonsense. It'll soon be usurped by Sino/oriental supremacy
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Nonsense. It'll soon be usurped by Sino/oriental supremacy
    China+US+EU will join together and conquer all other men.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Nonsense. It'll soon be usurped by Sino/oriental supremacy
    Nah,the white man will always rule
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Nonsense. It'll soon be usurped by Sino/oriental supremacy
    what, so that'll just happen then? how?

    Western countries have too much power and too much pride.

    (Original post by jedanselemyia)
    I give that the essay was written in 1988... The writer was a college professor when it was published.
    Quick heads up, thanks for making this post. It was needed.

    the delusion...
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    (Original post by Guills on wheels)
    what, so that'll just happen then? how?
    They have higher IQs, stronger work ethics and central organisation, more deferential/orderly Eastern culture (instead of this individualist crap that inspires antisocial and greedy/wasteful behaviour in the context of the modern global capitalist consumer model), more diverse and impressive resources/regional power and influence, and some kind of anti-Western (inferiority) complex to give them extra motivation to **** on TROTW :woo:

    Western countries have too much power and too much pride
    Western countries are now in the twighlights of their economic lives, with dwindling comparative advantage (only really remnant in the service sector) and only relatively small technology based productivity gains. Europe is entering recession and the UK is only being kept afloat largely by a spike in consumption and immigration - including human/financial capital flooding out of Europe. We cannot continue to surge ahead at anything like the historic pace, never mind the pace of the emerging markets. The East is gaining on us, fast :ninja:
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    They have higher IQs, stronger work ethics and central organisation, more deferential/orderly Eastern culture (instead of this individualist crap that inspires antisocial and greedy/wasteful behaviour in the context of the modern global capitalist consumer model), more diverse and impressive resources/regional power and influence, and some kind of anti-Western (inferiority) complex to give them extra motivation to **** on TROTW :woo:

    Western countries are now in the twighlights of their economic lives, with dwindling comparative advantage (only really remnant in the service sector) and only relatively small technology based productivity gains. Europe is entering recession and the UK is only being kept afloat largely by a spike in consumption and immigration - including human/financial capital flooding out of Europe. We cannot continue to surge ahead at anything like the historic pace, never mind the pace of the emerging markets. The East is gaining on us, fast :ninja:
    I know those GDP figures don't lie. I accept that. And, from an economic perspective the east will be where the **** is at. Having said that, on a cultural basis, I feel that the west has no problem to fear. In terms of the art canon, it is so western-orientated and western-centric that the east is centuries behind; and has always been so ever since we tried to colonise china and classify its art, along with a whole load from the african continent, as either primitive or exotic. No seminal art historical tome is written by anyone other than a privileged white westerner.

    The same goes for fashion, literature and film. I had the privilege of attending the china asian film festival (I think that was the name) a few years ago and the quality of the cinema was excellent, as one could expect, but it received no media coverage. It wouldn't have ever, unless it had a political theme. I agree with everything you say, but on a cultural basis, it's different.

    Besides, regarding the original statement about the eradication of racism; western people and those of far eastern descent would never be in contention with each other; masses of trade agreements between countries and careful diplomatic exercises have ensured that. In terms of discrimination against people of non-white and non-western/far-eastern origin, this will continue to be so.
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    White privilege = Tories & Republicans, no?

    If white privilege didn't exist then how come in America, if a white and black man commit the same crime, the black man gets a heavier sentence than the white man? White people have gotten lesser sentences for worse crimes than black people have had heavier sentences for.

    Also, government's are another reflection of this point - in Westminster these days you pretty much have had to have gone to a top private school. Taking women out of the equation for a moment, white men still dominate. And that sure as hell doesn't reflect the population.

    Speaking as an ethnic minority myself, it's a funny thing to explain because you can only really see it when you are in the position of being the minority in the given situation. I've not read most of the comments, so I speak from my personal life when I say that I do think many white people (that I know) are ignorant on this point as they've not had to - or more to the point been able to - experience what we have. To them it doesn't seen logical/plausible. They can't physically understand it. & some just don't want to hear the truth.
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    White privileges don't exist now. But" the rich privileges " do... forever. 😃

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    Being White is a privilege


    Being White you cannot be a victim

    Genocide against your race is anti-racist


    White people are all slave owning, genocidal oppressors!

    All White people are rich, drive BMW's and live in giant Mansions while everyone else is poor.

    Discrimination against White's is called positive.

    White people are made a global minority and robbed of their right to self determination.

    Some privilege.


    What are White's guilty that other people aren't?

    Are you going to blame White people for the Rwandan genocide? The Armenian genocide? Are you going to blame White people for slavery really? Look up the history of slave. You wouldn't attack Arabs or Jews for their part in slavery. That is another thing if privilege is associated with money. Why are Jews not privileged? Oh right this Holocaust hmm...

    What if it's a privilege that you can get away with everything because you're the wealthiest most powerful people in the world? Look at Israel.
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    (Original post by Guills on wheels)
    Quick heads up, thanks for making this post. It was needed.the delusion...
    You're welcome!
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    (Original post by Retired_Messiah)
    But guess what ?

    He would not swap places with me (A black man)

    Poor white people don't prove anything about white people as a group. The same way Bill Gates does not prove all white are rich. Smoking causes cancer. But not everyone who smokes get's cancer. But just coz you can find some smokers who have not got cancer, does not prove that smoking does not cause cancer.

    Look - The best way to see this guys white privilege is to compare himself with a black homeless person and trust me in that competition, you better believe white privilege exists.

    1) People would be more likely to give him change than they would a black person.
    2) Hostels and shelters would be less likely to turn him away than that would a black person.
    3) The police would be a lot harsher on a homless black person than of him
    4) People just would be less hostile, more understanding of him than they would do a black person.

    Not to romantize his struggles of course, racism goes beyond the wallet, b-coz if he was to clean himself up, white privilege would kick in, where as a black man could be a millionaire and still get racism. White privilege is not uniform and consistent in every situation. Consequently, it will always be possible to find individual exceptions to the general rule.

    I wouldn’t presume to speak for others but for myself I would suggest that “white folks”, at minimum, owe to themselves and others a frank recognition that they inhabit a socially constructed identity that insulates them and limits their perspective as well as their ability to comprehend the larger social reality in which they exist.

    If they could accomplish just this much, we might begin to have a real conversation about the realities of the skin game as practiced on this planet.

    This would require that “white” folks actually give weight to the perspectives and experiences of so-called “non-Whites”. In short, they would have to give up the presumption of the superiority of their own views and come to grips with realities outside their subjective experience, rather than wasting time and energy coming up with excuses for not doing so.
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    (Original post by Guills on wheels)
    No seminal art historical tome is written by anyone other than a privileged white westerner
    Do not disagree with you, re: art/high culture to date, but they're making inroads there too e.g. sculpture, modern art, performing art: elite classical music, etc

    it received no media coverage. It wouldn't have ever, unless it had a political theme
    You'll see this kind of thing change as China seeks to move its state-capitalist model away from heavily export centric primary/secondary production towards a more balanced/wholistic modern one that encourages, and capitalises on, growth in domestic demand e.g. encouraging the growth of a middle class and related diversification of industries, including tertiary sector activity in arts and entertainment; this is not least because the leadership would like to see an Eastern/Chinese/socialist style emerge, to rival the lures of Western offerings and mitigate against so many of its brightest/most creative minds from venturing elsewhere

    western people and those of far eastern descent would never be in contention with each other
    Militarily, directly, one would hope not but China has fought the West/US in proxy wars (Korean/Vietnam Wars), and both committed human rights violations, and violations of sovereignty, within its immediate region and extended its influences outside its immediate region such that opportunities for 'entanglement' are increased. It has also vastly expanded military expenditure and the 'tiger' analogy is apt in terms of the grumpy/easily riled nature of its military leadership, who most certainly have ‘teeth’

    You only have to see how they conducted themselves in the China seas e.g. the Johnson South Reef Skirmish etc, to see how territory/resource hungry they are and the violent lengths they are prepared to go to in order to satisfy this. It also has a political leadership that are very wary/intolerant of internal dissent (Tiananmen Square) and ever keen to send a strong message to TROTW not to medal in their internal affairs e.g. if they have to put down any hint of internal uprising (thank God the Hong Kong protests were handled relatively lightly, last year)

    In terms of discrimination against people of non-white and non-western/far-eastern origin, this will continue to be so
    In a few generations time white people will be in the minority in this country and folks will mostly be mixed race methinks so I can see it disappearing here (eventually – related unspoken/subconscious 'norms' will take a while to shake, even in the psyche of non-whites), if not necessarily in other primarily ‘white’ nations

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    Taking women out of the equation for a moment, white men still dominate. And that sure as hell doesn't reflect the population
    I would rather a well educated, capable, black woman, who happens to be affluent/privately educated, represented me in parliament than a less well educated and capable white man, who happens to be from a more disadvantaged background. If gender/race genuinely doesn't matter, and we're all equal, then why do people whine about this stuff and encourage positive discrimination? :rolleyes:

    (Original post by CaucasianRìghts)
    Being White is a privilege
    Of course you have a point in the things that you say but we remain privileged, within our society, if not always particularly well served by our political representatives, the authorities, and 'justice', in some (narrow) senses

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    Jews are allowed to deny this crime, while we are forced to believe millions of them were gassed in gas chambers.. come on
    Two wrongs, 'n' all that :erm:

    (Original post by TuffJuice)
    Multiculturalism was designed as a tactic of genocide by breeding out White's
    Multiculturalism was encouraged/allowed in a myopic/negligent attempt to make up for policy/market failures, and perhaps also out of some misplaced sense of ex-colonial/post-war affinity/guilt and a rosy (ideologue) view of melting pot humanitarianism, wonder and cohesion

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    1) People would be more likely to give him change than they would a black person.
    2) Hostels and shelters would be less likely to turn him away than that would a black person.
    3) The police would be a lot harsher on a homless black person than of him
    4) People just would be less hostile, more understanding of him than they would do a black person
    All good points

    “white folks” .. inhabit a socially constructed identity that insulates them and limits their perspective as well as their ability to comprehend the larger social reality in which they exist
    I'm not sure I follow, how does our identity limit our perspective? Surely it does the opposite as our identity is one of accountability, guilt and related introspection concerning that larger social reality. We don't generally live in a bubble, unless you are talking about the Chelsea/home county elites
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    I would rather a well educated, capable, black woman, who happens to be affluent/privately educated, represented me in parliament than a less well educated and capable white man, who happens to be from a more disadvantaged background. If gender/race genuinely doesn't matter, and we're all equal, then why do people whine about this stuff and encourage positive discrimination?
    First of all, I agree with that. But I only said disregard women for a moment for the purpose of the example that I was mentioning, as many of the smarty pants on here like to nitpick little details, so I thought I'd make it clear that my example was about men only. It's not because I think we're all equal, because we're far from. & in my example, using ethnics and females would only introduce more variables for a less solid argument. 'Tis all.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Do not disagree with you, re: art/high culture to date, but they're making inroads there too e.g. sculpture, modern art, performing art: elite classical music, etc

    You'll see this kind of thing change as China seeks to move its state-capitalist model away from heavily export centric primary/secondary production towards a more balanced/wholistic modern one that encourages, and capitalises on, growth in domestic demand e.g. encouraging the growth of a middle class and related diversification of industries, including tertiary sector activity in arts and entertainment; this is not least because the leadership would like to see an Eastern/Chinese/socialist style emerge, to rival the lures of Western offerings and mitigate against so many of its brightest/most creative minds from venturing elsewhere

    Militarily, directly, one would hope not but China has fought the West/US in proxy wars (Korean/Vietnam Wars), and both committed human rights violations, and violations of sovereignty, within its immediate region and extended its influences outside its immediate region such that opportunities for 'entanglement' are increased. It has also vastly expanded military expenditure and the 'tiger' analogy is apt in terms of the grumpy/easily riled nature of its military leadership, who most certainly have ‘teeth’

    You only have to see how they conducted themselves in the China seas e.g. the Johnson South Reef Skirmish etc, to see how territory/resource hungry they are and the violent lengths they are prepared to go to in order to satisfy this. It also has a political leadership that are very wary/intolerant of internal dissent (Tiananmen Square) and ever keen to send a strong message to TROTW not to medal in their internal affairs e.g. if they have to put down any hint of internal uprising (thank God the Hong Kong protests were handled relatively lightly, last year)

    In a few generations time white people will be in the minority in this country and folks will mostly be mixed race methinks so I can see it disappearing here (eventually – related unspoken/subconscious 'norms' will take a while to shake, even in the psyche of non-whites), if not necessarily in other primarily ‘white’ nations

    I would rather a well educated, capable, black woman, who happens to be affluent/privately educated, represented me in parliament than a less well educated and capable white man, who happens to be from a more disadvantaged background. If gender/race genuinely doesn't matter, and we're all equal, then why do people whine about this stuff and encourage positive discrimination? :rolleyes:

    Of course you have a point in the things that you say but we remain privileged, within our society, if not always particularly well served by our political representatives, the authorities, and 'justice', in some (narrow) senses

    Two wrongs, 'n' all that :erm:

    Multiculturalism was encouraged/allowed in a myopic/negligent attempt to make up for policy/market failures, and perhaps also out of some misplaced sense of ex-colonial/post-war affinity/guilt and a rosy (ideologue) view of melting pot humanitarianism, wonder and cohesion

    All good points

    I'm not sure I follow, how does our identity limit our perspective? Surely it does the opposite as our identity is one of accountability, guilt and related introspection concerning that larger social reality. We don't generally live in a bubble, unless you are talking about the Chelsea/home county elites
    What you've described there sounds awfully familiar to the attitude in America in the 1950s; and they came up with abstract expressionism. They had the advantage of speaking the same language so those in the english-speaking european art world could have a kind of unity with them. Besides, America doesn't have the kind of history and respect in terms of just art as Europe, and the same can be said for what is considered to be beautiful in terms of music.

    Militarily, I won't even bother. We're all ****ed. Thank god for diplomacy.

    In a few generations time white people will be in the minority in this country and folks will mostly be mixed race methinks so I can see it disappearing here (eventually – related unspoken/subconscious 'norms' will take a while to shake, even in the psyche of non-whites), if not necessarily in other primarily ‘white’ nations

    this is all just tabloid hype. It won't ****ing happen, and it's bull****. We've got a tory government, ffs. I can't believe you genuinely think that.

    If gender/race genuinely doesn't matter, and we're all equal, then why do people whine about this stuff and encourage positive discrimination? - because of both the historical oppression against women and people of colour, and also because in the real world, we're still not all equal. Open your eyes.

    I'm not sure I follow, how does our identity limit our perspective? Surely it does the opposite as our identity is one of accountability, guilt and related introspection concerning that larger social reality. We don't generally live in a bubble, unless you are talking about the Chelsea/home county elites - if you read this thread through you'll understand what they're saying. We live in a massive bubble and we have no idea about the sorts of oppression that has happened the the discrimination that is happening.
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    I think it's more rich privilege than white privilege
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    (Original post by iEssArrAy)
    thought I'd make it clear that my example was about men only
    Aye, but you seemed to be coming at it from an 'I know what it's like to not be privileged/well represented' angle, and I gather you are a female from an ethnic minority, so I thought I'd make a broader point, to illustrate why I feel that people like yourself are kinda missing the point

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    It's not because I think we're all equal, because we're far from
    Not sure what you mean by this :erm:

    (Original post by Guills on wheels)
    What you've described there sounds awfully familiar to the attitude in America in the 1950s; and they came up with abstract expressionism. They had the advantage of speaking the same language so those in the english-speaking european art world could have a kind of unity with them. Besides, America doesn't have the kind of history and respect in terms of just art as Europe, and the same can be said for what is considered to be beautiful in terms of music
    I'm not saying they will catch up any time soon, nor ever surpass us necessarily, but they are narrowing the gap even within this domain - traditionally held as the preserve of European cultural elites

    this is all just tabloid hype. It won't ****ing happen, and it's bull****. We've got a tory government, ffs. I can't believe you genuinely think that
    The proportion of whites in the UK fell by around 5 percentage points over the past decade and non white-British cohort already represents 20% in the UK. Some academic models have this cohort rising to 35% within a generation (25+ years), which would seem a modest estimation given the general trends noted

    the historical oppression against women and people of colour
    Sorry, but what has that got to do with the politics of today, when the wind has so patently changed in that regard? Would you rather put an equality obsessive member of an historically 'opporessed' group (with a chip on their shoulder, like Ms. Abbott), who will do little to unite the country and even less to see it governed efficiently/effectively, or put someone decent in charge? It's about having a responsible and mature attitude to governance

    in the real world, we're still not all equal. Open your eyes
    I suggest you open yours (and read my OP in this thread) if you seriously think I conceive of us being all equal in practice, in society

    We live in a massive bubble and we have no idea about the sorts of oppression that has happened
    No most of us don't, and yes we do; we are constantly surrounded by it/reminded of it, to the extent that actually if you, like me, are e.g. a blonde haired, blue eyed, tall/lean, white, well (privately) educated, well spoken, reasonably affluent, male, you are made to feel like some sort of pariah who should hang his head in shame for being associated with privilege and oppression :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by jedanselemyia)
    You're very right. This is an other reason as to why white rappers like Eminem and Macklemore have more success than their PoC counterparts in the US, for example
    You're telling me Eminem enjoys more success than 2pac?
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    (Original post by Exon)
    You're telling me Eminem enjoys more success than 2pac?
    No, I was talking about current artists.
    Anyway, 2Pac is 2Pac, he's a legend, you can't beat that
 
 
 

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